Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #8

[CJPRINCESS]

I wonder if his Mother, MB showed up to support him, or has she turned on him too like her brother, the Vet. RB ? If she is a witness, then she has to stay away from court, until she testifies, but if she never testifies ( and I think she might, because the trailer was in her driveway ), then we know that she has more or less disowned her only child, and serial killer son. I could not blame her if that is the case. It will be very hard for her, and her family socially now in the area where they are now living. I imagine she is not welcome in many social circles anymore, and that she has few friends, if any, left. She may not want to lose her brother too. IMO

So being DM's mother, can the Crown/LE actually subpoena her? After all she wasn't even in town when DM parked the trailer in her driveway.

I'm asking because the case I was subpoenaed to, the guys mother had incriminating words to add but the Crown/LE couldn't subpoena her. They told me that she'd have to come forward on her own. The 2 brothers also had some information but again, they didn't get subpoenaed either. Even with me telling the LE the one brother COULD help their case better then I could.

Spouses have some clause where they don't have to testify against their spouse, is this the same with parents and siblings? I'm not really understanding how this works?

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Swedie, I was wondering about video for the 8th as well. Maybe this is where MS and MM comes into play and we'll hear more when MM is up?

I do believe there is much more evidenc to be presented and more from the forensic experts. We hear about things (3 other gloves, hoses, computers, phones, other thing found in CN'S ROOM, gun pics etc) but nothing gets followed through in full. IMO, we have been given only crumbs and the loaf isn't completed yet. I think the Crown is presenting evidence as the involved party takes the stand.

 

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by Inspector_North

Could this be a trip to get a power washer? We know that DM expected the washer to be at the hanger and not in SS's van.

DM wasn't asking about the power washer until early morning on Wednesday. If he had not yet powerwashed the vehiclel, then AJ and SS could potentially have been around when the thing was hosed down?

From Adam Carter's Live Blog:

12:31 PM
On May 8 at 5:42 a.m., Millard texts Schlatman "Do you have the power washer?"

Just thinking about this power washer thing a little more.... remember that SH testified that when he saw the truck (TB's truck) on the tarp inside the hangar on May 8th?

(from Adam Carter's Live Blog):

Hussey says he met with Millard at the hangar on May 8. Schlatman and his father in law were also there working.
2:35 PM

"It was sitting on a tarp. There was carpet on the tarp, pulled out of the vehicle."
2:37 PM

If DM was asking SS for the powerwasher in the early morning of May 8th, and considering that the carpet was STILL sitting beside the truck, on the tarp, inside the hangar by the time SH saw it a little later in the morning/noonish? also on May 8th... does this not indicate that either the truck had still not yet been hosed off, or else that it had JUST been done prior to SH seeing it, and presumably AFTER SS and AJ showed up to the hangar on the 8th with the powerwasher? Really wondering now if SS/AJ may have potentially been involved in cleanup as well?

 

[flipflop]

This is when court transcripts would come in handy. Which one is correct; DM got the truck in Kitchener or DM bought the truck in Kitchener? OK, we know DM didn't get or buy the truck in Kitchener, but you know what I mean. See my first sentence. SS will likely say DM got the truck in Kitchener if asked, because if he's smart enough to figure it out, there was no bill of sale and ownership that exchanged hands. Then again, SS will just play dumb and say he can't recall.

What is totally laughable to me is, according to SS, DM told him he drove the Dodge truck from Kitchener to the hangar sitting on a pail...again that's according to SS's testimony. What did DM tell his interrogator(s), if anything how the truck arrived at the hangar? AND IF that was true he drove TB's Dodge sitting on a pail, how did it come about DM found this Dodge truck? Did he find it on Kijiji or Autotrader also? Did he contact the seller on line or by cellphone? If that was the case, (which we know it's not ), where is the evidence which should have been found on his computer and cellphone? Another thing...did this "seller" not tell DM it had no seats? Like seriously, DM had a full size trailer and his red Dodge he could have used to go pick up this truck knowing it had no seats, instead of taking the risk of driving without seats. Then again, we all know DM was a risk taker. :dervish: This is why it's so laughable, there's a lot of common sense behind all of this and I hope the Crown has been taking notes and asks questions to catch SS in his lies. WHY?? WHY would SS lie for DM? He's risking charges of perjury and there's no hope in H3LL if he thinks he's helping DM. It's only making him look really bad. SS isn't even good at raising reasonable doubt for the jurors. All that's coming out of him is that he is not trustworthy and is being dishonest in a court of law. These witnesses have a lot to lose by not being honest. ALL MOO.

The jury has heard that Millard told Schlatman he got the truck in Kitchener.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...and-worker-nicknamed-the-eliminator-the-bbq-/

Millard told him he bought the vehicle in Kitchener and wanted it painted.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/texts-show-millard-worried-about-having-bosmas-truck

SS said DM drove the truck to the hanger by sitting on a pail as there were no seats.

However FIL has a pic of the truck and it has seats.

Does SS really think that people believe his testimony?????

You're busted SS, telling a lie on the stand means that the karma bus is going to hit you hard....or has it already?!?

 

[Inspector_North]

Just thinking about this power washer thing a little more.... remember that SH testified that when he saw the truck (TB's truck) on the tarp inside the hangar on May 8th?

(from Adam Carter's Live Blog):



If DM was asking SS for the powerwasher in the early morning of May 8th, and considering that the carpet was STILL sitting beside the truck, on the tarp, inside the hangar by the time SH saw it a little later in the morning/noonish? also on May 8th... does this not indicate that either the truck had still not yet been hosed off, or else that it had JUST been done prior to SH seeing it, and presumably AFTER SS and AJ showed up to the hangar on the 8th with the powerwasher? Really wondering now if SS/AJ may have potentially been involved in cleanup as well?

I just went back to AJ's timeline.

He was off on the 7th
He went in on the 8th and the truck was on the tarp
He went back in on the 9th (Thurs) and took the pictures

"On Thursday, the truck was still there. Not seeing anyone around, Jennings took photos on his phone of the truck and vehicle information number, which is distinct for every vehicle." -NP


He met with SS and his wife after work on the 9th (What time?)
DM moves the truck to his mother's that evening
AJ goes back in on the 10th, truck is gone and DM's tells him to pack up.

So we don't know what the condition of the truck was on the morning of the 8th when AJ and SS turned up for work. The picture was taken a full 24 hrs. after that.

Can anyone tell if SS had already stripped the truck from the picture? He would of had to strip it after AJ was took pictures andend of work day on the 9th if this picture is before stripping. According to AJ, he met with SS after work on the 9th about the truck being TB's.


Was the truck still dripping from a wash on the morning of the 8th?

 

[Inspector_North]

SS said DM drove the truck to the hanger by sitting on a pail as there were no seats.

However FIL has a pic of the truck and it has seats.

Does SS really think that people believe his testimony?????

You're busted SS, telling a lie on the stand means that the karma bus is going to hit you hard....or has it already?!?

According to AJ's testimony, the seats were already removed on the morning of the 8th. It was the first time AJ saw the truck in the hanger on the tarp.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...red-belonged-to-missing-tim-bosma-trial-hears

 

[flipflop]

I think so. Police video analyst Plaxton seems to be the one who analysed all the videos. I think if there were more, he would have been the person to present them also. It seems apparent the two cameras that were at the hangar, were deliberately angled as to not capture any damaging video. Actually, the interior one is damaging evidence IMO because it shows DM with his man purse, MS and Pedo at the hangar in early hours of May 7, 2013. Plaxton said he could not determine who the two men were, but it's pretty obvious who they are IMO. I think he has left "the obvious" up to the jurors to determine who they are. That saved the Crown's witness unnecessary explaining when it came to cross examining Officer Plaxton kwim. ALL MOO.

Example: During cross-examination, Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay took issue with two video clips Plaxton had presented from the night of May 6, 2013, captured by a surveillance camera at SuperSuckers Hydro Vac, a business down the road from Bosma on Trinity Road.

The first clip Plaxton presented showed a dark-coloured SUV with no hub caps (consistent with Millard's Yukon, Plaxton said) driving south down Trinity Road at 8:46 p.m.

The second showed a truck (consistent with Bosma's) heading the other way down the road at 9:20 p.m. — followed by an SUV that again appears consistent with the Yukon.

Pillay pulled his own clips from that camera, suggesting there were other vehicles captured on the camera that evening that could have been Bosma's truck. Plaxton agreed others could not be ruled out.

The majority of the footage was of the area around the hangar — captured by five cameras at GA Masonry and two at the hangar itself (one inside, one outside).

http://m.kitchenerpost.ca/news-stor...-s-caught-on-video-at-dellen-millard-s-hangar

Others have been re-called to the stand, so I am wondering if Plaxton will return in and around the time that CN takes the stand. I feel there is more to come with the DVR. JMO.

 

[flipflop]

According to AJ's testimony, the seats were already removed on the morning of the 8th. It was the first time AJ saw the truck in the hanger on the tarp.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...red-belonged-to-missing-tim-bosma-trial-hears

Yes I recall what he said, but looking at the pic above (truck on the green tarp) we can see the seats in the pic. This pic was taken by AJ. I am confused?!?!

 

[Inspector_North]

looking at the pic above (truck on the green tarp) we can see the seats in the pic. This pic was taken by AJ. I am confused?!?!

Yes! And it was taken on the 9th.

I can't confirm your observation of the front seats, but if true, it changes many things.

I posted the picture along with NP caption, because it said 'photos'. I only know of two, this one and one of the VIN. Are there more? Maybe one of the inside as both front doors were open.

 

[deugirtni]

SS said DM drove the truck to the hanger by sitting on a pail as there were no seats.

However FIL has a pic of the truck and it has seats.

Does SS really think that people believe his testimony?????

You're busted SS, telling a lie on the stand means that the karma bus is going to hit you hard....or has it already?!?

AJ, SS, and SH all testified that the seats were gone when they saw the truck, all saw the truck on May 8th. Pic taken on May 9th by AJ, I think it may appear that the front seats are in the truck, but I think it may be reflections off of the windshield and things from perhaps the background that we're seeing there.

 

[flipflop]

I just went back to AJ's timeline.

He was off on the 7th
He went in on the 8th and the truck was on the tarp
He went back in on the 9th (Thurs) and took the pictures

"On Thursday, the truck was still there. Not seeing anyone around, Jennings took photos on his phone of the truck and vehicle information number, which is distinct for every vehicle." -NP


He met with SS and his wife after work on the 9th (What time?)
DM moves the truck to his mother's that evening
AJ goes back in on the 10th, truck is gone and DM's tells him to pack up.

So we don't know what the condition of the truck was on the morning of the 8th when AJ and SS turned up for work. The picture was taken a full 24 hrs. after that.

Can anyone tell if SS had already stripped the truck from the picture? He would of had to strip it after AJ was let go if this picture is before stripping. Unless AJ witnessed SS stripping it on the 9th before DM relocated it. According to AJ, he met with SS after work on the 9th about the truck being TB's.


Was the truck still dripping from a wash on the morning of the 8th?

This pic of the truck taken on the green tarp, taken by AJ. It clearly has front seats in this pic. However, AJ said that the seats were removed. Pics do not lie. We have also seen pics of the burnt seat, it is taken of the whole front seat assembly (the seat that your bottom sits on and it is attached to the backrest of the seat) The burnt wire frame is whole in the evidence pics.

So anyone care to explain this to me, am I confused about something, or is someone telling yet another lie on the stand. Something isn't right????

Did AJ see the truck, take the pic, then the next day see the seats removed?

 

[Inspector_North]

This pic of the truck taken on the green tarp, it is the only one we have seen, taken by AJ. It clearly has front seats in this pic. However, AJ said that the seats were removed. Pics do not lie. We have also seen pics of the burnt seat, it is taken of the whole front seat assembly (the seat that your bottom sits on and it is attached to the backrest of the seat) The burnt wire frame is whole in the evidence pics. So anyone care to explain this to me, am I confused about something, or is someone telling yet another lie on the stand.

Did AJ see the truck, take the pic, then the next day see the seats removed?

I find that all the photos and videos in this case are like UFO evidence. "Hey look, a UFO! Grab the worst camera we own and take the picture from the worst angle possible." :deepbreaths:

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Yes I recall what he said, but looking at the pic above (truck on the green tarp) we can see the seats in the pic. This pic was taken by AJ. I am confused?!?!

I don't think thats the seats <modsnip>. To me it looks like something sitting on the dash. Ram seats are not square like that.

 

[deugirtni]

I just noticed this testimony. If the DVR was removed by DM and then given to CN, doesn't that indicate that those 2 individuals are really the only 2 that knew where the DVR had gone? Therefore, doesn't that indicate that it may have been CN who came clean almost a year after the murder? The detective was specifically looking for a DVR at CN's house.

from A Carter's Live Blog:

3:33 PM
The next witness is Det. Const. Mark Wilson from Hamilton police.
3:33 PM
He assisted with a search in connection with the Bosma case.
3:34 PM
Crown Tony Leitch is asking about April 10, 2014, when a search warrant execution happened in Etobicoke.
3:35 PM
He was looking for a DVR recorder on Rufford Road.

 

[flipflop]

I don't think thats the seats <modsnip>. To me it looks like something sitting on the dash. Ram seats are not square like that.

<modsnip> to me it does look like seats, even more so when I blow the pic up.

 

[jash]

SS, CN, MM....who else will take the stand??? AM? MB?

I think all the names specifically referenced in the phone exhibit will testify. So I'd add Spafford, Wishbone and Scott to your list.

 

[deugirtni]

<modsnip> to me it does look like seats, even more so when I blow the pic up.

I think we are seeing reflections from the windshield. Here is a promo pic of what the front seats looked like in a 2007 Ram. Although the top is cut off, the headrest is not as wide as the seat back; in AJ's pic, it looks wide like the seat back, but it would be too high, and should be where the headrest might be, imo. If you notice other things in the pic, you can see that many of the things seen are just reflections from what is in front of the truck, inside the hangar. I also believe that LE would have thoroughly examined AJ's cellphone pics, and if they had seen seats intact, there would have been testimony to that effect?:

 

[MsSherlock]

I think all the names specifically referenced in the phone exhibit will testify. So I'd add Spafford, Wishbone and Scott to your list.

I would doubt JS will testify. AFAIK, she "conveniently" moved to Bermuda in late summer of 2013 and has been there ever since. LE would have to be able to serve her with a subpoena. It was once believed that JS, the ex fiancé was DM's tenant/occupant at the Woodbridge Condo. The cell tower pings would support that theory and shortly after her departure, MB sold the condo. IMO, LE knew that they had their hands full with a select bunch of DM supporters who all had very poor memories and JS is no different. MOO

 

[earlygirl]

I just noticed this testimony. If the DVR was removed by DM and then given to CN, doesn't that indicate that those 2 individuals are really the only 2 that knew where the DVR had gone? Therefore, doesn't that indicate that it may have been CN who came clean almost a year after the murder? The detective was specifically looking for a DVR at CN's house.

from A Carter's Live Blog:

It certainly can be assumed that CN talked when she was finally arrested. The search warrant was 'specific' for the DVR. I think they 'knew' exactly where to find it. I think the defense successfully argued that the letters were seized outside the warrant and therefore are not going to be admissible evidence... The officer who testified about this seizure was blocked from mentioning the letters, followed by a long stretch of legal arguments. Doesn't matter though, the Jury heard about the letters during opening statement. I DO WONDER though if during CN's testimony it will come up again ...

 

[CJPRINCESS]

<modsnip> to me it does look like seats, even more so when I blow the pic up.

<modsnip>

I've blown it up as well and I even went outside and looked at MY dodge Ram from the same angle.