Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother

[joeskidbeck]

I am not even gonna try and explain the ransom note. Nor am I gonna explain why they haven't connected this case to another case. These are things that I don't know an answer to. I do understand DNA and it is my belief that without a shadow of a doubt that whomever left that DNA was in that house and attacked JBR. I don't claim to have answers about ransom notes. I can make a guess.

I think someone who knew of the Ramsey's wanted to extort money from them. My guess is that it is a family member of someone who worked in the Ramsey house before. I imagine they were immature and poor and there own stupidity is what makes the case so fascinating. Ultimately they panicked and killed JBR. But that is only a guess. They have been scared ever since.

I believe that the police also realize that the Ramsey's are innocent.

BBM
No matter whether RDI/IDI, the killer is by no means stupid or immature. The amount of time spent in that house and everything that was done. without leaving a trace of him/herself would suggest someone a lot smarter than most of us here. The rn was the smartest thing of all. It may appear to be written by someone immature, but it did exactly what the writer wanted it to do for the last fourteen years.

ETA: Excuse me for forgetting that one little trace dna they left. I would love for anyone to explain to me why they left it on the longjohns and panties but nowhere else. If it was anywhere else, we would have already heard because John Ramsey would take out full page ads no matter if LE wanted it kept quiet.

 

[Toltec]

this is the only piece of evidence that points away from them. .. does anyone remeber that weird santa guy who wrote a story about a child murdered in a basement...they concluded he was to ill and feeble to commit the crime...

i still wonder though...such a strange coincidence.

That weird Santa guy was Bill McReynolds and it was his wife who wrote the book/play entitled "Hey Rube".

 

[cynic]

Originally the DNA that was found in JBR's panties was scrutinized as a possible factory worker like you said. They never could source it but they did put together a full profile for it.

There is no evidence, whatsoever, that there is a full profile from any DNA sample in this case, and that is a fact.
The profile in CODIS from the JBR case has 10 markers, a full profile is 13.

A couple of years ago they found out about new touch DNA technology. They tested an area on both leggings based on their theory of how JBR was attacked assuming it was an intruder.
They struck gold and found DNA in two different areas that ultimately matched the DNA in the panties from many years ago.

Gold would be struck if the DNA evidence in this case was not so vulnerable to transfer and contamination issues. At most you have struck fool’s gold with this DNA.

Oh yeah, there are also reports out now that they also matched fingernail DNA.

I am not aware of any such reports out now, a decade, or so, ago, perhaps.
Those “reports” were from Ramsey PI’s and LinWood.
Once Lou Smit revealed the true abysmal “quality” of the fingernail DNA in a deposition, you didn’t hear about it anymore.
There are at least two markers, clear distinct markers under the fingernails of the right hand. – Lou Smit
You can’t “match” anything to a 2 marker DNA sample

But there are also reports that it is contaminated because they used the same fingernail clippers on each nail.

The same fingernail clippers were used on each nail, additionally, there is no guarantee that they were not used on a previous decedant.

 

[Toltec]

Does anyone know whether the cord was tested using touch DNA?

 

[cynic]

Does anyone know whether the cord was tested using touch DNA?

It should have been the first item to be tested, however, there has never been any information released regarding it.

 

[MurriFlower]

It should have been the first item to be tested, however, there has never been any information released regarding it.

In fact, unless I'm mistaken, we have no information that the cord was ever tested for anything, including whether it was 'all purpose' cord or shoelaces.

 

[californiared]

To the people speculating that Burke could be the killer..I thought it was concluded that the blow that killed JonBenet could not have been administered by a child? Meaning it would have been physically impossible for 9 year old Burke to have caused her death? I could be wrong, just thought I read that somewhere.

 

[joeskidbeck]

To the people speculating that Burke could be the killer..I thought it was concluded that the blow that killed JonBenet could not have been administered by a child? Meaning it would have been physically impossible for 9 year old Burke to have caused her death? I could be wrong, just thought I read that somewhere.

I have read a lot of opinions that Burke could not have made the blow, but I have never read an official statement that he could not have. If this happened and anyone has a link, I would appreciate it very much.
TIA
Becky

 

[Linda7NJ]

To the people speculating that Burke could be the killer..I thought it was concluded that the blow that killed JonBenet could not have been administered by a child? Meaning it would have been physically impossible for 9 year old Burke to have caused her death? I could be wrong, just thought I read that somewhere.

IMo Not with something like the baseball bat, where leverage and force is greatly increased

 

[Toltec]

To the people speculating that Burke could be the killer..I thought it was concluded that the blow that killed JonBenet could not have been administered by a child? Meaning it would have been physically impossible for 9 year old Burke to have caused her death? I could be wrong, just thought I read that somewhere.

Burke was in his little league all-star game...can he swing a bat? U betcha!

 

[SheBoss]

this is the only piece of evidence that points away from them. .. does anyone remeber that weird santa guy who wrote a story about a child murdered in a basement...they concluded he was to ill and feeble to commit the crime...

i still wonder though...such a strange coincidence.

What if (and this is just something I'm throwing out there) Mrs S had let Patsy or John read the play at one time? That little bit of knowledge about putting/killing a child in the basement would be awfully useful when staging a body to look like someone else did it. :twocents:

 

[joeskidbeck]

Good thinking, SheBoss. This theory may have been discussed elsewhere but I've never considered it. It would make sense that she would want the Ramsey's valued opinion.

 

[wannabedetective]

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but could someone please PM me with who RDI, JDI, PDI, and BDI are? I'm able to follow most of the initials, but not those.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but could someone please PM me with who RDI, JDI, PDI, and BDI are? I'm able to follow most of the initials, but not those.

Sure thing, Wannabe:

RDI = Ramsey Did It

JDI = John Did It

PDI = Patsy Did It

BDI = Burke Did It

and one more:

IDI = Intruder Did It

 

[LinasK]

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but could someone please PM me with who RDI, JDI, PDI, and BDI are? I'm able to follow most of the initials, but not those.

RDI= Ramsey Did It- any one of them
JDI=John Did It- theory
PDI=Patsy Did It- theory
BDI=Burke Did It-theory

 

[Chiquita71]

Forcefully? So "forcefully" that it took them 12 years to get a full profile?

I'm afraid the exaggeration of Mary Lacy, who had been working very hard to "clear" the Ramseys since the murder happened, doesn't make her irresponsible, unethical pronouncements about an "intruder" true. She's not a judge, nor a jury, and she alone cannot test the evidence in a court of law, especially without even presenting it at trial. She was only a prosecutor, and one who never managed to charge anyone with JonBenet's murder, at that.

Bode Technology can also not determine that the DNA sample they managed to lift in fact belonged to any intruder or killer. They're a lab, not a court, not a judge nor jury, and it's not their job nor their expertise to declare how the evidence came to rest on the clothing the lab tested.

That's the whole problem with this case: so many people take bits and pieces of what they know, add in what they want to believe about it, and come up with superfluous pronouncements leading to the conclusion they want. Intruder Smit came up with so many, based on speculation by his own accounts, that it's criminal how badly he damaged the case with his public relations propaganda.

No one knows how that DNA got on the clothing, nor when. Not until they source it will that question be answered. It very well could have been artifact, contamination from transference during the crime or processing the body, or many other ways. For Lacy to make use her office as a platform for the Ramseys was unprofessional and unconscionable, as the DA of Boulder whose job it was to prosecute the case, not shill for the Ramseys. Same with Hunter. When the DA is using his/her office to aid the prime suspects, then who is left to speak for the People or the victim? Nobody, that's who. And that's who has been speaking for JonBenet for 14 years now, thanks to the job her rich, influential parents did. JMO.

Respectfully Quoted KoldKase :cool2:

:clap: Thank you. I enjoyed your whole post. I feel exactly the same way, justice has not been served for Jonbenet and it was her very own parents that have hindered the truth. IMHO, no loving, innocent parent would ignore the warnings in the RN. The truth does not change and the Ramsey's changed their stories many, many times.

Whether it is through Burke or whatever tips, etc. I would like to see the truth come out for Jonbenet.

There is not a word sufficient enough for the abuse suffered by millions of children around the world, this is what happened to Jonbenet. Millions of children have been killed by their parents. Jonbenet, IMHO may be the one to bring to light that these things happen in all kinds of families.

I am for Jonbenet, no one can speak for her as long as it is denied she was being abused, was abused. She was being abused by her family, IMHO: those pageants are abuse just by themselves even without the evidence of vaginal trauma. The housekeeper and others said that Patsy would loose her temper with JB and that was when people were around, imagine how violent she got when they were alone? If you have had abuse in your family, these are all signs of abuse. It is familiar and obvious.

I admit I have a hard time with the idea that Burke did this(not that it is impossible) but if that is true he was a child and can not be blamed. But, if his parents covered this up, they are very responsible. If it is said they would cover it up because they loved Burke, that is not my idea of love. IMHO, that is the kind of thinking of parents like: George and Cindy Anthony, Scott Peterson's parents and the Van der Sloots.

My hopes are not hung on Burke, but the idea that this case is still being investigated and maybe there are people willing to really look at this case with Jonbenet in mind: not everyone else. Maybe Jonbenet is ready to tell her story. Maybe we are ready to hear it.

:cow:

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

I appreciate hearing this information regarding the touch DNA, from any side. I find that even when I take into account(for the sake of argument)the touch DNA is from an "intruder", I still cannot logically dismiss all the different stories by the Ramseys and the way they acted regarding the RN, and as others have posted here: the way they were not worried about harm to Burke.

Much like the Anthonys their own words betray them. I would have to ignore every bit of common sense, nay what is in front of my very face to see the behavior of the Ramsey's as anything other than suspect.

I have no expertise of course, but as a juror I wonder if there is DNA(touch or any kind)of a non-Ramsey present at the crime scene(on JonBenet): wouldn't there be some kind of evidence/DNA of this same person somewhere else in the house? A house where he/she was supposedly in for several hours to be able to get pineapple, take JB from her bed and downstairs, kill her and exit? Besides DNA, my understanding is there is zero forensic evidence of an intruder. I will stand corrected on that if I am wrong.

I have heard it time and time again lately: juries are more sophisticated and are conditioned by shows such as CSI and Forensic Files to expect, trust and understand forensic evidence. The touch DNA is forensic evidence and as a person conditioned by shows such as Forensic Files, I do not find that evidence to outweigh even the circumstantial evidence I perceive in this case. (I watched the first three seasons of CSI(the original)but when the plot line got uber personal for the CSI's, I lost interest. I usually enjoy non fiction as opposed to fiction and it became more like a soap opera than a show about forensics.)

There are other "arguments" put forth by IDI that I find harder to dimiss. I can't think of them right now...but even if the touch DNA is that of someone who is not a Ramsey, I cannot see any logical leap to that meaning Ramseys didn't do it. One has nothing to do with the other in my mind and does not quell my common sense that the Ramseys are/were lying and innocent people have no reason to lie.

:twocents:

 

[claudicici]

ITA chiqita,thank you for that post.
.....I am still not 100% convinced that the r's did it but I am 100% convinced that they changed stories and flat out lied sooo many times.Why would they have the need? Either because they are guilty,covering for someone or maybe dealt with the "unknown intruder" in their own way?
If there was an unknown intruder he was not unknown to them IMO.

 

[BBB167893]

You can believe what you want. But there is a reason why LE has changed the focus. I also got news for ya sport. Only on these websites is IDI in a minority. Most people understand that this is not about RDI anymore.

The pendulum is swinging back even now, Roy. Anyone can see that. The focus does seem to have shifted, all right.

The DNA is from a real person and the evidence portrays that it was from someone that came into that house, pulled down her pants and her panties, and JBR fought him.

I'm puzzled as to how anyone can say it shows that at all.

 

[azwriter]

this is the only piece of evidence that points away from them. .. does anyone remeber that weird santa guy who wrote a story about a child murdered in a basement...they concluded he was to ill and feeble to commit the crime...

i still wonder though...such a strange coincidence.

I do believe it was Santa's wife who wrote the play about the child in the basement. Not him.
jmo