breach of promise

Let's not forget that the option of Felony Murder still exists as a minimal charge to be filed against a suspect in the JBR case.

I have clung to the hope that someone could put together 'reasonable cause' to indict and further investigate JR as a chargeable suspect in JB's death, and eventually put him in a courtroom based on charges of Felony Murder.

IMO, there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant the filing of charges, and it IS possible to prosecute these cases....even bringing some of them to a guilty verdict.

Here are some of the case items that support my opinion:
JR's shirt fibers in the crotch of the Bloomies.
BR's statement to police indicating JB was awake and walked into the house, contesting the Ramsey story of her being laid down by John to be put to bed by PR.
JR's group of distortions about breaking the window, the position of the chair in the basement, taking of the suitcase to the basement, different descriptions of the toy he was working on with Burke before bed.
The report that he managed to move from the shower to the kitchen area in his underwear to read a ransom note on his knees, check on BR being in bed, then get fully dressed and presented to a police officer in the span of 8 minutes.
That he reportedly was 'joking and smiling' with people in their house the morning of the kidnapping.
That Arndt stated he greeted her cordially.
That Arndt handled her weapon after close confrontation with him and counted her bullets.
That JR disappeared and did not provide full accountability for his whereabouts at a time they were still waiting for a call from the 'kidnappers'.
That FW reported not seeing anything visible to him previously in the WC, yet JR blurted out JB's existence there AS the light switch was being flipped on.
That JR tried to schedule a flight from Boulder just after JB was brought up claiming he had 'business' to tend to in Atlanta, even though there were other plans under way to join the older kids for a trip to MI.
That JR called in Dr. Beuf later on for assistance and Patsy was medicated by Beuf, allowing for a couple of witness recounts as to Patsy's impaired physical state from that time forward for a period of time which appeared to include the time of the CNN interview.
That JR immediately brought in lawyers.....before making any solid attempts to facilitate police investigation of the R family in obtaining information that might help them determine who killed their daughter.
That the BPD initally suspected JR as the perpetrator of the crime.
That JR's military service in Subic Bay could have easily familiarized him with the fact that a garrote is a common means of criminal activity in the Phillipines and that Subic Bay is one of the world's leading hubs of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and sexual exploitation.
That Lockheed Martin should have been one of the first entities contacted by him for assistance in dealing with a SFF who made mention of his business and country in a ransom note for his daughter, with LM having the ability to provide extreme security for a man in his position with his company.
That JR quickly hired his own handwriting analysts, who excluded him first from writing the note.
That he immediately handed over THE notepad the ransom note was written on, clearly stating it was Patsy's.....though there were several other similar notepads kept handy in the house.
That he participated in writing and having published not one, but a second book about the Ramsey family's experiences related to JB's death. And the second book was written clearly to limelight his own experiences of victimization, recovery, and the disturbing account of his Christian recovery work chosen BY HIM which took him into the world of young female sexual exploitation.

I could list several more reasons why I suspect JR could be charged with Felony Murder. Bottom line for me is: he was there the night she was killed and I cannot believe even it if WAS Patsy or Burke who dealt the actions that took her life, that he was sound asleep through it all and totally uninvolved until the morning of the 911 call. I say, let him tell his story in court and see if a jury believes him.

Thank you for that exhaustive list, MWMM. For all those reasons plus the fact of the true bill a light is shone on AH’s decision there wasn’t enough evidence. Since we’ve been told for ages that there is only a portion of evidence in the public view, what else was stuffed down in AH’s and ML’s rush to avoid the RST?

Also, I remembered one other mysterious thing: If JR wasn’t taking a cue from OJ Simpson (Find the saga of OJ on youtube, in which oj simpson tries to prove his innocence by searching through every golf course till he finds the real killers, from mad tv) why did he ask his sister in law if she retrieved his golf clubs . . . in the middle of winter? All, moo.
 
There will be no prosecution for the charges because the statute of limitations has run out on Felony-2 (not to mention the fact that one of the two co-conspirators has died).



The only point at this time is in transparency, now that we know how Hunter obfuscated the truth. The "official action" of the GJ should be made public now that we know the truth. JR (through LW) will be clamoring to come up with excuses and their interpretation of what it all means. But now they have all been exposed for the scam that has been put over on the public. And I still can't get over the arrogance in the quotes you posted, maddie, from DOI:
Ha! :dance: Be grateful now, John.:great:
Yes, those quotes were arrogant and smug and in your face and IMO, (worst of all), celebratory! Their daughter was still dead so what was there to get excited about and all woo hoo, 'It worked!'?
 
Hey everybody! This is some really great news...so far. Let's keep our fingers crossed that this judge is on the up and up, and not on the RST payroll. :please: Has anyone ever found out about this judge? (Sorry to ask, been away a while.) Any ideas on how long we'll wait for the judge to decide?
 
Why of course. Did you really expect him to do anything less? He wants to run for State Attorney General again, he's got to make this look good...LOL:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

He really can't seem like he's covering this whole mess up, again, can he? I am just amazed that this isn't getting more attention. But, then again, I was amazed when the news broke earlier this year, and no one seemed too interested. Maybe we will hear something when Lin Wood drags out his threats, again. HooHum....LOL:tantrum::tantrum::please:

JMO

I think (and hope) it will get more attention when the indictment is released. Currently, it's just a bunch of hearings. It didn't get as much coverage as I wanted for when the indictment news was released in January, but I tell myself that this is a 17-year-old case. I am just glad that there is *something* happening in it.
 
I think (and hope) it will get more attention when the indictment is released. Currently, it's just a bunch of hearings. It didn't get as much coverage as I wanted for when the indictment news was released in January, but I tell myself that this is a 17-year-old case. I am just glad that there is *something* happening in it.

Boulder County wants nothing more than to sweep this under the rug. The People's Republic of Boulder do NOT want any more attention given to this. It would show just how corrupt Hunter and his office were. If the GJ stuff is released, we will find out about it from other media outlets other than the Daily Camera. They just don't want to deal with it anymore.

JMO
 
Boulder County wants nothing more than to sweep this under the rug. The People's Republic of Boulder do NOT want any more attention given to this. It would show just how corrupt Hunter and his office were. If the GJ stuff is released, we will find out about it from other media outlets other than the Daily Camera. They just don't want to deal with it anymore.

JMO

I agree with you about Boulder wanting this case to go away, but I think of that as being the DA's office not the Daily Camera. The Daily Camera was the ones who found out about the indictment, and their reporter is the one who is suing to get it released.
 
Let up hope that Charlie Brennan, the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press and the Daily Camera continue to make a great noise!
 
and I read something else into it...ahem,what's the point of making it (RDI) public since we can't go after them

I agree. Patsy is dead and BR cannot be named in association with this crime. JR is still here of course, but if his role consisted of covering up the crime there may be a statute of limitations on that- same with tampering with evidence (like the body).
 
OFFENSE STATUTE COMMENTS
Murder No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Kidnapping No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Treason No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Sex offense against a child No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009) Applies to offenses committed on or after July 1, 1996
 
OFFENSE STATUTE COMMENTS
Murder No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Kidnapping No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Treason No time limit
C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009)
Sex offense against a child
No time limit

C.R.S. 16-5-401(1)(a) (2009) Applies to offenses committed on or after July 1, 1996


mmmm...there's still a tiny hope
 
I agree. Patsy is dead and BR cannot be named in association with this crime. JR is still here of course, but if his role consisted of covering up the crime there may be a statute of limitations on that- same with tampering with evidence (like the body).

pls remind me,what was the statue of lim. for child abuse resulting in death
 
even if JR can't be charged anymore with child abuse resulting in death,the fact that it will be all made public at least (if he have the decency) will maybe make him shut the $%^# up from now on

and,who knows,maybe someday someone will dig after other evidence and he will be charged with something else/ no st.of lim. offense (if it can be proven who did what)
 
http://therocky.com/news/2001/dec/18/case-haunts-das-aide-who-led-grand-jury/

Kane said that with more than half a dozen books published and two movies made about the case, people could assume they know everything there is to know about the murder - other than who did it, of course.

But, he said, such an assumption would be wrong.

There remain "dozens" of secrets, he said. "Absolutely. Dozens. And a lot of what the public thinks is fact is simply not fact."


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maybe we will finally be told some of those secrets:please:
 
http://therocky.com/news/2001/dec/18/case-haunts-das-aide-who-led-grand-jury/

Kane said that with more than half a dozen books published and two movies made about the case, people could assume they know everything there is to know about the murder - other than who did it, of course.

But, he said, such an assumption would be wrong.

There remain "dozens" of secrets, he said. "Absolutely. Dozens. And a lot of what the public thinks is fact is simply not fact."


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maybe we will finally be told some of those secrets:please:

BBM. That echoes what Linda Arndt said after talking to Patsy. Arndt said Patsy was "imprisoned by secrets" or words to that effect.

I doubt if the Grand Jury even heard all those secrets. :moo:
 
"Garnett's office on Friday said the judge can proceed as he "deems appropriate."


Heyya eileenhawkeye,

so now it's back in the judge's hands?

Anybody know anything about this judge?
 
midwest mama;9911735
Let's not forget that the option of Felony Murder still exists as a minimal charge to be filed against a suspect in the JBR case.

I have respectfully snipped your post. You listed all very good reasons.

However I do not believe it is realistic to charge JR. I tend to believe he was complicit in the ultimate cover up, but not the murder. However I am sure the Statute of Limitations has expired on any type of "Accessory" charge, as it has on any type of child abuse the original GJ wanted to charge them with. .

Even assuming that JR was complicit in the murder, which I would certainly not dismiss as a possiblity, I don't believe he will ever be charged. I don't think any DA would charge him due to reasonable doubt. All you have to look at is any thread oh this board. While there are certainly far more RDI's than IDI's, we cannot agree on which RDI.

I have seen a number of well thought out theories, all of which I can find convincing. The problem is that all the theories don't point to the same Ramsey as the killer. I tend to fall back onto my pet theory that Patsy did it and John was not part of the initial cover up, but became involved later, after
realizing Patsy was the killer.

Could I be argued out of that pet theory here on this board? Yeah, Absolutely.

Could I say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that John killed her? Not so much.

Even when Patsy was alive I always thought Reasonable doubt would sink any prosecution of this case. If John was charged, he points to Patsy. If Patsy was charged she points at John. If they both were charged, they point at Burke, who cannot be charged. Reasonable doubt.

Obviously with Patsy dead, it becomes even easer for John to point the finger at her, even if it is a subtle rather than direct point.

I personally beleive 12 jurrors could very wll be convinced that a RDI. I don't personally believe 12 jurors can be convinced which Ramsey did it.
 
midwest mama;9911735

I have respectfully snipped your post. You listed all very good reasons.

However I do not believe it is realistic to charge JR. I tend to believe he was complicit in the ultimate cover up, but not the murder. However I am sure the Statute of Limitations has expired on any type of "Accessory" charge, as it has on any type of child abuse the original GJ wanted to charge them with. .

Even assuming that JR was complicit in the murder, which I would certainly not dismiss as a possiblity, I don't believe he will ever be charged. I don't think any DA would charge him due to reasonable doubt. All you have to look at is any thread oh this board. While there are certainly far more RDI's than IDI's, we cannot agree on which RDI.

I have seen a number of well thought out theories, all of which I can find convincing. The problem is that all the theories don't point to the same Ramsey as the killer. I tend to fall back onto my pet theory that Patsy did it and John was not part of the initial cover up, but became involved later, after
realizing Patsy was the killer.

Could I be argued out of that pet theory here on this board? Yeah, Absolutely.

Could I say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that John killed her? Not so much.

Even when Patsy was alive I always thought Reasonable doubt would sink any prosecution of this case. If John was charged, he points to Patsy. If Patsy was charged she points at John. If they both were charged, they point at Burke, who cannot be charged. Reasonable doubt.

Obviously with Patsy dead, it becomes even easer for John to point the finger at her, even if it is a subtle rather than direct point.

I personally beleive 12 jurrors could very wll be convinced that a RDI. I don't personally believe 12 jurors can be convinced which Ramsey did it.

The juror who spoke to the media even said that they couldn't agree about who did what---and they saw all the evidence.
 

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