Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[tybee204]

LOL in other words a stall tactic.

 

[calus_3]

Isnt Denver an International Airport? Im pretty sure it is.

Calus if everyone simply choses to blindly follow what the media is saying or except with out any evidence presented that this guy is guilty with out question or speculation, then I guess my question is should we just shut down WS and convert it into a knitting forum?

That or a bridge club forum!

Actually, questioning is one thing. But is seems that some people get confused as to the fact that they are NOT actual investigators. It is just funny how some people question everything from the extradition process, the order of charges, which genetic markers constitute a full DNA sample and that this guys can't match, etc. It is actually kind of funny that some people have become naysayers about EVERYTHING. Almost as if they are a relative of Karr's or the Ramseys bent on disproving everything.

I know there isn't a lot of evidence out there and we are all chomping at the bit. However, it is almost as if someone is always looking for a conspiracy everywhere. "Karr was transported via a 777"....and someone will post "Aha, the 777 doesn't fly into LA, this means that the CO and CA authorities are lying about Karr's whereabouts....what does it all mean?". Nah, it means the same reporter that calls a civilian made AR15 rifle a fully automatic. Not everything is a conspiracy.

That's all. Not admonishing anyone in particular.

Cal

 

[JBean]

LOL in other words a stall tactic.

yep

 

[calus_3]

okay i have it.

STan Goldman said that Karr was under the arrest of CO and that agent could have taken him straight to CO. but instead he left,saying he had to leave for a family emergency. That left the extradition process in CA.
The implication is that they just are trying to buy more time, because the clock doesn't start ticking for CO, until he is there. By leaving him here for a few days, they have more time in CO. but the upshot is he didn't have to come into CA custody at all.

Sounds like the DA's office isn't as dumb as everyone first thought. It was amazing how quickly the genius chants turned to idiot speak because the Bankcock's version of Jossie Mansour couldn't get his story straight. [side note: have you seen so many people before try to squeeze up against some dirtbag to get their face on international press as you did when the Bangcock authorities were moving Carr around?"]. This DA has everyone fooled and she may just suprise us all and arrest someone else for the murder and Karr as an accessory or for some obstruction or something. Like I said in another post, Carr knows something you or I don't. That something came from the crime scene so he was either there or knows who was.

Cal

 

[tybee204]

And for others it isnt either or. I am not a Ramsey absolutley did. But I have serious doubts about this nut job or the Boulder DA's having her ducks in a row. It seems to me more and more that she was forced into an arrest before she had a case. If they put this guy in Colorado in 96 or match some DNA I will be doing handflips ( imaginary one) .

 

[Buzz Mills]

yep

If they stall, they can have the results of the DNA back.

 

[Buzz Mills]

yep

How does that go--knit one, pearl two?? correction purl two

 

[i.b.nora]

STan Goldman said that Karr was under the arrest of CO and that agent could have taken him straight to CO. but instead he left,saying he had to leave for a family emergency. That left the extradition process in CA.
The implication is that they just are trying to buy more time, because the clock doesn't start ticking for CO, until he is there. By leaving him here for a few days, they have more time in CO. but the upshot is he didn't have to come into CA custody at all.

I am interested in helping to sort this out, if only for my own education. I didn't hear what Stan Goldman said but based on what you have said he said (that Karr was under the arrest of CO) I am just not sure that is accurate.
What I do feel is accurate is that the DA Mary Lacy needs all the time she can get. They didn't know the guy's name until shortly before he was 'detained' in Thailand. They hadn't investigated anything prior to that. They couldn't possibly have.
I will bet that Lacy is praying that he fights extradition tomorrow, but the indication is that he won't. She had better have all her ducks in a row very very soon.
This whole thing is going to blow up, imo.

And, regarding Tybee's comment about Denver being an International Airport, it is. (I stand corrected on the Customs comment) but, very very few flights from Asia fly directly to Denver.

 

[Floh]

That or a bridge club forum!

Actually, questioning is one thing. But is seems that some people get confused as to the fact that they are NOT actual investigators. It is just funny how some people question everything from the extradition process, the order of charges, which genetic markers constitute a full DNA sample and that this guys can't match, etc. It is actually kind of funny that some people have become naysayers about EVERYTHING. Almost as if they are a relative of Karr's or the Ramseys bent on disproving everything.

I know there isn't a lot of evidence out there and we are all chomping at the bit. However, it is almost as if someone is always looking for a conspiracy everywhere. "Karr was transported via a 777"....and someone will post "Aha, the 777 doesn't fly into LA, this means that the CO and CA authorities are lying about Karr's whereabouts....what does it all mean?". Nah, it means the same reporter that calls a civilian made AR15 rifle a fully automatic. Not everything is a conspiracy.

That's all. Not admonishing anyone in particular.

Cal

We question because we want to know. what on earth is wrong with questioning?

and the use of the word 'funny' in this instance normally means it is against what the person using the term believes to be right and equal: it's disingenouous and offensive, in my never to be humble opinion.

***

in answer to someone else's question, yes: Denver is an international airport. as to wether flights arrive (or leave) come in from Thailand, i don't know.

 

[JDB]

And for others it isnt either or. I am not a Ramsey absolutley did. But I have serious doubts about this nut job or the Boulder DA's having her ducks in a row. It seems to me more and more that she was forced into an arrest before she had a case. If they put this guy in Colorado in 96 or match some DNA I will be doing handflips ( imaginary one) .

Tybee: I have been saying the same thing you said since last week. If they can prove his DNa or he was in Colo. I will be happy that maybe this case can finally be settled. But all this spin on things we can read anyway we want to.

 

[ketel0ne]

JonBenet murder suspect meets with lawyer

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The schoolteacher who claims he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she died met with a defense lawyer in a Los Angeles jail on Monday as he awaited proceedings to send him to Colorado to face possible charges of murdering the child beauty queen. John Mark Karr was expected in a Los Angeles courtroom on Tuesday morning for the extradition hearing.

 

[Floh]

I'm peeved he is being referenced as a 'school teacher'.

he isn't, in the truest sense of the word, in my opinion.

 

[JBean]

I am interested in helping to sort this out, if only for my own education. I didn't hear what Stan Goldman said but based on what you have said he said (that Karr was under the arrest of CO) I am just not sure that is accurate.
What I do feel is accurate is that the DA Mary Lacy needs all the time she can get. They didn't know the guy's name until shortly before he was 'detained' in Thailand. They hadn't investigated anything prior to that. They couldn't possibly have.
I will bet that Lacy is praying that he fights extradition tomorrow, but the indication is that he won't. She had better have all her ducks in a row very very soon.
This whole thing is going to blow up, imo.

And, regarding Tybee's comment about Denver being an International Airport, it is. (I stand corrected on the Customs comment) but, very very few flights from Asia fly directly to Denver.

The direct flight to Denver wasn't the question. Here, try it this way,what would have happened if he had flown into New York?

Regarding who arrested him, I am quite sure the arresting agency from Thailand was CO. I mean that is what we have been told over and over. Which is what begs the question, why is he in CA jail if they are deferring all charges?His hearing is only for extradition nothing to do with his CA charges.
The answer is because a smart DA wants as much time as possible and that is exactly what she is doing. He is only in the CA jail because the CO agent left on a family emergency.
The only thing that he has to fight extradition with is to prove that he is not the John Mark karr that is named on the CO arrest warrant. Hence,he will be in CO before you know it.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr to appear before judge tomorrow
Elizabeth Dalziel © AP

John Mark Karr prepares to board a flight to Los Angeles at Bangkok International Airport in Thailand on Sunday. Karr, 41, a former schoolteacher, is to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the killing of the 6-year old child beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey. Karr is scheduled to appear in court in Los Angeles tomorrow.
By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
August 21, 2006

John Mark Karr, who says he killed 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey by accident, will appear in court in Los Angeles tomorrow at 11 a.m. mountain time.
Superior Court Commissioner James Bianco will preside over the hearing.

Karr, 41, will be advised he is being held on one count of being a fugitive of justice. He will also be required to fill out paperwork, including a form asking him whether he chooses to waive extradition to return to Colorado for investigation of first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault on a child.

"Hopefully, he’ll say yes," said LA District Attorney’s spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons. "If he says, yes, they come and get him and then we’re out of it."

However, if Karr chooses to fight extradition, then a hearing on that issue will be set for a later date. Gibbons said Karr could be in Los Angeles for anywhere between a day and six weeks.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4933157,00.html

 

[JBean]

Karr to appear before judge tomorrow
Elizabeth Dalziel © AP

John Mark Karr ."

However, if Karr chooses to fight extradition, then a hearing on that issue will be set for a later date. Gibbons said Karr could be in Los Angeles for anywhere between a day and six weeks.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4933157,00.htmlhttp://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4933157,00.html

this is that same conflicting report. our local LA news says he will be out of here pronto even if he fights. They have said it would only be a few days delay.

 

[scandi]

I don't understand why this is written to sound so casual, which to me makes it lose validty, from Buzz's link on page 5:

"Marie Case, who represented Karr on the 2001 misdemeanor charges, said yesterday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her at the time that "there was possibly some involvement" in the Ramsey slaying 1,200 miles away in Boulder, Colo. -- "just saying, 'Hey, we're looking at this guy.' "

Do you think it is the feeling this lawyer wants to put on the info or maybe written by a clerk or some reporter? I read Karr wants a different lawyer than VanZant in Co.


Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

I don't understand why this is written to sound so casual, which to me makes it lose validty, from Buzz's link on page 5:

"Marie Case, who represented Karr on the 2001 misdemeanor charges, said yesterday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her at the time that "there was possibly some involvement" in the Ramsey slaying 1,200 miles away in Boulder, Colo. -- "just saying, 'Hey, we're looking at this guy.' "

Do you think it is the feeling this lawyer wants to put on the info or maybe written by a clerk or some reporter? I read Karr wants a different lawyer than VanZant in Co.


Scandi

Van Zandt practices in CA--wasn't it mentioned that she is a public defender. JMK will most likely have a name attorney in CO.

 

[tybee204]

Van Zandt is likey not liscensed to practice in Colorado.

 

[FactorFiction]

There are no charges pending in California, except for FTA, Karr has already been convicted of Child charges. CA can waive/hold the FTA charges and allow CO to charge Karr with murder...I'm not sure what CA law is regarding statute of limitations for charging someone for FTA.

*most states will defer prosecution to the state with the most serious charges - unless someone just really wants to get into a pissing contest*

Now, if CO decides not to charge Karr then CA can seek extradition for sentencing on the child charges. Waiving FTA does not relieve Karr of his obligation to serve his sentence for the other charges.

Now, under the Federal PROTECT Act of 2003, Karr can be charged for sex with a minor if it can be proven that he left the U.S. to engage in commercial sex with someone under 18 or non-commercial sex under age 16. Although, this is rarely attempted, if it turns out that he is lying about JBR then I could see the govt. going after him. Not to mention all the charges he will face for lying to police.Either way, Karr isn't going to be on the streets anytime soon.

Anyone care to wager that the first motion lawyers will bring is to have his Thai statements suppressed?

I pulled this off of Wiki...its a good summary of the PROTECT act...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003
The PROTECT Act of 2003 is a multipurpose United States law intended to prevent child abuse. "PROTECT" stands for Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today.

The law has the following effects:

• Provides for mandatory life imprisonment of sex offenses against a minor if the offender has had a prior conviction of abuse against a minor, with some exceptions.
• Establishes a program to obtain criminal history background checks for volunteer organizations.
• Authorizes wiretapping and monitoring of other communications in all cases related to child abuse or kidnapping.
• Eliminates statutes of limitations for child abduction or child abuse.
• Bars pretrial release of persons charged with specified offenses against or involving children.
• Assigns a national AMBER Alert Coordinator.
• Prohibits computer-generated child .
• Authorizes fines and/or imprisonment for up to 30 years for U.S. citizens or residents who engage in illicit sexual conduct abroad.

For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and all sex with anyone under 16. Previous US law was less strict, only punishing those having sex either in contravention of local laws OR in commerce (prostitution); but did not prohibit non-commercial sex with, for example, a 14 year-old if such sex was legal in the foreign territory.

 

[JBean]

There are no charges pending in California, except for FTA, Karr has already been convicted of Child charges. CA can waive/hold the FTA charges and allow CO to charge Karr with murder...I'm not sure what CA law is regarding statute of limitations for charging someone for FTA.

I understand about the FTA, but what about violating his restricted release?Isn't that a charge unto itself?