Breaking news in the LISK case

[CriminalMinds]

The last name he use on his FB Vito W Sxxxxxx is, IMO, not correct, BUT it closely resemble his, IMO, correct last name, he apparently just changed his last name a bit.

His first name and his date and year of birth, as he gave it up in his book, is indeed correct, and that's the way I found his correct information.

gee, i'd suggest seeing if he had any ties to an area in nj, but that would be in vio of the tos :jail:-----and besides you are 10 steps ahead anyways

 

[mysterymom7]

gee, i'd suggest seeing if he had any ties to an area in nj, but that would be in vio of the tos :jail:-----and besides you are 10 steps ahead anyways

I would think the meaning of the incorrect spelling of his last name is because it doesn't belong to the REAL author.

 

[PreciousDust]

The Foreigner, could you clear out some of your inbox so I can send you a PM? Thanks.

 

[PreciousDust]

I would think the meaning of the incorrect spelling of his last name is because it doesn't belong to the REAL author.

Nah, it would be to protect his anonymity. The drifter wrote the book, deal with it.

 

[Seaslug44]

Yes, the drifter IS real (I never said I didn't think he was a real person) but hasn't been named in MSM. He wrote the book to CLEAR HIS NAME? The book suggests the drifter/narrator may be RESPONSIBLE. The REAL drifter doesn't NEED to clear his name, he hasn't been named and wasn't even THERE that night and was never even SUSPECTED by SCPD. Who was questioned by police? Not the drifter.

On the contrary. The drifter "with a penchant for strippers" DID need to clear his name. There were many sleuthers (myself included) who have always felt that the drifter was a prime suspect for foul play related to SG's demise or that the drifter held some key information that could help us better understand what happened that evening in JB's home.

You might be missing the point when it comes to books or memoirs that deal with confessions. The drifter's motive for writing his particular confession book was to come clean and be honest and upfront with the world about all of the dirt in his life. With a confessions style of writing, the author brings it all to the table (not a single bad act left out). The idea is for the author to come clean (with the absolute understanding by the reader that the author is telling the truth in hopes that the act of confession will cleanse his soul). There are no lies with a confession. There are no secrets that are hidden. In this particular case, the writer is asking us (as the readers) to accept that he was no longer living at JB's home by the time SG went missing (and, in turn, accept that he should no longer be a suspect in our minds).

His confession has given us the gift of knowledge in several ways. For one, he was straightforward about the stench of death from the basement of JB's house. He repeated it again when he spoke with JJ. This is crucial information that we would have never known without his assistance. Secondly, he has given us some character insight about JB. We learn more about JB from the drifter's confessions than from any other source we have at our disposal. Thirdly, sometimes it is what we are able to dismiss that is more important than what we learn. In other words, there is now a very long list of items we were speculating about JB, about the neighborhood and about the drifter that we can now eliminate as possibilities. For instance, some people have speculated that May 1, 2010 was not the first time JB had ever met MP or SG. Well, I honestly believe that if the drifter had ever witnessed MP or SG at JB's home at any time he was living there he would have confessed that in his book (it not only would have made his confessions complete; it would have also made for some best-seller juicy kind of reading that could have surely boosted book sales tenfold).

The book of confessions DOES NOT suggest that the drifter is responsible for SG's death. It also doesn't suggest that he could be the LISK (the real LISK is far too intelligent, careful and skillful to be some drugged-up hippie who repeatedly blacked out on the beach). Just reading the dialogue of the book is a sure tell-tale that there is absolutely no way the author is the LISK or (as you suggested) a person educated enough to become a licensed physician and a member of the OBA board of directors.

Sorry. The drifter did need to clear his name and after reading his book I do think he did an excellent job accomplishing his goal of doing so.

 

[Seajay]

Who is Damon?

 

[Seajay]

I had a time out doll, my sister gave it to me. She called it a Pouting Doll. Looked like a small child standing in a corner or something pouting. It was cute.

 

[Justiceforever]

I had a time out doll, my sister gave it to me. She called it a Pouting Doll. Looked like a small child standing in a corner or something pouting. It was cute.

They are kinda cute when not laying face down. I had a Baby Alive doll and a Raggity Ann. That was a long time ago. ; )

 

[Justiceforever]

Who is Damon?

A pseudonym for JB in the drifters book.

 

[WINDSOR]

I had not given much thought to the drifter's book before today, but there seems to be some confusion if the drifter actually wrote the book.

As a writer and I think Peter Brendt will attest to this as well, a lot of work and self-discipline is required to write a book. Usually a person who is a 'drifter' does not have these abilities or skills.

Secondly a person who is a 'drifter'; tends not to concern himself with events outside his immediate world, tends not to be involved with others or communities.

Motivation to make money by writing a book? With a few exceptions there is little money to be made by authors.

So I am thinking that the real drifter did not write this book, as it is likely beyond his abilities. Then who did write it and why?


MOO

 

[mysterymom7]

I had not given much thought to the drifter's book before today, but there seems to be some confusion if the drifter actually wrote the book.

As a writer and I think Peter Brendt will attest to this as well, a lot of work and self-discipline is required to write a book. Usually a person who is a 'drifter' does not have these abilities or skills.

Secondly a person who is a 'drifter'; tends not to concern himself with events outside his immediate world, tends not to be involved with others or communities.

Motivation to make money by writing a book? With a few exceptions there is little money to be made by authors.

So I am thinking that the real drifter did not write this book, as it is likely beyond his abilities. Then who did write it and why?


MOO

Just because a man has the education of a doctor does not mean he is capable of being a GOOD author. I've read children's books that were written with more literary skill than that of the author of Confessions.

Remember, the book was also SELF-PUBLISHED, which means it cost the author payment up front. The drifter in the book is a drug addict. Any money, save that for survival, would go toward drugs rather than toward a horribly written book.

JJ said the REAL drifter is not happy about the book's publishing. If he wrote it, why would he be upset? Please ask yourselves these questions.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I had not given much thought to the drifter's book before today, but there seems to be some confusion if the drifter actually wrote the book.

As a writer and I think Peter Brendt will attest to this as well, a lot of work and self-discipline is required to write a book. Usually a person who is a 'drifter' does not have these abilities or skills.

Secondly a person who is a 'drifter'; tends not to concern himself with events outside his immediate world, tends not to be involved with others or communities.

Motivation to make money by writing a book? With a few exceptions there is little money to be made by authors.

So I am thinking that the real drifter did not write this book, as it is likely beyond his abilities. Then who did write it and why?


MOO

Well, yes, writing a book needs some self-discipline and some focus, so far I agree. However, it's not like you have to go to office every morning 8 am sharp. So, it's not impossible, a drifter, who found a quiet enough place, can write a book. Especially not impossible, if his motivation is spurred enough.

 

[fred&edna]

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Sorry. The drifter did need to clear his name and after reading his book I do think he did an excellent job accomplishing his goal of doing so.

I agree for the most part (as I am one of those who found the drifters' presence at house "suspect"), but I have reservations about accepting the book as completely factual only because it is a novel for sale (not written under the influence of truth serum) and people have a tendency to embellish, fabricate, etc. I guess it's difficult for me to rule anyone out as there are so many strange people involved.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Just such a crazy thought may, but okay, the book writing drifter exists and he was out there months before SG came to Oak Beach, fine. But if JB found himself a new drifter, the original one wouldn't know. But when asking the neighbors afterwards, they all would say, there was this drifter, his name was ... and they would refer to the drifter they remember.
There is one thing, that makes me stumbling here and the book-writing drifter indirectly confirms it. JB was asked in the lie-detector test about his intentions to have sex with SG. And when he said no, the device could either have shown he lied, shown something, nobody could interprete or shown, he said the truth. However, if the answer and the result on the device is totally against the expectation, operators would may estimate the result as "inconclusive". So if JB said, he had no intentions to have sex with SG, and the device said, he said the truth, LE would tell us "inconclusive". The idea, that JB rented himself a prostitute to have not sex with her is for most people just too abstract. Unless of course, JB got SG because he wanted to kill her n the first place, one could may argue. But it would be a stretch too.
Now, the drifter writes about JB collecting porn. All kinds of. So, he is basically some kind of voyeur. He gains sexual relief from seeing. Not necessarily from doing. So, assuming, JB wanted to see that night too, he would have needed someone to have sex with SG while he watched. Which would explain the lie-detector result as well.

 

[PreciousDust]

JJ said the REAL drifter is not happy about the book's publishing.

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I have reservations about accepting the book as completely factual ...

That author says it's partially ficitionalized, so it's definitely not completely factual.

The "drifter" is not a drifter, he's a longtime West Islip resident who happened to stay at JB's house for awhile. It seems pretty clear to me that he did, indeed, write this book. I'm sort of puzzled why people think someone would write a book ostensibly claiming to be someone else - someone else who happens to be alive and able to refute it.

 

[mysterymom7]

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That author says it's partially ficitionalized, so it's definitely not completely factual.

The "drifter" is not a drifter, he's a longtime West Islip resident who happened to stay at JB's house for awhile. It seems pretty clear to me that he did, indeed, write this book. I'm sort of puzzled why people think someone would write a book ostensibly claiming to be someone else - someone else who happens to be alive and able to refute it.

First, I think your snarky comment was unnecessary.

I must have been tired when I read JJ's post. I just re-read it, and don't know how I took what he wrote to say the real drifter said he didn't write it.

So now agreeing the unnamed drifter wrote it himself... a witness who was interviewed by LE gave this man's name as possibly being there (although he wasn't really) and knowing about his doll collection, places the Time Out dolls against the crosses of these girls, further pointing he finger at this "drifter".

When were these dolls at the site?

 

[Peter Brendt]

First, I think your snarky comment was unnecessary.

I must have been tired when I read JJ's post. I just re-read it, and don't know how I took what he wrote to say the real drifter said he didn't write it.

So now agreeing the unnamed drifter wrote it himself... a witness interviewed by LE was interviewed, gave this man's name as possibly being there (although he wasn't really) and knowing about his doll collection, places the Time Out dolls against the crosses of these girls, further pointing he finger at this "drifter".

When were these dolls at the site?

Much more interesting, who was that witness ...

 

[mysterymom7]

Much more interesting, who was that witness ...

We could narrow it down to a handful of people we know have spoken with LE: JB, GC, BB, JC, TC, and CPH.

 

[Peter Brendt]

We could narrow it down to a handful of people we know have spoken with LE: JB, GC, BB, JC, TC, and CPH.

MP, the guy with the foot prints (forgot his name), 3xJS(?), all direct neighbors of CPH, JB, half of the psychics East of the Mississipi, about five dozen journalists who claimed to have been there long before the police actually paid attention to the case, Varus and his lost legions and who know else. Hey even our old friend Truthspider was hanging out there and talked to everybody. And everybody talked to everybody claiming that all they heard was what they so sure knew. The usual mess.
What I still try to figure out is, the night SG went into that marsh, one police officer was there. Did he speak to JB? We know, he didn't speak to MP because he was gone already. If he was at JB's place, how many people did this officer actually see there?

 

[WINDSOR]

Now I am getting really confused.

We got ....
the real drifter
a not real drifter
an author who may or not be the drifter
a drifter who does drugs
a drifter from West Islip
a drifter who was at JB's house that night
a drifter who was not at JB's house that night
a drifter who has spoken to LE or maybe not.
a drifter who may have gone South

If anybody knows the real drifter, can you verify if he wrote the book?

MOO