Breastfeeding at 8 - OMG!!!

[Glow]

Glow, may I ask you a question?.

Truly you may always ask anything you like. And I for my part will always respond to anything that is posted in the spirit of respect and sharing thoughts

In the FLDS threads, you defended the fact that an eight-year-old was forcibly married, and then forcibly married again at age twelve to the sixty-five-year-old creep who murdered her first *husband*

No. I never did that. I doubt anyone else did either.

Now... are you saying that a girl-child who is still being breastfed is ready to be married off?

No

Understanding is key. Help me understand here. I believe every woman has the right to decide what to do witrh her own body, and that every child has the right to be completely emancipated as an adult in her own right, without her parents deciding her fate for her.

I too believe that a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body. There are of course conditions on this. If a young healthy woman was attempting to jump off a high bridge I would attempt to stop her. I do not believe that children should be "emancipated" unless there is no parent willing to do their job OR the parent is willing and the child is just resistant to the extreme. Emancipation is an extremely drastic and sad thing for a young woman. It is an act of desperation on all sides.

What do you think about women's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?.

I think that promoting that is my lifes purpose.

TIA.

You're welcome :blowkiss:

 

[Diamond]

see now i disagreed with the start of glow's post. why should we be alarmed if a boy begins to reach puberty early? once a boy begins to reach puberty he will see the breast as a sex object. that is normal and natural. the breast are sex objects. yes they provide nourishment for a child at some points but they provide sexual pleasure for most women. breast can be both a item the mother uses to nurture her child and a object of sexual desire. as children age they should be able to see the difference. i am alarmed by those that claim the breast is not a sex object. to ignore the dual function the body part plays is not healthy imo.

Mammals have breasts to feed their young...that is the whole purpose. Anything else is just a 'bonus', lol. I don't know how to put this...hineys can be used for sexual pleasure too, but that's not the intention. I mean, feet can be sexual as well...but it doesn't change the fact that they're meant for walking.:crazy:

 

[JBean]

I think you are hitting a very important nail here SS.

slightly off topic here ....

I have a concern that has been growing in me for the last few weeks about how we, as women, treat other women. Especially in the areas of family and children. Seems to me there is a rush to judgement on our part (collectively as mainstream women) rather than a rush to understand. Understanding is KEY in giving ANY kind of constructive help or counsel. Am I the only one who has had that thought?

I know what you mean Glow.
I think I do both. I truly try and understand and then I judge. My dh and I go around about this all the time. I don't think he takes the time to listen and understand other POV. he think s I spend too much time getting the info and understanding the why's and wherefores.I am trying to understand all the pieces of the josef debacle and I think it is mistaken by some as compassion or a kind of caring . the reality is I am just gathering data to understand what was going through Josef's mind.

 

[Truly]

Truly you may always ask anything you like. And I for my part will always respond to anything that is posted in the spirit of respect and sharing thoughts

Honestly?

No. I never did that. I doubt anyone else did either.

Three words: Agnes of France. You brought it up and defended it

I too believe that a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body. There are of course conditions on this. If a young healthy woman was attempting to jump off a high bridge I would attempt to stop her. I do not believe that children should be "emancipated" unless there is no parent willing to do their job OR the parent is willing and the child is just resistant to the extreme. Emancipation is an extremely drastic and sad thing for a young woman. It is an act of desperation on all sides.

My premise: Every person has a right to grow to be eighteen and then emancipated in full as an adult in their own right, without a parent deciding their fate. Parents do not have a right to marry their young girls off and get them pregnant before they can decide for themselves what they want as adults for their own lives. Yes or No? True or False?

Thank you for this opportunity to converse. I am honestly trying to understand where you are coming from. It is a little off-topic, as you said... but not really. It is all about women deciding what to do with their own bodies.

Thank you.

 

[Glow]

I know what you mean Glow.
I think I do both. I truly try and understand and then I judge. My dh and I go around about this all the time. I don't think he takes the time to listen and understand other POV. he think s I spend too much time getting the info and understanding the why's and wherefores.I am trying to understand all the pieces of the josef debacle and I think it is mistaken by some as compassion or a kind of caring . the reality is I am just gathering data to understand what was going through Josef's mind.

my hubby and I go through that too :blowkiss: I understand.

 

[Diamond]

We want those.You got it.

:laugh:

 

[sherri79]

Mammals have breasts to feed their young...that is the whole purpose. Anything else is just a 'bonus', lol. I don't know how to put this...hineys can be used for sexual pleasure too, but that's not the intention. I mean, feet can be sexual as well...but it doesn't change the fact that they're meant for walking.:crazy:

we are not talking about a sexual fetish. i know some people are turned on by sucking toes or doing the lawn furniture. breast like the vagina are related to both reproduction and sex. a smack on the bum or a kiss on the neck may turn you on but they are not directly related to sex. for example suck my toes from now til the (dairy) cows come home and it will not affect ovulation.

the breast are not just a bonus. they serve a dual function just as the vagina is not only a gateway for birth. a healthy attitude about breast feeding need not ignore the fact they are a sexual body part just as a healthy sex life need not exclude the breast.

the fact we are mammals is not relevant. natural sexual behavior and what are brings sexual pleasure can vary greatly from 1 mammal to another. for example in humans the breast are both for sexual pleasure and to feed our young and the penis is covered by relatively smooth skin. in cats the breast are only for feeding the young and the penis is covered with small barbs. by saying we are all mammals you are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Truly]

we are not talking about a sexual fetish. i know some people are turned on by sucking toes or doing the lawn furniture. breast like the vagina are related to both reproduction and sex. a smack on the bum or a kiss on the neck may turn you on but they are not directly related to sex. for example suck my toes from now til the (dairy) cows come home and it will not affect ovulation.

the breast are not just a bonus. they serve a dual function just as the vagina is not only a gateway for birth. a healthy attitude about breast feeding need not ignore the fact they are a sexual body part just as a healthy sex life need not exclude the breast.

the fact we are mammals is not relevant. natural sexual behavior and what are brings sexual pleasure can vary greatly from 1 mammal to another. for example in humans the breast are both for sexual pleasure and to feed our young and the penis is covered by relatively smooth skin. in cats the breast are only for feeding the young and the penis is covered with small barbs. by saying we are all mammals you are comparing apples and oranges.

How exactly, for a woman, are breasts more sexual than any other part of our bodies? What about our clits? There's the source of sexual arousal for a woman. No matter what a man might be more turned on by.

Where are you getting this information from? Do you have a link? Sucking your breasts affects your ovulation??? Are you kidding ? (Only when the moon is right, I would expect.) Please don't tell me that the bible or some men's magazine says that men have some god-given right to get a thrill out of oolging women and fondling our breasts, or to make stupid sexist baby-babble titty-sucking sippy-cupping comments in the tags, and that women are then supposed to go 'oh, yes, baby, whatever turns YOU on, that's fine with me'? Puh-leeese.

I love my whole entire body. Every inch is an erogenous zone. The fact that men's magazines focus on and does not mean that we ought to accept it. Breasts are perfect for feeding our babies. Clits are where the action is, sexually, for women. You know that, right?

It's just Basic Woman 101.

 

[sherri79]

How exactly, for a woman, are breasts more sexual than any other part of our bodies? What about our clits? There's the source of sexual arousal for a woman. No matter what a man might be more turned on by.

Where are you getting this information from? Do you have a link? Sucking your breasts affects your ovulation??? Are you kidding ? (Only when the moon is right, I would expect.) Please don't tell me that the bible or some men's magazine says that men have some god-given right to get a thrill out of oolging women and fondling our breasts, or to make stupid sexist baby-babble titty-sucking sippy-cupping comments in the tags, and that women are then supposed to go 'oh, yes, baby, whatever turns YOU on, that's fine with me'? Puh-leeese.

I love my whole entire body. Every inch is an erogenous zone. The fact that men's magazines focus on and does not mean that we ought to accept it. Breasts are perfect for feeding our babies. Clits are where the action is, sexually, for women. You know that, right?

It's just Basic Woman 101.

allow me to make this simple for you. despite the fact the evil men find them attractive our breast are linked to our reproduction in a way that the rest of our bodies are not. try reading my post slowly. i said our breast are linked to our sexuality and reproduction in a way our toes or neck or hands or any other random body part you wish to name is.

Lactation or breastfeeding prevents the menstrual or ovarian cycle for the first few months after childbirth if the frequency of sucking is about 8-10 times per 24 hour period

.http://www.menstruation.com.au/breastfeeding/ovulationafterbreastfeeding.html

breast feeding affects ovulation. that would be a link to reproduction. men's magazines or the bible or what turns a man on is not a factor. it is just the way our body works. anger at me will not change that.

btw what phase of the moon are you in?

 

[southcitymom]

The idea of breastfeeding a 7 or 8 year old does make me go EEWWW, but I firmly believe it's a cultural bias that makes me react like that and nothing else. I really don't think this woman is sick or twisted, or that her children are abused or will end up maladjusted either. Breastfeeding is a good and natural thing, and prolonged breastfeeding for comfort isn't really a big deal. At 7 or 8 years old, it doesn't seem unusual for some children to need an extra level of comfort or emotional support and if breastfeeding does it for them, so what? The fact that this ended up on YouTube doesn't mean the mom placed it there. It sounded to me like it was from some sort of documentary.

I think we as a society are very squeamish about breastfeeding. I also think we value independence so highly, that the thought of keeping our children dependent, especially in such a physical manner, really repulses us.

What a great post - natasha-cupcake! It really sums up well what I tried, but was unable to, say!

 

[southcitymom]

But what about the adults who still suck their thumb? Would you consider it inherently harmful for adult children to still breastfeed?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2htt....shtml005/10/06/health/webmd/main921083.shtml

It's just a very comforting and calm feeling," Boyes says. "Nothing else I've ever done or experienced can give me that same feeling."

http://www.thumbsuckingadults.com/

BTW scm, I'm not trying to debate you. I find your posts some of the most interesting ones here on WS.

That's a great question! I think if you are still breastfeeding as an adult then you have a Mom who took "wean when you like" too far!! It reminds me of the lactating hooker in Shoot 'Em Up!! As an adult, I would consider it a fetish, but not a dangerous one.:blowkiss:

 

[kato]

I haven't read the whole thread but that's just plain GROSS!!!

 

[luthersmama]

I keep seeing references to "developing countries" and "other cultures" where this would be normal.

I can't think of a single culture where it is normal. In primitive cultures the kids are weaned when they are able to obtain their own food.

Anybody have an actual example of a culture where bf at 8 is normal?

3 or 4 years old - ok. Maybe even 5. But I'm unaware of anything later than that.

 

[imthemom]

I keep seeing references to "developing countries" and "other cultures" where this would be normal.

I can't think of a single culture where it is normal. In primitive cultures the kids are weaned when they are able to obtain their own food.

Anybody have an actual example of a culture where bf at 8 is normal?

3 or 4 years old - ok. Maybe even 5. But I'm unaware of anything later than that.

I think this is ewwww also. I breastfed both my children. My son was harder to wean and he was a year old. My daughter never really liked breast feeding and was about six months when we swithed to formula. I do know a long time ago they had wet nurses and these were not the mothers of the children but were there to breast feed a child usually of royalty and some as old as 8 or more. Also I know in poor countries it is not uncommon if they have no food for them to breastfeed their children way beyond the normal age. If my child was starving and I could give them breast milk I would even if they were 8. My cousin breastfed until he was 4. He could ask for it. The funny thing is he is a genius, tested with very high IQ. It runs in the family usually skipping one generation but he is the only one out of the cousins with the genius level IQ, LOL. Makes you wonder?

 

[JBean]

How exactly, for a woman, are breasts more sexual than any other part of our bodies? What about our clits? There's the source of sexual arousal for a woman. No matter what a man might be more turned on by.

Where are you getting this information from? Do you have a link? Sucking your breasts affects your ovulation??? Are you kidding ? (Only when the moon is right, I would expect.) Please don't tell me that the bible or some men's magazine says that men have some god-given right to get a thrill out of oolging women and fondling our breasts, or to make stupid sexist baby-babble titty-sucking sippy-cupping comments in the tags, and that women are then supposed to go 'oh, yes, baby, whatever turns YOU on, that's fine with me'? Puh-leeese.

I love my whole entire body. Every inch is an erogenous zone. The fact that men's magazines focus on and does not mean that we ought to accept it. Breasts are perfect for feeding our babies. Clits are where the action is, sexually, for women. You know that, right?

It's just Basic Woman 101.

Your posts are so hostile.
You are missing what Sherri is saying and she is absolutely correct regarding the breasts an their tie to ovulation.. That is why periods are suppressed during breastfeeding. The breasts and breasfeeding are very closely tied to our reproductive sysems.
Basic Woman 101

 

[Jeana (DP)]

How exactly, for a woman, are breasts more sexual than any other part of our bodies? What about our clits? There's the source of sexual arousal for a woman. No matter what a man might be more turned on by.

Where are you getting this information from? Do you have a link? Sucking your breasts affects your ovulation??? Are you kidding ? (Only when the moon is right, I would expect.) Please don't tell me that the bible or some men's magazine says that men have some god-given right to get a thrill out of oolging women and fondling our breasts, or to make stupid sexist baby-babble titty-sucking sippy-cupping comments in the tags, and that women are then supposed to go 'oh, yes, baby, whatever turns YOU on, that's fine with me'? Puh-leeese.

I love my whole entire body. Every inch is an erogenous zone. The fact that men's magazines focus on and does not mean that we ought to accept it. Breasts are perfect for feeding our babies. Clits are where the action is, sexually, for women. You know that, right?

It's just Basic Woman 101.

Let me guess. . . You're a sex education teacher, right?

 

[Linda7NJ]

How exactly, for a woman, are breasts more sexual than any other part of our bodies? What about our clits? There's the source of sexual arousal for a woman. No matter what a man might be more turned on by.

Where are you getting this information from? Do you have a link? Sucking your breasts affects your ovulation??? Are you kidding ? (Only when the moon is right, I would expect.) Please don't tell me that the bible or some men's magazine says that men have some god-given right to get a thrill out of looking women and fondling our breasts, or to make stupid sexist baby-babble titty-sucking sippy-cupping comments in the tags, and that women are then supposed to go 'oh, yes, baby, whatever turns YOU on, that's fine with me'? Puh-leeese.

I love my whole entire body. Every inch is an erogenous zone. The fact that men's magazines focus on and does not mean that we ought to accept it. Breasts are perfect for feeding our babies. Clits are where the action is, sexually, for women. You know that, right?

It's just Basic Woman 101.

I find your post inflammatory, rude and inappropriate

 

[southcitymom]

Your posts are so hostile....

They Truly are.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

oh lordy! That was......interesting?

 

[Mr. E]

I'm a big supporter of extended breastfeeding and child-led weaning, but I have to admit that I couldn't watch that youtube video because it kind of turned my stomach. I don't know why. I actually breastfed one of my kids until she was 4 (Mr. E is a woman); I know a woman who did it until her kid was 5. That was a little weird. But 8 -- when my kids were 8 they were so independent, becoming real little people, no longer needing mama all the time. Maybe that's why I find it so repugnant. Here's this 8-year-old girl who should be into school and friends and just being a kid, and she's still sucking on mama's breasts.

I have heard crazy things about breastfeeding that just aren't true. One girl told me that her mother said that breastmilk was contaminated, that pee was purer than breastmilk. Why would your body produce a food to nourish your infant and make that food inedible??

It is somewhat all about societal norms, I think, but that lady needs to get her kid involved in some sort of extracurricular activity that doesn't involve .