Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

[Karinna]

No, this one - you know ... the final one. Is that clear enough ?

Court Rules Against Brendan Dassey, Subject of ‘Making a Murderer’

I think it is good to have clarity for some of the new posters to the thread who might not know what you are talking about. And links are good too, so facts can be supported with them if we assert something as fact. All IMO.

 

[Sustained]

BBM, Does a bullet care what time of day it is when shot out of a gun?
Does a vehicle not have interior lights?
But it doesn't matter as i have stated numerous times because KZ does not have to prove what happened to TH,she only has to prove legal violations of Brady/Denny, that i believe she has proven according to what that means. So all the speculation is really a moot point.

BBM - do you know if TH's interior lights were working ? Do you know what state of mind SA was in the night TH was murdered ?

She hasn't proven anything yet as she has not gotten a sniff of an evidentiary hearing. All theories and fairy tales IMO ...

 

[Sustained]

I think it is good to have clarity for some of the new posters to the thread who might not know what you are talking about. And links are good too, so facts can be supported with them if we assert something as fact. All IMO.

Thanks for your advice and good luck with the crusade. I'll check back in a year or two.

 

[Karinna]

Thanks for your advice and good luck with the crusade. I'll check back in a year or two.

No problem, good luck,

 

[Karinna]

An interesting article about KZ that i read earlier .
(quote)
Whether Zellner can ‘solve’ who murdered Teresa Halbach remains to be seen. Indeed, as Zellner has made clear on more than one occasion, it is not her job to do so, but rather law enforcement’s—to which they ‘failed miserably. What is likely more pertinent to Avery however, is his attorney continuing to prove that the state’s narrative presented at trial was impossible, and that their key witnesses who helped bolster that narrative committed perjury on the stand.
Kathleen Zellner Takes To Twitter: What Next For Steven Avery?

 

[CoolJ]

What about the U.S. Circuit Court ? Personal vendetta against the Dasseys ? And the Supreme Court that wouldn’t hear the case ?

AEDPA - the only reason the full panel of 7th circuit overturned Duffins decision.

Duffin is also a federal judge. So by my count there are 5 federal judges who deemed the confession involuntary.
This is significant.

It was nothing more than a technicality that kept Brendan in prison.

But alas, Brendan and his lawyers still have many avenues to explore.

His story ain't over yet. Not by a long shot.

 

[CoolJ]

No, this one - you know ... the final one. Is that clear enough ?

Court Rules Against Brendan Dassey, Subject of ‘Making a Murderer’

If you think this is final for Brendan you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Sustained]

If you think this is final for Brendan you are sadly mistaken.

Is that your opinion based on fact or are you using your Ouija board ?

 

[Karinna]

If you think this is final for Brendan you are sadly mistaken.

Hi CoolJ, Yes you are right and Brendan does have further options
(quote)
Dassey could do several things.

Dassey could file another federal habeas corpus case. To do so, he must petition the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals for permission. If permission is granted, he could re-file his case with the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin. However, winning permission would be unlikely given the full panel of judges rejected Dassey’s first appeal. In the extremely extreme long shot that the 7th Circuit granted permission, the process would then start all over again in federal district court.

Dassey could also seek to legislatively change the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which is the current federal statute which lays out the parameters of habeas corpus law. This would also be extremely, extremely difficult, because Congress would have to agree politically that juvenile confessions — such as Dassey’s — are worthy of additional protection by the federal government. In the current political climate, that seems unlikely.
What if new evidence is found?

This could be the game changer, if it indeed occurs. Again, here, Dassey’s case may be tied to that of his uncle, Steven Avery. Avery’s post-conviction attorney claims another person really committed the murder of Teresa Halbach. However, that attorney, Kathleen Zellner, is not so much pressing for new evidence as she is claiming Avery’s trial attorneys were ineffective. That tactic would be unlikely to help Dassey in a broad legal sense — unless it uncovers new evidence along the way. We remain waiting to see if Zellner’s endeavors result in enough relevant evidence being uncovered to warrant an exoneration.
After Supreme Court Rejection, Here Are Brendan Dassey’s Options

 

[Karinna]

And also where is this case now headed with KZ's proof that certain State witnesses lied under oath at Trial and perjured themselves?
You can't fact find to a jury in proving how the victim died to prove your case based and founded on lies obviously.
Shouldn't the whole case and conviction be vacated?
I would sincerely hope so.

 

[Karinna]

Witnesses that lie under oath
Outcomes
Beyond the potential penalties a witness risks for themselves by not telling the truth while under oath, a lie on the stand can also result in serious legal consequences for other parties involved in the case. For example, a lie can result in a wrongful conviction and imprisonment if it acts as evidence for the plaintiff or prosecutor. It can also result in a case being dropped,even if the defendant is guilty. The perjury can also be used by either side of a case to argue a defect or mistake in the original trial. In these cases a retrial may be granted, costing both sides and the government a significant amount of time and money. The importance of truth when acting as a witness in a trial cannot be overstated. Not only can even a small lie result in serious fines or jail time for the witness, but the freedom, financial well being and even the lives of those involved may be at stake. For those that have been charged with perjury, it's important to contact a criminal lawyer as soon as possible for proper defense.
Witnesses Who Lie | Perjury | Witness

 

[CoolJ]

Is that your opinion based on fact or are you using your Ouija board ?

100% fact.

I guarantee you Brendan has other options.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

100% fact.

I guarantee you Brendan has other options.

There are pretty much always "other options" unless a person has died or been executed or something. You hear all the time about people who have been in prison for decades, used up all their appeals and still get out because of something new coming to light.

I consulted a Ouija board just now. It said "Brendan's confession was totally false, dude."
Hope that helps.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Witnesses that lie under oath
Outcomes
Beyond the potential penalties a witness risks for themselves by not telling the truth while under oath, a lie on the stand can also result in serious legal consequences for other parties involved in the case. For example, a lie can result in a wrongful conviction and imprisonment if it acts as evidence for the plaintiff or prosecutor. It can also result in a case being dropped,even if the defendant is guilty. The perjury can also be used by either side of a case to argue a defect or mistake in the original trial. In these cases a retrial may be granted, costing both sides and the government a significant amount of time and money. The importance of truth when acting as a witness in a trial cannot be overstated. Not only can even a small lie result in serious fines or jail time for the witness, but the freedom, financial well being and even the lives of those involved may be at stake. For those that have been charged with perjury, it's important to contact a criminal lawyer as soon as possible for proper defense.
Witnesses Who Lie | Perjury | Witness

Who is "Taskmasters Canada"?

 

[Karinna]

Who is "Taskmasters Canada"?

It states at the top of the article i posted from the Scribd link.
Sounds like they are a consultant on criminal cases that involve suspect testimony (court transcripts) or statements from witnesses.
It also states if you would like more information on how we can assist your legal team, and then gives the U.S. and Canada Toll Free phone number.

 

[Sustained]

100% fact.

I guarantee you Brendan has other options.

Death row inmates about to be executed have options as well. They can ask for anything they want to eat as a last meal.

 

[Sustained]

There are pretty much always "other options" unless a person has died or been executed or something. You hear all the time about people who have been in prison for decades, used up all their appeals and still get out because of something new coming to light.

I consulted a Ouija board just now. It said "Brendan's confession was totally false, dude."
Hope that helps.

Better get your Ouija board repaired ... "dude".

 

[Karinna]

Has anyone read the new book by John Ferak with the title Wrecking Crew? Demolishing The Case Against Steven Avery.

 

[CoolJ]

Death row inmates about to be executed have options as well. They can ask for anything they want to eat as a last meal.

Crooked cops and corrupt prosecutors have options as well. They can speak up and come clean about the immoral crimes they have committed. Ya know, do the right thing for once... it’s called integrity.

 

[missy1974]

Has anyone read the new book by John Ferak with the title Wrecking Crew? Demolishing The Case Against Steven Avery.

I think it just came out today!