British Bella May Culley 18, missing from Thailand, arrested in Georgia, May 2025

  • #521
No, it wouldn't. Georgian citizenship is based on jus sanguinis, ie the law of blood.

  1. Acquiring Georgian citizenship by birth
  • a person, at whose birth one of his/her parents is a Georgian citizen;
  • a person born on the territory of Georgia through extracorporeal fertilization (surrogacy), if the country of citizenship of neither of his/her parents recognises this person as its citizen;
  • a child born in the territory of Georgia to persons having a status of stateless person in Georgia;
  • a person born on the territory of Georgia, one of whose parents has a status of a stateless person in Georgia and the other parent is unknown.

The baby will however automatically receive British citizenship by being born to a British parent outside the UK.

Law of blood. Interesting phrase.
 
  • #522
Law of blood. Interesting phrase.
Not really. There are two main approaches to acquiring citizenship of a country at birth.

One (jus sanguinis and leges sanguinis) is that you can be born almost anywhere providing one of your parents is a citizen of the relevant country. Jus sanguinis - Wikipedia /

The other (jus soli) is that citizenship is gained simply by being born in the country of that citizenship and can be exploited for birth tourism. Jus soli - Wikipedia

In practice it can be complicated as some countries either operate a hybrid system or have changed the basis for claiming citizenship over time with some legacy provisions in place.
 
  • #523
No, it wouldn't. Georgian citizenship is based on jus sanguinis, ie the law of blood.

  1. Acquiring Georgian citizenship by birth
  • a person, at whose birth one of his/her parents is a Georgian citizen;
  • a person born on the territory of Georgia through extracorporeal fertilization (surrogacy), if the country of citizenship of neither of his/her parents recognises this person as its citizen;
  • a child born in the territory of Georgia to persons having a status of stateless person in Georgia;
  • a person born on the territory of Georgia, one of whose parents has a status of a stateless person in Georgia and the other parent is unknown.

The baby will however automatically receive British citizenship by being born to a British parent outside the UK.


Fab so baby will have British Nationality. Therefore child services will be able to support family in looking after the baby once born. MOO
 
  • #524
Fab so baby will have British Nationality. Therefore child services will be able to support family in looking after the baby once born. MOO
That assumes that the Georgian authorities are prepared to release it to the UK authorities immediately following the birth. This is outside my personal experience but I am under the impression that it's not at all good for a baby to be removed immediately from its mother. There's a very good chance, therefore, that the baby will remain with its mother for quite some time.
 
  • #525
That assumes that the Georgian authorities are prepared to release it to the UK authorities immediately following the birth. This is outside my personal experience but I am under the impression that it's not at all good for a baby to be removed immediately from its mother. There's a very good chance, therefore, that the baby will remain with its mother for quite some time.
I agree, babies only need mothers arms, breast and soothing voice. They don't emerge from her womb able to just swim away, like fishes.

JMO

ETA: I also think Georgia officials may release her on compassionate grounds when the baby is older. But they can't release her too soon, because the drug smugglers who paid her will just start recruiting pregnant women, telling them they'll get out of jail quickly if caught.
 
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  • #526
I agree, babies only need mothers arms, breast and soothing voice. They don't emerge from her womb able to just swim away, like fishes.

JMO

ETA: I also think Georgia officials may release her once on compassionate grounds when the baby is older. But they can't release her too soon, because the drug smugglers who paid her will just start using pregnant women, telling them they'll get out of jail quickly if caught.
I agree best place for babies is with mum. I guess it depends on the conditions where mum and baby would stay whilst she serves her sentence. It simply might not be safe for baby to remain with her.
 
  • #527
215K pounds?
Is it like the price of a house in the UK? 🤔
My parents own a 4 bedroom semi-detached house in Billingham (I’m actually driving up to visit them for the weekend tomorrow 🙂) and it’s worth about £170k.
 
  • #528
I agree best place for babies is with mum. I guess it depends on the conditions where mum and baby would stay whilst she serves her sentence. It simply might not be safe for baby to remain with her.
I don't know much about Georgia. Are the prisons really bad? Facilities for women are usually much better than for men.
 
  • #529
I agree, babies only need mothers arms, breast and soothing voice. They don't emerge from her womb able to just swim away, like fishes.

JMO

ETA: I also think Georgia officials may release her on compassionate grounds when the baby is older. But they can't release her too soon, because the drug smugglers who paid her will just start recruiting pregnant women, telling them they'll get out of jail quickly if caught.

good point. And if it CAN happen, it will happen.
 
  • #530
Can anyone simply buy their way out of jail/prison in Georgia? Is that how the system works?
It sound like in this case they're offering her the option of paying a fine. Because she's a foreigner/pregnant.

It's not unknown in my country, if you can't pay a fine eg car accident or fraud, you have to serve jail/community service time.

IMO, they make the fine large to deter others. This case is getting a lot of publicity, I hope it works.

ETA: I wonder if her bosses paid her in advance...
 
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