Buffy Sainte-Marie speaks out regarding questions of Cree ancestry, Oct 2023

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  • #81
Her life seems to have been dedicated to the cause of bettering the lives of first nation people.

I doubt that she is super rich. I wouldn't say she was ever a mega star.

Even though I loved her early music, she was not exactly mainstream. A lot of my favourites are not mainstream.
I don't care how many hits they have or whether they're hugely popular.

So I don't think she has enriched herself at the expense of anyone else.
 
  • #82
Same here! I was so angry at the Fifth Estate until I actually watched the program.

The CBC has endlessly celebrated her up until yesterday. And even with the exposé they tried to highlight the good she has done.

Her poor parents, this must have destroyed them.

I’m not much impressed with CBC but if I were to rant, I’d be going off topic.
 
  • #83
I just watched the 5th Estate investigation into Buffy Sainte Marie. She was born in Massachusetts to English and Italian parents. She is not Canadian. She is not Indigenous. By claiming to be Indigenous and Canadian, she received special funding and privilege reserved for Indigenous people. She cheated Indigenous people out of opportunity intended to support and promote Indigenous people of Canada.

She is not a nice person. When her older brother tried to tell people that she is neither Canadian nor Indigenous, she threatened to publicly accuse him of being a sex offender.

Over the last few years, Indigenous people of Canada have investigated several prominent people who, in part, achieved success by pretending to be Indigenous. It is a widespread problem where non-Indigenous people exploited Indigenous people for personal profit and gain.

5th Estate: Buffy Sainte Marie

I thought she was adopted? Didn't her parents tell her that? I thought she was just repeating what she had been told growing up.
 
  • #84
But being indigenous is not always about how you look.

I am a pale, blonde, freckled woman and if I pull into a reservation gas station to fill up, they always ask if I have a Treaty card. (No tax if yes)

Its possible to have a 1/4 genetic match but look like the other 3/4 of the family.

If you watched the 5th Estate show, one of the ladies speaking at the end is Métis but looks (to me) white.
Yes, race isn't always obvious/visible with mixed people. I am 1/4 Filipino 3/4 Anglo Saxon white. Some people clock my Asian side instantly and ask if I am half x ethnicity (usually Korean). Some people think I'm part Mexican. Some people think I am 100% Nordic white. Mostly people think I am Eastern European or West Asian :p

IMO in this instance it is very clear though that, setting aside Buffy's appearance, she is definitely lying about her race and background. It is really fascinating and horrifying to me that she was able to have enough, I guess passion? to keep up the charade for 60 YEARS.
 
  • #85
In thought she was adopted?
She claimed to have been adopted from Canada by adoptive mom Winifred and adoptive dad Albert Santamaria and raised in Massachusetts. CBC investigated and found they were her birth parents and she was born and raised in Massachusetts. And that she has an Italian birth father and English birth mother and her full blood sister's DNA test showed she is white.
 
  • #86
Yes, race isn't always obvious/visible with mixed people. I am 1/4 Filipino 3/4 Anglo Saxon white. Some people clock my Asian side instantly and ask if I am half x ethnicity (usually Korean). Some people think I'm part Mexican. Some people think I am 100% Nordic white. Mostly people think I am Eastern European or West Asian :p

IMO in this instance it is very clear though that, setting aside Buffy's appearance, she is definitely lying about her race and background. It is really fascinating and horrifying to me that she was able to have enough, I guess passion? to keep up the charade for 60 YEARS.

I think the pay was good too!

Im English and Scots but I always get asked for my Treaty card at the gas station.
 
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  • #87
Her life seems to have been dedicated to the cause of bettering the lives of first nation people.

I doubt that she is super rich. I wouldn't say she was ever a mega star.

Even though I loved her early music, she was not exactly mainstream. A lot of my favourites are not mainstream.
I don't care how many hits they have or whether they're hugely popular.

So I don't think she has enriched herself at the expense of anyone else.
What she did to her family was cruel. She created a persona for herself that was a lie.
 
  • #88
That didn't take long, Wikipedia has updated her ancestry.


Viewing the history of revisions is interesting. Seems there have been some revisions not allowed due it being seen as disparaging the Wikipedia subject.

Good to see they have some standards.
 
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“The acting chief of Piapot First Nation says his community will not turn its back on Buffy Sainte-Marie after an investigation by CBC's The Fifth Estate revealed information that contradicts the songwriter's claims to Indigenous ancestry.

"I can relate and understand to a lot of our people who feel betrayed and in a sense lied to by her claiming Indigenous ancestry, when in fact she may not be Indigenous," said Ira Lavallee.

"When it comes to Buffy specifically we can't pick and choose which part of our culture we decide to adhere to.… We do have one of our families in our community that did adopt her. Regardless of her ancestry, that adoption in our culture to us is legitimate."….

…Lavalee said the information in the investigation is new and a shock, but it does not change his mind.

"The majority of us in our community, my generation, we've lived our entire lives knowing Buffy as she is, as she was," said Lavallee…”

"She is a part of her community. She spent time in her community."
 
  • #90
She claimed to have been adopted from Canada by adoptive mom Winifred and adoptive dad Albert Santamaria and raised in Massachusetts. CBC investigated and found they were her birth parents and she was born and raised in Massachusetts. And that she has an Italian birth father and English birth mother and her full blood sister's DNA test showed she is white.

Thanks. I see this now having read through the thread.

Her parents are dead I assume, and not able to clear the air as to whether they lied to their birth daughter and told her she was Canadian FN and adopted. So she's doubled down on her story and basically throwing her parents under the bus. Nice.
 
  • #91
That didn't take long, Wikipedia has updated her ancestry.


Viewing the history of revisions is interesting. Seems there have been some revisions not allowed due it being seen as disparaging the Wikipedia subject.

Good to see they have some standards.

except they should have deleted or questioned the info in the first paragraph under personal life that they took from her personal bio where she claimed to be a residential school survivor stolen from her Indigenous family

because she wasn't - because at the age of 2 or 3, it would've been 1942/43 and that travesty started in the mid 50's - so that has been all a hoax too
 
  • #92
This is where the murkiness enters as her Saskatchewan adopted aboriginal family isn’t distancing themselves from her, actually quite the opposite.

“Ntawnis Piapot, speaking for the family, says the bombshell claim that Sainte-Marie has no Indigenous blood has no bearing on her belonging to the Cree family.

Piapot is the great-granddaughter of Emile Piapot and Clara Starblanket, both deceased, who adopted Sainte-Marie some six decades ago.

Piapot says Sainte-Marie connected with the Piapot First Nation after she met her grandfather at a powwow in Ontario.

“There was just things that kind of lined up to her story too,” she told Global News.

“My grandparents had 10 children and some of them died because of the Indian Act system, because they couldn’t get proper health care on the reserve and so she was at that age where one of their children passed away and they kind of connected on that.

The adoption process, it took years — it took days and months and years of getting to know each other and trusting each other and going to ceremony and getting her Indian name (from my mushum) to finally look at her and be like, I acknowledge you as my daughter, you’re officially part of our family.”.

It was done in Cree custom and while Sainte-Marie didn’t claimed proof of blood relations, she is accepted as kin because of that ceremony.

“It’s really insulting that someone would question my great grandfather’s choice and right to adopt Buffy as his daughter,” Piapot said.…”
 
  • #93
except they should have deleted or questioned the info in the first paragraph under personal life that they took from her personal bio where she claimed to be a residential school survivor stolen from her Indigenous family

because she wasn't - because at the age of 2 or 3, it would've been 1942/43 and that travesty started in the mid 50's - so that has been all a hoax too

Residential schools in Canada actually date back to the late 1800s. I think perhaps you’re thinking of the “60s scoop” when social services took newborn babies from their mothers and placed them in white foster homes. So I’d agree, that story is highly doubtful as BSM would’ve been far too old to be ‘scooped’, considering her birth in Mass was registered in 1941.

JMO
 
  • #94
Whatever turns out to be true, her music became a big part of my life when I came across it in the 60s.

I don't really care if it turned out she was from Mars.

For me her ancestry never played a part in my loving her music.
Cancel Culture is terrible
 
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  • #95
Crazy how this spun out of control.
 
  • #96
Crazy how BSM was able to pretend to be Native for decades and enrich herself by doing so/take from others that which she was not entitled to/perpetrate an enormous fraud against Canada.
 
  • #97
This is where the murkiness enters as her Saskatchewan adopted aboriginal family isn’t distancing themselves from her, actually quite the opposite.

“Ntawnis Piapot, speaking for the family, says the bombshell claim that Sainte-Marie has no Indigenous blood has no bearing on her belonging to the Cree family.

Piapot is the great-granddaughter of Emile Piapot and Clara Starblanket, both deceased, who adopted Sainte-Marie some six decades ago.

Piapot says Sainte-Marie connected with the Piapot First Nation after she met her grandfather at a powwow in Ontario.

“There was just things that kind of lined up to her story too,” she told Global News.

“My grandparents had 10 children and some of them died because of the Indian Act system, because they couldn’t get proper health care on the reserve and so she was at that age where one of their children passed away and they kind of connected on that.

The adoption process, it took years — it took days and months and years of getting to know each other and trusting each other and going to ceremony and getting her Indian name (from my mushum) to finally look at her and be like, I acknowledge you as my daughter, you’re officially part of our family.”.

It was done in Cree custom and while Sainte-Marie didn’t claimed proof of blood relations, she is accepted as kin because of that ceremony.

“It’s really insulting that someone would question my great grandfather’s choice and right to adopt Buffy as his daughter,” Piapot said.…”

I’m not directing this at you, but at the response: That’s not the issue. No one is questioning the Piapot’s choice to accept her as an adult. They and Buffy are diverting the topic.

It’s her origin story that is completely false. The Fifth Estate program is a must watch if anyone wants to understand the controversy.

They showed in her own words that:

-Buffy has repeatedly said she was part of the Sixties Scoop, taken as an infant from a Canadian reserve and adopted out to a family in the US.

-she said her FN birth mother died. She has told several different versions of how and when she died.

-in various interviews she claimed to have come from different tribes in vastly different parts of Canada.

-that her birth certificate was destroyed in a fire, she didn’t know her birth date.

-she grew up knowing she was FN and felt ostracized and felt prejudice being in such a white community.

Then they proved:

-she was born in Massachusetts to her biological parents that raised her. She is part English and Italian, zero percent FN.

-The Sixties Scoop started about ten years after her birth, and had nothing to do with her.

-she not only has her birth certificate, she used it and provided a copy of it when she got married. It clearly states her place of birth as Massachusetts and her birth parents’ names. She is described as white on all official documents.

-she grew up in a nice Italian-American home that even now she describes as loving. They never understood why she was perpetuating a false narrative, but felt powerless to stop her. They were hurt by it because they felt abandoned.

-When she started doing press, her Massachusetts family contacted them to say that her claims about being FN and taken from a reserve were completely false. In response she threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and told her brother that if he spoke up she’d claim that he was a pedophile—something completely unsubstantiated. He was an Air Force and then a commercial pilot who was respected and close to her until that point.

That is just the tip of the iceberg from the show. They did extensive research and they played many different clips of Buffy describing her untrue origin story and it’s different each time. She didn’t claim to be FN until her early 20s when she was starting out as a singer. It became a big part of her act and she billed herself as an ‘Indian’ singer.

She had claimed at one point that her imaginary FN mother was from the Piapot FN and visited them when she had gained some fame. One childless couple ‘adopted’ her as an adult. She continued telling her story of how she was adopted out and then back into the Piapot FN until very recently where she said she was only adopted *in*.

The awards and incentives she received were set aside for Indigenous people, so she took what wasn’t hers. She has done great advocacy work for Indigenous people, but at the same time has talked about the ‘trauma’ she herself experienced from the white community.
 
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  • #99
This is NOT a case of Cancel Culture. At. All.

This is BSM being a Pretendian.
Its ok to disagree. JMO it sounds like someone’s personal vendetta.
 
  • #100
This Globe and Mail article is very thoughtfully written.

“An important part of the discussion is: Who is Indigenous and who isn’t, and who can make that assessment? There are few things more personal to a person and a people than their identity and culture. Many say identity is a community issue. Who has more authority to best judge who is in our family and who isn’t? The Piapot family has taken great pains to point out they adopted Sainte-Marie back in the early 1960s. Because of that, she is a treasured and loved member of the family. Nobody is arguing that, I believe. In the First Nations community, family is family is family….

…..On Twitter/X, many have argued that Sainte-Marie is in her eighties, a respected and honoured elder whose work for the Indigenous people of Turtle Island cannot be forgotten. It would take at least a dozen or more brilliant Indigenous artists combined to make it halfway up Mt. Buffy. So, they argue, the good people of CBC should let it and her pass. The world is a much better place with Buffy in it.

Others argue pretendians are “trying to erase us by replacing us.”

As I mentioned, this is all so complex.

To understand the true scope of Buffy’s Indigenous appeal, I remember reading about an encounter with her in David Suzuki’s autobiography. Back in another century, he was putting together a massive concert to promote the old-growth forest in British Columbia’s Stein Valley. All types of musical celebrities were there including Buffy Sainte-Marie. He writes about the how the audience, a substantial amount who were Indigenous, just went crazy when she took stage. It was then he understood the impact this woman had upon the people of the land. They were enthralled. There was no other word for it other than a complete and shared love.…”
 
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