Burke did NOT kill JonBenet

[Swirlz]

Could you bring an example of that statement to illustrate better what you mean? What do you know of that he said or did that had fooled the investigators?

Steve Thomas quote from after having witnessed the Dr. Bernhard/Det. Schuller interviews, "I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night."

Snipped from Human Services ‘Evaluation of the Child’ report, referring to Dr. Bernhard's interview: ”From the interview it is clear that Burke was not a witness to JonBenét’s death.

Det. Patterson quoted, "He [Burke] only knew that his sister was missing. He had no idea. I never brought the subject up to him. He never mentioned it. He knew that his sister was missing. He appeared to be very outgoing. He appeared to be very forward and he appeared to be completely honest. I got no indication he was holding back anything. He didn’t witness anything."

Linda Arndt quote, Arndt witnessed the Dr. Bernhard interview, "It was clear that John had killed JonBenet."

 

[Swirlz]

For example, the interviews conducted by police with BR in Atlanta in 1998 was 6 hours, spread out over three days at 2 hours each. This allows the interviewer to ask more in depth and thorough questions which may involve a wider scope. It also allows the interviewer (and those who may be observing) the opportunity to better assess things such as body language, response to certain questions, overall demeanor, inconsistencies in the story, unusual non-verbal and verbal behavior, etc. It's much more than just what questions are being asked in order to get some basic facts.

O.k., well, they didn't think he did it.

 

[CloudedTruth]

O.k., well, they didn't think he did it.

I am in agreement with their assessment.

 

[Maat99]

There is a difference between lying and keeping a secret IMO. For BR to maintain this secret, he would need to actively, consistently and convincingly lie in the face of repeated direct questions or conversation with le, friends, and trusted adults over years as a child. That is very different from deciding not to reveal a secret about something no one may even know to ask about. Jmo

 

[Ponytale]

Steve Thomas quote from after having witnessed the Dr. Bernhard/Det. Schuller interviews, "I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night."

OK. But how does this quote prove that (quoted) "he successfully fooled trained investigators into believing he was innocent" ?
What part of this statement actually proves that there was any fooling happening, if there is a possibility that he really "had no idea what had happened that night" - just like Dr. Barnhard stated.

A possibility - He really had no idea what had happened that night because he was sent away to bed after the accident and he stayed in his room the whole night.

Snipped from Human Services ‘Evaluation of the Child’ report, referring to Dr. Bernhard's interview: ”From the interview it is clear that Burke was not a witness to JonBenét’s death.

Same question here - how should this quote explain that he has fooled anyone? If he really did not witness JonBenets death then this is a correct statement, isn't it?

A possibility - It is clear that Burke was not a witness to JonBenet's death because he was not a witness to Jonbenet's death when she was strangled in the basement.

Det. Patterson quoted, "He [Burke] only knew that his sister was missing. He had no idea. I never brought the subject up to him. He never mentioned it. He knew that his sister was missing. He appeared to be very outgoing. He appeared to be very forward and he appeared to be completely honest. I got no indication he was holding back anything. He didn’t witness anything."

Does this statement somehow prove that he fooled the detectives into thinking so? How?

A possibility - Burke only knew that his sister was missing because that is what he was told by his parents in the morning when they came to get him from his room and John told him that JonBenet is missing. He knew only of the kidnapping.

I know all the above statements very well and I believe all those statements are true. Neither of them, IMO, point out or prove that Burke actually knew what happened but "fooled" the investigators to believe that he did not know. Because if he really did not know of nothing he did not need to fool anyone into thinking he did not know nothing.

Why would we need to suspect of any fooling?

And why are all those three possibilities, that actually match what the detectives have stated, so hard to be considered to be possibilities?

Is it just me?

 

[Ponytale]

There is a difference between lying and keeping a secret IMO. For BR to maintain this secret, he would need to actively, consistently and convincingly lie in the face of repeated direct questions or conversation with le, friends, and trusted adults over years as a child. That is very different from deciding not to reveal a secret about something no one may even know to ask about. Jmo

It may not be that hard if it is a topic that he never talks about.
I just posted this, so a quote:

From an internet article form US Weekly magazine :
“Burke doesn’t talk about the case. Ever. He doesn’t talk about JonBenét at all. It’s not a topic of conversation among the family, and he never volunteers anything about her,” the insider revealed to Us.

"JonBenét is the only topic Burke won’t speak on, with the insider adding, “That’s not on the table. If we were to bring it up, he’d just shut down. He doesn’t want to talk about that. Ever.”

Looks like he made up his mind about that a long time ago. I guess it's not too hard form to blabber about anything then... IMO.

 

[GRT]

Just to reiterate the point; Dr. Bernhard clearly felt BR had been exposed to or had experienced abuse. She did NOT believe BR to be the killer.

And to address the comments upthread about kids being able to keep secrets; yeah, they can. But this kid managed to do more than JUST NOT TELL ANYONE. He successfully fooled trained investigators into believing he was innocent, the SAME investigators who did not believe the denials of JR/PR.

Right, there was no indication Burke was the killer.

But, more than that, there's no indication the "person" being assisted in the GJ true bills was Burke. The true bill cited assisting someone who committed first degree murder. Legally, that someone could not have been Burke because Burke was too young for that charge.

And, if the GJ believed it was Burke and the BPD believed it as well, the investigation would have ended at that point. It went on for more than two more decades and is still going on.

I think it's fair to say that while there are many theories out there, the one about BDI and a parental coverup just doesn't mesh. At least not with the facts of the case.

All MOO

 

[Bekind89]

I have not seen anyone writing about a theory where they believe John is 100% innocent and Burke did it all (including SA) 100% all by himself. Or if, they are in a minority. People here discuss on many different theories and possibilities of what could have happened.

I for one do not see John as innocent. I believe he could be behind the SA. What I struggle with is if he did it also during the point of staging the crime, because I have not seen clear evidence of it. Yes there was blood and acute SA, but it could have also come from SA that occurred that night but some time before the staging part. It is a possibility.

IMO the biggest reason why I believe Burkes involvement is that there is staging and cover up done for the crime. Yes it could be done to cover up for each other too and I have never argued that. I just believe that it was done to cover up for Burke.

It is all my opinion and I am not here to persuade anyone to start believing the same. I accept and respect other theories and debate with them in a friendly manner. So I would just like to believe that we can all here feel free to discuss our theories, no matter if we think alike or not.

I believe JR did this, I always have. But that is nothing more than my gut feeling because it could have been PR or BR.
It is greatly appreciated when we can accept that we have differing opinions and still respect each other.

 

[Swirlz]

I believe JR did this, I always have. But that is nothing more than my gut feeling because it could have been PR or BR.
It is greatly appreciated when we can accept that we have differing opinions and still respect each other.

I'm not trying to be difficult at all but how is the theory of JR's involvement "nothing more than" a "gut" feeling? The guy's fibers literally link directly to SA. The first detective to arrive at the scene happened to be an experienced sex crimes investigator. She stated in a sworn depo that she believed JR perpetrated "incest" and murder. JBR's bedroom is a floor below the master bedroom and on the opposite side of the hall from the other child with a staircase leading from right beside her bedroom door up to the master bedroom bathroom. The guy kept a photo collage of pics of his deceased 22 yr. old including pics of her in her cheerleading uniform in his shower. I get it that we don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt but how the heck did the preferred theory of the case became that a 9 yr. old child did this?

 

[Bekind89]

I'm not trying to be difficult at all but how is the theory of JR's involvement "nothing more than" a "gut" feeling? The guy's fibers literally link directly to SA. The first detective to arrive at the scene happened to be an experienced sex crimes investigator. She stated in a sworn depo that she believed JR perpetrated "incest" and murder. JBR's bedroom is a floor below the master bedroom and on the opposite side of the hall from the other child with a staircase leading from right beside her bedroom door up to the master bedroom bathroom. The guy kept a photo collage of pics of his deceased 22 yr. old including pics of her in her cheerleading uniform in his shower. I get it that we don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt but how the heck did the preferred theory of the case became that a 9 yr. old child did this?

I understand, but wasn't PR's fibers also found on JB? The garrotte?
This is why I feel this case is unsolvable.

 

[GRT]

Det. Patterson quoted, "He [Burke] only knew that his sister was missing. He had no idea. I never brought the subject up to him. He never mentioned it. He knew that his sister was missing. He appeared to be very outgoing. He appeared to be very forward and he appeared to be completely honest. I got no indication he was holding back anything. He didn’t witness anything."

RSBM for focus

And this is probably the best Burke interview that took place. This was before he sensed his family was in the crosshairs.

This was when he was the most open and unguarded.

After all the media attention, he would have naturally closed down. He would have heard his parents talking in worried tones, and it would have worried him.

Who knows why the Whites' mother falsely claimed to be Burke's grandmother? But it's probably for the best in the long run because it showed a little boy without knowledge of his sister being injured.

There's no evidence Burke was involved in any way. I think I'll go with Occam's Razor on this one.

 

[Bekind89]

I understand, but wasn't PR's fibers also found on JB? The garrotte?
This is why I feel this case is unsolvable.

This is why I have always believed JR it guilty of this crime.

 

[GRT]

I understand, but wasn't PR's fibers also found on JB? The garrotte?
This is why I feel this case is unsolvable.

I think it's solvable. I think the new DNA technology will point to the killer.

 

[Swirlz]

I understand, but wasn't PR's fibers also found on JB? The garrotte?
This is why I feel this case is unsolvable.

PR could've handled the cord and handed it to JR or PR could've been pushed into a psychotic state triggered by cancer medications and the stress of suspecting SA by JR and done the strangulation.

 

[GRT]

I'm not trying to be difficult at all but how is the theory of JR's involvement "nothing more than" a "gut" feeling? The guy's fibers literally link directly to SA.

Actually, they didn't. The fibers were a "match" to a black wool sweater JR hadn't worn yet. But they didn't find any of JBR's DNA on that sweater. Plus, what they matched was "black wool." Nothing more. The reason that never went anywhere is because anything made from black wool was also a match, and black wool is very common.

The first detective to arrive at the scene happened to be an experienced sex crimes investigator. She stated in a sworn depo that she believed JR perpetrated "incest" and murder. JBR's bedroom is a floor below the master bedroom and on the opposite side of the hall from the other child with a staircase leading from right beside her bedroom door up to the master bedroom bathroom. The guy kept a photo collage of pics of his deceased 22 yr. old including pics of her in her cheerleading uniform in his shower. I get it that we don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt but how the heck did the preferred theory of the case became that a 9 yr. old child did this?

I think Arndt was just covering her butt--trying to cast the aspersions that landed on her elsewhere. Plus, statistics tell us that if a child dies in their own home, the perp is most likely a friend or family member.

But, not always.

 

[GRT]

PR could've handled the cord and handed it to JR or PR could've been pushed into a psychotic state triggered by cancer medications and the stress of suspecting SA by JR and done the strangulation.

I think one of the reasons JR is pushing so hard for the new DNA testing is to finally know if PR was involved. He stood by her, and I don't think she was involved, but until now, the technology to separate the composite DNA hasn't been possible. Now it is and once separated, they can put the DNA through the genetic database. Or, compare it to DNA they've already tested.

 

[Swirlz]

Actually, they didn't. The fibers were a "match" to a black wool sweater JR hadn't worn yet. But they didn't find any of JBR's DNA on that sweater. Plus, what they matched was "black wool." Nothing more. The reason that never went anywhere is because anything made from black wool was also a match, and black wool is very common.

The fibers landed in the vulva and underpants crotch of a child who's body was clad in size 12 underpants. No, she couldn't have been walking around in those, she wouldn't have been able to walk in them, she could've easily pulled them up to her armpits. PR said she didn't notice them when she put JBR to bed that night.

I think Arndt was just covering her butt--trying to cast the aspersions that landed on her elsewhere. Plus, statistics tell us that if a child dies in their own home, the perp is most likely a friend or family member.

But, not always.

Parts of Linda Arndt's report were redacted but she catalogued a series of creepy behaviors by JR. He laughed and joked while waiting for the "kidnapper" to call, he didn't comfort PR who was hysterical and being consoled by friends in another room, he made a beeline to the basement when asked to search the house from top to bottom, he carried the body up and away from himself, he made crying noises while looking around to see who was watching but produced no tears, he asked if JBR was dead although the smell of decomp was present which meant she was clearly dead, he asked to cover the body but proceeded to toss a throw cover on top of her before waiting for a response and when told about the completion of the autopsy he asked no questions.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

This is why I have always believed JR it guilty of this crime.

So you believe that it is more plausible to explain away the DNA from saliva of an unknown male that was found mixed with JonBenet’s blood on JonBenet’s underwear (in addition, to the same unknown male DNA found on the band of her long johns and underwear) than it is to explain how fibers of clothing of the family members that were with her all night and carried her upstairs were found on a piece of duct tape that was pulled off and left on the basement floor?

 

[Bean&Cheese]

The fibers landed in the vulva and underpants crotch of a child who's body was clad in size 12 underpants. No, she couldn't have been walking around in those, she wouldn't have been able to walk in them, she could've easily pulled them up to her armpits. PR said she didn't notice them when she put JBR to bed that night.

Parts of Linda Arndt's report were redacted but she catalogued a series of creepy behaviors by JR. He laughed and joked while waiting for the "kidnapper" to call, he didn't comfort PR who was hysterical and being consoled by friends in another room, he made a beeline to the basement when asked to search the house from top to bottom, he carried the body up and away from himself, he made crying noises while looking around to see who was watching but produced no tears, he asked if JBR was dead although the smell of decomp was present which meant she was clearly dead, he asked to cover the body but proceeded to toss a throw cover on top of her before waiting for a response and when told about the completion of the autopsy he asked no questions.

Reactions to finding the murdered body of your child is subject to complete interpretation. What would have been more compelling is if PR or JR referred to her in past tense or as dead before her body was found- that never occurred. Perhaps JR just wanted to think and needed space to think and wasn’t able to comfort PR in that time. None of this is “evidence” to me.

 

[Chypre]

I get it that we don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt but how the heck did the preferred theory of the case became that a 9 yr. old child did this?

In my personal opinion, I think this happened when the 911 recording was reported to have Burke, speaking and awake at the time of the call.