Burke did NOT kill JonBenet

[AddieBoo]

That is a rumor. A few fibers from Patsy’s jacket were found on the duct tape that John had ripped off and put on the basement floor. JonBenet SHOULD have had fibers from her jacket on her (JBR) because she was with her all night and helped put her to bed. Just as the argument can be made for “transfer” DNA, so can it be for the fibers.

IIRC those exact fibers were “interwoven” into the knots on the ligature and were identified in numerous places in that wine room as well as her tool box.

 

[AddieBoo]

The housekeeper is a nut.

She is a valuable witness that one could easily conclude, the Grand Jury believed.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

IIRC those exact fibers were “interwoven” into the knots on the ligature and were identified in numerous places in that wine room as well as her tool box.

Do you have a link?

 

[furbabies]

Ok.
But the UM1 DNA was found only on the waistband of the long johns. If he wore gloves, how could his arm also touch the waistband leaving DNA behind? Unless he was wearing a T-shirt in the middle of December. The basement was not a hot room... And if he did wear a T-shirt, his skin cells and arm hairs should have shed from his arms touching on other places on her body too, not only the tiny part on her long johns waistband. IMO.
I mean, he also redressed her, wiped her down, carried her into the basement and later into the wine cellar. And while writing the RN he also must have touched the paper/pad with his bare arm that was not covered by a glove (imagine yourself sitting and writing on a A4 format paper) but there was nothing found there...

But I agree, it is a possibility as long as it is proven otherwise. I'm just trying to make sense of it... because it is hard to do.

If she used her fingernails somewhere on him then there would have been the same UM1 match DNA found there, but there was not.

I do not believe that any of the Ramsey's were searched for scratches or bruises. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

why did the intruder /killer use patsys note paper on hall table to write ransom notes...surely if he intended on ransom he would have brought his own???

 

[furbabies]

Do you have a link?

the testing of the gorot ties is the key why dont they send them for figg testing, cc moore wants them so does othram ...yet the police and gov of colarado do not submitt them for figg????? the creeps not on codis so figg testing is the answer, they can find killer with cases 60 years old so this should not be a problem....cc moor would create a family tree and catch the sick sod/.

 

[furbabies]

the testing of the gorot ties is the key why dont they send them for figg testing, cc moore wants them so does othram ...yet the police and gov of colarado do not submitt them for figg????? the creeps not on codis so figg testing is the answer, they can find killer with cases 60 years old so this should not be a problem....cc moor would create a family tree and catch the sick evil.

 

[GRT]

why did the intruder /killer use patsys note paper on hall table to write ransom notes...surely if he intended on ransom he would have brought his own???

Some speculate the killer entered the house while the Ramseys were gone to the party and spent hours wandering around. The note might have been an afterthought--maybe he felt it would confuse the family and LE--and perhaps buy him some time after he killed JBR, which was undoubtedly his plan all along. MOO

 

[furbabies]

Some speculate the killer entered the house while the Ramseys were gone to the party and spent hours wandering around. The note might have been an afterthought--maybe he felt it would confuse the family and LE--and perhaps buy him some time after he killed JBR, which was undoubtedly his plan all along. MOO

but to intend to kidnap it was a purpose event , so he should have had his own ransom note...why has the gorot knots not been submitted for figg testing, as the killer is not in codis....cc moore wants them, and othram etc too, they would build a family tree and catch the evil so* many old cases as old as 60 years have been solved by figg testing its been around since 2020 and yet the boulder police and gov of colarado wont give it up? my Question is WHY NOT.

 

[furbabies]

She is a valuable witness that one could easily conclude, the Grand Jury believed.

why do you say shes a nut please

 

[furbabies]

why do you say shes a nut please

what did she say , that the jury believed and why has some authors called her a nut?

 

[GRT]

but to intend to kidnap it was a purpose event , so he should have had his own ransom note...why has the gorot knots not been submitted for figg testing, as the killer is not in codis....cc moore wants them, and othram etc too, they would build a family tree and catch the evil so* many old cases as old as 60 years have been solved by figg testing its been around since 2020 and yet the boulder police and gov of colarado wont give it up? my Question is WHY NOT.

I think the theory is that the intruded never meant to kidnap JBR, but rather assault and kill her in her own home. But, if he spent hours wandering around the house before the Ramseys got home, he might have decided to write the note to throw them off. It's not like child rapists and murders have a whole lot of honesty and integrity, after all. MOO

 

[GRT]

what did she say , that the jury believed and why has some authors called her a nut?

We don't know what she said to the GJ because that's sealed, but we do know that she filed lawsuits against the DA and the Ramseys, but was not successful with either.

I'm not sure she's a nut, but I think she was greedy and perhaps pushed by her husband and a money-hungry lawyer to go after the Ramseys. Not sure what she thought she could get out of Alex Hunter, but she lost that one too.

 

[furbabies]

We don't know what she said to the GJ because that's sealed, but we do know that she filed lawsuits against the DA and the Ramseys, but was not successful with either.

I'm not sure she's a nut, but I think she was greedy and perhaps pushed by her husband and a money-hungry lawyer to go after the Ramseys. Not sure what she thought she could get out of Alex Hunter, but she lost that one too.

money talked with patsy and john ramsey, got lawyered up in the first day......not sure who did it but i dont beleive it was a intruder.

 

[furbabies]

1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.

Yes never bought a intruder on xmas morning lol too fanciful by far...so if the parents did it what liars they have been for so long and father still so...it just shows you dont need to go to rada to become a actor....he doesnt waver nor flinch.?....always thought patsy was unstable too, ready to flip at any moment, i saw a picture of her once biting a cross.....who does that? the signs are there she done it....maybe a accident went to far jonbennet wet the bed patsy was fuming and hit her and her head hit the floor, not sure then patsy had to imput all the other evils on her the garot the stun gun the tying up, to make it look like a intruder did it.....some ill lady mentally....but if she did it, john was covering for her...as i said above what LIARS they were, all lawyered up on first day so she was never charged.....MONEY TALKS.

 

[furbabies]

We don't know what she said to the GJ because that's sealed, but we do know that she filed lawsuits against the DA and the Ramseys, but was not successful with either.

I'm not sure she's a nut, but I think she was greedy and perhaps pushed by her husband and a money-hungry lawyer to go after the Ramseys. Not sure what she thought she could get out of Alex Hunter, but she lost that one too.

yep the greedys come out of the woodwork when they sniff a chance of making a buck

 

[furbabies]

I think the theory is that the intruded never meant to kidnap JBR, but rather assault and kill her in her own home. But, if he spent hours wandering around the house before the Ramseys got home, he might have decided to write the note to throw them off. It's not like child rapists and murders have a whole lot of honesty and integrity, after all. MOO

dna under jonbennets nails was a foreign males dna, but boulder police never persuide it...how strange, they could have caught the perp first week if they had, but they thought it was the parents so never checked it , bad indeed of boulder police and gov of colarado.

 

[Ponytale]

dna under jonbennets nails was a foreign males dna, but boulder police never persuide it...how strange, they could have caught the perp first week if they had, but they thought it was the parents so never checked it , bad indeed of boulder police and gov of colarado.

The police didn't pursuit with the DNA because they were initially blocked by the Ramsey lawyers from testing the evidence, and later the found sample itself turned out to be so minuscule and partial, that the police probably knew from the start that it will never lead nowhere and most likely does not come from an intruder. IMO

 

[Bean&Cheese]

Yes never bought a intruder on xmas morning lol too fanciful by far...so if the parents did it what liars they have been for so long and father still so...it just shows you dont need to go to rada to become a actor....he doesnt waver nor flinch.?....always thought patsy was unstable too, ready to flip at any moment, i saw a picture of her once biting a cross.....who does that? the signs are there she done it....maybe a accident went to far jonbennet wet the bed patsy was fuming and hit her and her head hit the floor, not sure then patsy had to imput all the other evils on her the garot the stun gun the tying up, to make it look like a intruder did it.....some ill lady mentally....but if she did it, john was covering for her...as i said above what LIARS they were, all lawyered up on first day so she was never charged.....MONEY TALKS.

She was almost dead when she was hit in the head. Not the other way around.

 

[Zodiac_Speaking]

She was almost dead when she was hit in the head. Not the other way around.

Not according to two different BPD police chiefs on their reddit AMAA's.....

AMAA question: Which came first - the blow to the head or the strangulation?
Answer: (paraphrasing) - We believe she was hit over the head first, and then strangled.

AMAA question: How long was JonBenet alive after the blow to the head?
Answer: (there were 2 answer to this)
Answer 1: Approximately 2 hours after the blow to the head
Answer 2: 45-90 minutes

But to be fair, the police can and often do lie, not only to the suspects but to the public. They can lie and mislead so that when they get a "real" suspect - the "real" suspect will typically know things, and in what order, that only the killer/s would know. Then they get their "gotcha" moment.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Not according to two different BPD police chiefs on their reddit AMAA's.....

AMAA question: Which came first - the blow to the head or the strangulation?
Answer: (paraphrasing) - We believe she was hit over the head first, and then strangled.

AMAA question: How long was JonBenet alive after the blow to the head?
Answer: (there were 2 answer to this)
Answer 1: Approximately 2 hours after the blow to the head
Answer 2: 45-90 minutes

But to be fair, the police can and often do lie, not only to the suspects but to the public. They can lie and mislead so that when they get a "real" suspect - the "real" suspect will typically know things, and in what order, that only the killer/s would know. Then they get their "gotcha" moment.

This very topic has been widely discussed here recently. The vast majority of the medical experts agree…..head blow came first. Both Mark Beckner and Mitch Morrissey are stating what the experts concluded.