CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

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  • #661
That is almost like stalking the siblings.
The cousin, the sister AND Dr. Oz knew very well they would not get access.

All done in quite poor taste, eh!

I totally agree. After the hospital, they asked to be taken to the house in Perris. I won't bother repeating what they said because I don't think it's genuine.

What's interesting though is only the van remains parked in the driveway. I wonder if the three VWs were repossessed.
 
  • #662
I totally agree. After the hospital, they asked to be taken to the house in Perris. I won't bother repeating what they said because I don't think it's genuine.

What's interesting though is only the van remains parked in the driveway. I wonder if the three VWs were repossessed.

It is kind of eerie the house and the van are just standing there as they did the day of the rescue and arrests.

Even the low battery smoke alarms are still sounding.
You can hear those alarms in no. 8´s videos, and they are still active. I know from someone who went to the house.

I don´t know about the other cars, other than one was stolen.
 
  • #663
Article which corresponds with my own thoughts on the case.

"A cult expert lawyer says the father was the leader of his own conservative Christian sect with a subservient wife and 13 children worshipping him in the house of horrors."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11980573

Another article with the same point but slightly different information
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/53969...ildren-california-christian-sect-cult-leader/

Note that all the discussion of the family being a mini-cult pretty much dried up by early February. This doesn’t mean that there is no validity to the theory, only that nothing has come out about it.

IMHO, there is not enough information to say that this was a “cult” where David was worshipped. The experts are speculating based on similarities that they see, but “cult like” manipulation may have happened without David being “worshipped.”

All that we know for sure about “apocalyptic” is that there were pamphlets with apocalyptic messages found in the Texas house.

All that we know for sure that may suggest a cult is that business about the kids not being allowed to tell ther names and needing to have permission to sit down, speak to outsiders, etc. (Pathologically paranoid parents who don’t have a “cult” could make the same rules, though.)

The systematic starving may have been a sort of cleansing ritual, or it may have been punishment, or it may have been a crazy attempt to save money.

The same goes for the beatings and bondage (except for the saving money part.)

Until we hear that the Turpins claimed that they were doing these things for spiritual/religious reasons, and/or the kids report that they had to “worship” one or both parents (or, for that matter the great god Thor), we have no evidence of a cult.

I am new here and haven’t fully learned the rules, but I trust that my comments will not be construed as a discussion of the religiousity and/or cultiness of the Turpin family. My argument is that there isn’t enough information.

Presumably we will know more after the case is either brought to trial or pleaded out.
 
  • #664
Another article with the same point but slightly different information
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/53969...ildren-california-christian-sect-cult-leader/

Note that all the discussion of the family being a mini-cult pretty much dried up by early February. This doesn’t mean that there is no validity to the theory, only that nothing has come out about it.

IMHO, there is not enough information to say that this was a “cult” where David was worshipped. The experts are speculating based on similarities that they see, but “cult like” manipulation may have happened without David being “worshipped.”

All that we know for sure about “apocalyptic” is that there were pamphlets with apocalyptic messages found in the Texas house.

All that we know for sure that may suggest a cult is that business about the kids not being allowed to tell ther names and needing to have permission to sit down, speak to outsiders, etc. (Pathologically paranoid parents who don’t have a “cult” could make the same rules, though.)

The systematic starving may have been a sort of cleansing ritual, or it may have been punishment, or it may have been a crazy attempt to save money.

The same goes for the beatings and bondage (except for the saving money part.)

Until we hear that the Turpins claimed that they were doing these things for spiritual/religious reasons, and/or the kids report that they had to “worship” one or both parents (or, for that matter the great god Thor), we have no evidence of a cult.

I am new here and haven’t fully learned the rules, but I trust that my comments will not be construed as a discussion of the religiousity and/or cultiness of the Turpin family. My argument is that there isn’t enough information.

Presumably we will know more after the case is either brought to trial or pleaded out.

Have any of you considered whether the Quiverfull movement could be a source of inspiration for the Turpin´s way of "bringing up" their kids?
 
  • #665
Using Jah's tip on the previous page, I was able to view the singing videos posted by the 17-year-old survivor. Here are the lyrics to the song "Not for Today" as best I can tell.

_Not For Today_
Oh, look at me
Where I am
Standing here
Looking bad/back

So far what do I see?
I see pain and villains, so

I will not go back alive
I will stay until I die
You can take everything I own,
But not for today
No, not for today
No, not for today
Oh, not for today

Oh, look at that
How young I was
I still don't understand
Why I can't go back
But now I look at the paint-thing(?) / But now I look at the page and sing(?)

I will not go back alive
I will stay until I die
You can take everything I own,
But not for today
No, not for today
No, not for today
Oh, not for today
 
  • #666
Again using Jah's tip, I was able to view the singing videos posted by the 17-year-old survivor. Here are the lyrics to the song "Where is the Key" as best I can tell. There are parts that are unintelligible (to me), so I substituted in the phonetics of what could be heard.

_Where is the Key_
Woah, you said you would never hurt me
You said you would never put me through that
But look at where I am
Freezing to death
Sol inside
I have nothing
All I can do is pray
Pray to the lord
Ask for help
But I'm still down
I don't know what to do when I'm like this

Chorus:
So broken down
So many times
So tortured
So scared inside
How can I (nahell na billy?)
How can I explain
Oh, to myself
Where is the key to my heart?
Oh, where do I go from here?
Oh, let me through the door
Oh, oh oh,
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door

I'm so broken down
So many times
So tortured
So scared inside
How can I (let um a billy?)
How can I explain?
Oh, to myself
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door
 
  • #667
Here are the lyrics to the song "You Blame Me for Everything" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account.

_You Blame Me for Everything_
You were my best friend,
I thought I could tell you anything
I thought you were true
But I guess I was wrong

You blame me for every, everything
You blame me in every, every way
You blame me for what they say, what they say
You blame me for everything

I don't understand
If only you could explain
You blame me for everything
You blame me for every, everything
You blame me in every, every way
You blame me for what they say, what they say
You blame me for everything, everything
 
  • #668
Here are the lyrics to the song "Love Ruled the World" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account. The parts that were unintelligible to me I highlighted in purple.

_Love Ruled the World_
We are treasure
We are gold
Wah ladana go a-whirl (?)
But not now, no not now
You went ahead and threw me in the daws
In the daws
In the daws

But love ruled the world
Till you let it blow up
Love ruled the world
Until you let it go

Love ruled the world
Until you blow up
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the wor-or-or-ld [snapping fingers here]

Love ruled the world, the wor-r-r-ld
Love ruled the world!
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world

We are loving
We are screaming
We're breaking up
Cause you, you don't love me anymore
Anymore anymore anymore

Love ruled the world
till you let it blow up
Love ruled the world
until you let it go
Love ruled the world
till you let it blow up

Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the wor-r-r-ld!
Love ruled the wor-r-r-ld
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world

Keep saying you love me
Keep pushing me away
Pushing me away
But don't let me go

Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the wor-r-r-ld!

Love ruled the world
till you let it blow up
Love ruled the world
till you let it go
Love ruled the world
till you blow up

Love ruled the world
Love ruled the world
Love ruled the wor-r-r-ld!

Love ruled the wor-r-r-ld
Love ruled the world

Love ruled the world
till you let it blow up
Love ruled the world
 
  • #669
Here are the lyrics to the song "Never Felt" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account.

This particular video had background music digitally added in, and many visual effects such as scrolling and the singer spinning upside down. Unintelligible parts are marked in purple.

_Never Felt_
Oh, can't speak
Baby, I'm hopeless
Hopeless
Take my hand, a know a fen
I love you for who you are
Don't throw me away just because I'm
a fen
close a

I can't wait any longer
for you babe / for your blame

I keep thinking
Will I ever meet you?
I love you
Not for your talent
Love you for who you are

I felt a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one

I keep thinking
Do you even care?
I hurt so bad, I love you
I hurt so bad
I love you
I love yoooou!

Cold up
Hands die

I can't wait any longer for fate

I keep thinking
Will I ever meet you?
I love you
Not for your talent
I love you for who you are

I feel a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one

I know this love
Always love
I know this love
Always love
Don't say that it's love

Hold on
I love you
Not for your talent
Love you for who you are

I feel a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one
 
  • #670
Here are the lyrics to the song "What's Wrong with Me" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account. Note the text on the screen before the music starts is "Life is Like a Movie." It was difficult to hear the words because the digital music added in post-production is often louder than the vocals.

Whon
Not so hone

Not so strong
Not so tough
Life's so strong
Oooh

What now?
What do I do?
Look at me
Here I am
All grown up
Growin' up
Getting close to bein'
Oooh

Hold on to life
Hold on life
Hoezzih (Who is it?)
What time is it?

I don't know.
Oh, why have I got to be so sure?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

It's so hard to hold on
Life's going so bad, oh
Can't breathe

What do I do?
What now?
Here I am
Holin' my dreams to get it
Hoooo-oooo!

Hold on life
Oh, don't lie
What's wrong with me
Will hyme again
I don't know
Oh, why does life have to be so hard?

What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

Hold on to life
I can't do this much longer
Don't turn around, wait there
You don't have much longer
Life is bad, so bad
No, don't you know where I am?
What do I do?
Ooh
What do I do?

Hold on life
ha, wuz zocles zare (I was hopeless there?)
Well, I'm here
I don't know
Oh, why does life have to be so short?

What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

Hold on to life
 
  • #671
Here are the lyrics to the song "Never Felt" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account.

This particular video had background music digitally added in, and many visual effects such as scrolling and the singer spinning upside down. Unintelligible parts are marked in purple.

_Never Felt_
Oh, can't speak
Baby, I'm hopeless
Hopeless
Take my hand, a know a fen
I love you for who you are
Don't throw me away just because I'm
a fen
close a

I can't wait any longer
for you babe / for your blame

I keep thinking
Will I ever meet you?
I love you
Not for your talent
Love you for who you are

I felt a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one

I keep thinking
Do you even care?
I hurt so bad, I love you
I hurt so bad
I love you
I love yoooou!

Cold up
Hands die

I can't wait any longer for fate

I keep thinking
Will I ever meet you?
I love you
Not for your talent
I love you for who you are

I feel a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one

I know this love
Always love
I know this love
Always love
Don't say that it's love

Hold on
I love you
Not for your talent
Love you for who you are

I feel a connection
I never felt before
No, I never felt before
Never felt
Never felllllllt!
A connection like this one

What you wrote as "a know a fen" I think I heard as "Though I'm a fan" or some such. I took this song to be a tribute (teenage angst) toward Justin Bieber. Maybe.
 
  • #672
Here are the lyrics to the song "You Tore Me" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account.

_You Tore Me_
We wanted to be
I loved everything about you
But you ended / went and did

(rapidly)
You tore me out of your life
You tore me out of your heart
You tore me out of your soul
You tore me.

Oh, what did you do?
You tore me.

You tore me out of your life
You tore me out of your soul
You tore me.

We were so perfect
But you didn't want it to work
So it didn't
'Cause...

You tore me out of your life
You tore me out of your heart
You tore me

Oh, what did you do?
You tore me.

You tore me out of your life
You tore me out of your heart
You tore me
 
  • #673
Here are the lyrics to the song "So Weak" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account.

_So Weak_
lay-lee mama (laying in my room?) tonight
Oh, I'm so weak
Trying to get you off of my mind
Oh, I'm so weak

Oh, amigo (?), we will rezmee(?)
Will I see you again?
Oh, so much is on my mind

So weak.
I'm so weak.
Oh, so much is on my mind
So weak
So weak.
I'm so weak
So weak
So weak
Oh, so much is on my mind
So weak
So weak
So weak
So weak
I'm so weak

Oh, so much is on my mind
So weak
So weak
So weak

In this video, you can hear musical accompaniment coming from an electronic keyboard. The sounds of the plastic key-presses are audible, and the synthesized music seems to take its cue from the singer, sometimes speeding up to match her pace and sometimes changing tunes in response to what the singer does next. It's therefore possible that there was another child in the room, off-camera, at the time of this recording.
 
  • #674
Have any of you considered whether the Quiverfull movement could be a source of inspiration for the Turpin´s way of "bringing up" their kids?

I think it is very likely that there is a connection, though the Turpin parents did not seem to be following any s particular religion.
 
  • #675
ClockWorkSecretthank you so :tyou::tyou:much for the work you out into the words of the songs. It is very much appreciated. How they all must have been hurting and so glad they are now all safe.
 
  • #676
Those videos are haunting. [emoji22] She obviously had access to some outside influences IMO and I am so curious about how and when these videos were made. She is truly gorgeous.


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  • #677
Why is Louise taking the brunt of people´s disgust?
We don´t know how things went down in that home yet.
I see it everywhere and it depresses me that it ALWAYS is the women that are harsher judged than men.

It puzzles me. David was there too!

I think maybe it's because mothers are supposed to be the nurturers and caregivers of a family, especially since they carry them within their bodies for nine months. Also, she supposedly wanted as many children as possible, but why, if she treated them as objects rather than vulnerable beings in need and deserving of love, compassion and nurturing.

Absolutely BOTH are responsible for their inhuman treatment of their children!
It just always feels worse when the abuse is from mothers :(
 
  • #678
Those videos are haunting. [emoji22] She obviously had access to some outside influences IMO and I am so curious about how and when these videos were made. She is truly gorgeous.


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Her twitter account seems to have started mid-December 2017, and I think that is when all the SM activity started. So they were all within a 4-week period leading up to her escape. As for access, it seems to be somewhat centered around Disney, so probably condoned by LT to a certain extent. OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if LT had no idea about the YT videos and Twitter account. She seems to have conversed a little bit on Twitter with others (outsiders!), albeit under an alias, and I suspect that could have been a punishable violation.
 
  • #679
I think maybe it's because mothers are supposed to be the nurturers and caregivers of a family, especially since they carry them within their bodies for nine months. Also, she supposedly wanted as many children as possible, but why, if she treated them as objects rather than vulnerable beings in need and deserving of love, compassion and nurturing.

Absolutely BOTH are responsible for their inhuman treatment of their children!
It just always feels worse when the abuse is from mothers :(

So far, other than one anecdote from her sister from their childhood, there has been very little to indicate that she ever thought of anybody other than herself (and maybe DT) as all that relevant. From our vantage it certainly looks like she treated her children as objects, once they were beyond the stage where they could be used for mother-baby photo ops, but in her mind she may have felt it was the best way to raise her children. Sad. Part of the responsibility of parenting is preparing the children for the outside world so they can go out on their own and be a part of society, but it appears that they did everything to prevent that from happening.
Yes, they are BOTH responsible.
She acts like it will all blow over, and that she should be the center of attention.
He acts like he's waiting for the other shoe to drop, and look out when it does.
 
  • #680
I think maybe it's because mothers are supposed to be the nurturers and caregivers of a family, especially since they carry them within their bodies for nine months. Also, she supposedly wanted as many children as possible, but why, if she treated them as objects rather than vulnerable beings in need and deserving of love, compassion and nurturing.

Absolutely BOTH are responsible for their inhuman treatment of their children!
It just always feels worse when the abuse is from mothers :(

It doesn´t to me, so I don´t quite understand this tendency.
Abuse is abuse, no matter from whom it comes.

Basically what you say is that abuse from men is more EXPECTED and somewhat ACCEPTED.
Very depressing!
 
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