GUILTY CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #12

[Rosegold68]

have only just caught up with this!!

so shocked by all of it but what stood out from the children statements was they mentioned, school,college,friends and activities, but no mention of church going

yet they forgive their parents with this unshakeable faith. which religion do they follow?

 

[squareandrabbet]

I totally agree with your well thought out post.

I will comment on one statement though:

What one of the girls said in her statement about the kids always being offered more food if they were still hungry....that flies in the face of the fact of the weight and malnourishment!

I totally agree that the kids were not fed enough, as they were malnourished. But the girl's belief that they were offered more food if hungry may be true from her perspective, in the recent years.

One of the things my friend learned, as a foster parent for many years, was that kids that came to her malnourished, often had very very small appetites and it was hard to get them to eat sometimes.

She did have some kids who were ravenous and never felt they could get enough food, and they'd hoard it in the backpacks etc.

But the kids that were truly malnourished for years, often had very weak appetites. She had to have special training to help her get them to eat enough to get to a healthy weight again.

That's a good perspective, but don't forget the daughter who said that she understood that she and her siblings "had to" be chained up, because they were eating them out of house and home (paraphrase)?

That's still internalizing the blaming language and lessons of the horror-show parents. This grievously hurt young lady still believes, that she and the siblings did something to deserve or cause their treatment. It disturbed me mightily that this young survivor still thinks of chainings and beatings as something they deserved for disobedience; instead of having reached the point of realization that parents shouldn't have children they are ill equipped to care for, and then blame said children for doing normal things like "growing into hungry adults". They didn't ask to be born. Assuming that "finding enough food for everybody" was a concern with DT, and that was why the massive amounts of credit card debts and bankruptcies - don't have more kids than you can handle!

I know people didn't give much stock to LT's sister's report that LT said she hoped to get a reality TV series made about the family, doesn't surprise me considering what we know of LT, to be frank. LT was probably in fact thinking of that as a desperation move to improve the family fortunes, like the Duggars. Whether or not it had a ghost's chance of happening, is beside the point; it seems like a fantasist's standard type of coping mechanism. "Oh, if only I could become the next Oprah (or whatever)! How great my life would be!"

 

[SkipperKey3]

There is a book coming out next month by true crime author John Glatt about the Turpin case. (The Family Next Door, in case anybody is interested.) I wonder how true to facts it will be, or it if will be sensationalized? Not sure there is really any more info that is necessary to learn. I want the kids to continue to learn and grow in their new environments, not be sensationalized or made into unwanted celebrities of some kind. They deserve to live a normal life now.

 

[claudianunes]

There is a book coming out next month by true crime author John Glatt about the Turpin case. (The Family Next Door, in case anybody is interested.) I wonder how true to facts it will be, or it if will be sensationalized? Not sure there is really any more info that is necessary to learn. I want the kids to continue to learn and grow in their new environments, not be sensationalized or made into unwanted celebrities of some kind. They deserve to live a normal life now.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised about the fact that we don't have a whole movie about this case yet.
Is it fair to write a book about these kids' abuse and make money of it? Seems a bit weird. They're alive. Nobody else should be telling their story, not someone who wasn't allowed to do so, by the siblings, anyways.

 

[Doghairrules]

There is a book coming out next month by true crime author John Glatt about the Turpin case. (The Family Next Door, in case anybody is interested.) I wonder how true to facts it will be, or it if will be sensationalized? Not sure there is really any more info that is necessary to learn. I want the kids to continue to learn and grow in their new environments, not be sensationalized or made into unwanted celebrities of some kind. They deserve to live a normal life now.

Have you read any of his previous books? The write up refers to him as an investigative journalist but it seems he kind of freelances.

ETA: his other titles seem sensationalistic and he doesn’t have very good reviews on B&N.

 

[borndem]

Actually, I'm a bit surprised about the fact that we don't have a whole movie about this case yet.
Is it fair to write a book about these kids' abuse and make money of it? Seems a bit weird. They're alive. Nobody else should be telling their story, not someone who wasn't allowed to do so, by the siblings, anyways.

Agree. Will the author keep all the profits from this book? If he goes ahead with this book, it would be a fine gesture, IMO, if the author would donate it to a charity or other entity that initially helped or is helping the siblings -- certainly under "anonymous donor" or whatever -- if this person indeed writes this book.
It angers me. These children have been put in "closets" or in chains all of their lives. They're just now leaning how life can be, and should have been, for them. I can't imagine these fragile people being "outed" more than they have had to be thus far.
I hope there is a caretaker/guardian who would have the authority to look into this matter legally. It could only harm the siblings, IMO.

 

[mtnlites]

have only just caught up with this!!

so shocked by all of it but what stood out from the children statements was they mentioned, school,college,friends and activities, but no mention of church going

yet they forgive their parents with this unshakeable faith. which religion do they follow?

Not sure what they follow, but as someone who's been in a lot of therapy for trauma, and as someone who used to be a crisis intervention specialist, I can say that "forgiveness" isn't always about religion or even about the other person. Forgiveness is meant to help the victim. It's not excusing the other person's actions, nor forgetting them, and it's not always about moving forward with a continued relationship with them. It's just another tool in the cycle of grief and trauma. I can see how the kids might want to do this so that they can move forward and start new, better, lives.

 

[borndem]

Not sure what they follow, but as someone who's been in a lot of therapy for trauma, and as someone who used to be a crisis intervention specialist, I can say that "forgiveness" isn't always about religion or even about the other person. Forgiveness is meant to help the victim. It's not excusing the other person's actions, nor forgetting them, and it's not always about moving forward with a continued relationship with them. It's just another tool in the cycle of grief and trauma. I can see how the kids might want to do this so that they can move forward and start new, better, lives.

Beautifully said, @mtnlites. That is a very fine definition and explanation of "forgiveness," especially for victims of very hurtful treatment.
Thanks for posting it.

 

[claudianunes]

It’s hard to understand why and how they can forgive their parents, but they were the ones who were abused, and they know what their hearts want and what their hearts need. So, if it takes to forgive their parents to move on and be happy and healthy, so be it.

 

[borndem]

It’s hard to understand why and how they can forgive their parents, but they were the ones who were abused, and they know what their hearts want and what their hearts need. So, if it takes to forgive their parents to move on and be happy and healthy, so be it.

Perhaps by forgiving, it will allow the children to let go of the hurt and ill-feelings they may have. For some folks, forgiving means less burden on the mind of the forgiver, and a new breath of air -- just getting rid of a chip on one's shoulder. Let it go, and move on. Easier said than done, certainly, but they can help each other in the process. JMHO

 

[aegarner1]

Show about the Turpin 13: family secrets exposed on oxygen right now

 

[Doghairrules]

Show about the Turpin 13: family secrets exposed on oxygen right now

How was it?

 

[killarney rose]

I just saw the ID show last night with Louise Turpin's sister. So there were signs years earlier that these children were being mistreated, back when there were just four of them, yet nobody reported them or did anything to help them . absolutely unforgivable. I have no sympathy for the sister. She KNEW!

 

[MsJosie]

I don’t think I could watch it.

Forgiving....bless the children who can do it. I hope though they never forget and never trust their parents again.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Abusive families... particularly when there is severe abuse, are very complex. The effects ripple through generations. I felt a lot of empathy for the sister shown in the Evil Lives Here episode. Its easy as an outsider to see what she should have done, but humans don't always do the best thing. I view her as another victim of the abusive family she was born into. She was also a victim during that summer she spent living with the family.

The Turpin children will each get to decide how they feel about their aunt, and whether they want to forge any sort of relationship with her.

One branch of my family has abuse going back for generations, so this terrain is familiar to me. Its messy and complicated. The conflicting emotions family members feel toward each other result in all sorts of strange dynamics between everyone. Each family member attempts to navigate it in their own way and uses different strategies to cope.

 

[killarney rose]

I too come from an abusive family. Every kind of abuse you can think of. Rather than become passive or an abuser I made up my mind as a child that I would never live in abuse as an adult and my children would never be abused. I broke the cycle in my family.

As an aunt, I saw my nieces and nephews being abused by their stepfather. My sister had a passive role. While she never abused them, she never did anything to stop it, either.

I called DHR anonymously and reported the situation,.my sister was told to get him out of the house or they would take the kids. She kicked him out.

I don't care what the family history is, wrong is wrong and there is NO excuse to sit back and allow innocent children to be abused. None.

 

[MsGazette]

David and Louise Turpin case: Malnourished California girl had arms of an infant – Valliant News

GIRL HAD ARMS OF AN INFANT...

 

[Safeguard]

Valid points. But there are many people who have moved forward from abusive childhood experiences.

Abuse does not mean that your future is already written off. I know that this is true. It does mean that your life is different, but not always a grim story.

And people who live storybook childhoods end up in mental hospitals as well.

Bavo!
We can all find Google links to support whatever...

Those studies were done on mental health patients. Adults who had abusive childhoods and healed adequately would not be included in that data.

 

[Gardenista]

2 Years After Escape from House of Horrors, Turpin Kids Build New Lives: 'They’re All Happy'

 

[PayrollNerd]

2 Years After Escape from House of Horrors, Turpin Kids Build New Lives: 'They’re All Happy'

They deserve every blessing bestowed upon them. I’m sure they draw strength from each other. Really happy to hear they are well supported and healthy.