CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #8

[vlpate]

Good point about the water damage---possible flooding. That would also explain the lack of carpet or flooring in the bathroom.

We have to remember that the Turpins abandoned the house when they moved into the mobile home, and they probably kept extra furniture and junk in the old house. The kids might have been allowed to play in the old house, and that is why there are drawings on the walls.

Also, while it is tempting to suggest that the "trailer house" the Turpins installed behind the brick house would be small or unsuitable, in reality, many of the newer mobile homes are very nice and large, modern and roomy. The mobile home was probably a step up from the house, but we'll never know since nobody has posted any pictures of the mobile home, AFAIK.

None of this excuses the monsterous LT and DT from the unthinkable acts of cruelty and callousness that they perpetrated on their poor, defenseless children.

I would hope they weren't allowed to play in that house with the obvious mold issues. My thought is they may have bought the double wide so restoration (insurance), could be done on flood damage...a hefty price, and decided to keep the money and let it go....just a guess.

Of course this doesn't justify or negate anything, they are accused of in California, but it does give perspective on this particular house. This will no doubt be brought up by the prosecution.

 

[Satch]

I found out that it was only a four bedroom house! Way too small for all those kids, even if they would lived under normal conditions.

Satch

 

[disgruntled]

BBM.
How do we know they weren't beat?
IMO, one of the kids drew this picture.

Maybe it was drawn after they abandoned the house for the trailer? I imagine they still went in there occasionally.

 

[WestieMom]

These are the photos taken by the bank prior to Mr Baldwin and his mother purchasing the property. This house was built on a flood plain, and the roof looked to be leaking. Vents in closets are not unusual in closets high humidity is an issue. A flood would explain the dumpster full of discarded furniture, etc. Baldwin's mother said there was so much trash inside the house you could hardly walk around, that is not depicted in these pix...perhaps she was talking about the trailer...unless it had already been moved.

My kid is a realtor and she said the excessive mold would trigger the waiver Baldwin signed (also at link), but they would not show a house, even with a waiver, that had human waste on the floor or walls. You never know though...small towns might look the other way.

In one of the pix you can actually see the hole in the water damaged ceiling.

Eta: Rio Vista house

From this link. We can now see the bottom of the drawing.

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[WestieMom]

From this link. We can now see the bottom of the drawing.

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[ocgrad]

These are the photos taken by the bank prior to Mr Baldwin and his mother purchasing the property. This house was built on a flood plain, and the roof looked to be leaking. Vents in closets are not unusual in closets high humidity is an issue. A flood would explain the dumpster full of discarded furniture, etc. Baldwin's mother said there was so much trash inside the house you could hardly walk around, that is not depicted in these pix...perhaps she was talking about the trailer...unless it had already been moved.

My kid is a realtor and she said the excessive mold would trigger the waiver Baldwin signed (also at link), but they would not show a house, even with a waiver, that had human waste on the floor or walls. You never know though...small towns might look the other way.

In one of the pix you can actually see the hole in the water damaged ceiling.

Eta: Rio Vista house

Mr Baldwin mentioned in one article how long it took the mortgage company or bank who owned the house to clean it so it could go on the market. I will try to the article.

 

[Bill Carson]

I found out that it was only a four bedroom house! Way too small for all those kids, even if they would lived under normal conditions.

Satch

I was wondering if they weren't using the garage as a den or bedroom. The cars were parked outside, and we know that one of the walls of the garage had DVDs on shelves. Seems odd that shelf was in the garage unless they were using it for living space.

Source: https://radaronline.com/photos/turpin-family-home-dvds-movies/

ETA: Of course, no parent in their right mind would make children live in the garage, so if this is true, the Turpins are even more cruel than we thought they were! What horror will come out next?

 

[Satch]

Report from People-Crime that the children likely did not know what a toothbrush was. Dentists willing to offer free dental care for life for the children. Also how people are helping the kids right now. Great read!

http://people.com/crime/turpin-siblings-house-of-horrors-learn-brush-teeth/

Satch

 

[ocgrad]

These are the photos taken by the bank prior to Mr Baldwin and his mother purchasing the property. This house was built on a flood plain, and the roof looked to be leaking. Vents in closets are not unusual in closets high humidity is an issue. A flood would explain the dumpster full of discarded furniture, etc. Baldwin's mother said there was so much trash inside the house you could hardly walk around, that is not depicted in these pix...perhaps she was talking about the trailer...unless it had already been moved.

My kid is a realtor and she said the excessive mold would trigger the waiver Baldwin signed (also at link), but they would not show a house, even with a waiver, that had human waste on the floor or walls. You never know though...small towns might look the other way.

In one of the pix you can actually see the hole in the water damaged ceiling.

Eta: Rio Vista house

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-mal...ed-trailer-texas-home-years/story?id=52477251

[FONT=&quot]"The mortgage company had even spent two months cleaning it up to get it "halfway presentable" before they put it on the market, he said."[/FONT]

 

[mtnlites]

Report from People-Crime that the children likely did not know what a toothbrush was. Dentists willing to offer free dental care for life for the children. Also how people are helping the kids right now. Great read!

http://people.com/crime/turpin-siblings-house-of-horrors-learn-brush-teeth/

Satch

He says he was even approached last Thursday by a homeless man who pulled out $2.38 from his pocket to give to the kids.

“He [said], ‘I want to give this to the kids,’ and I said, ‘No, you need that,’ ” Spiegel recalls. “He said, ‘I want those kids to know people all over the world are praying for them.’ I don’t think he has a home. He was barefoot. It was very touching.”

Dang, that even touched ME and I'm pretty desensitized these days. Now I want to go help that homeless man for wanting to help the kids!

 

[ocgrad]

Good point about the water damage---possible flooding. That would also explain the lack of carpet or flooring in the bathroom.

We have to remember that the Turpins abandoned the house when they moved into the mobile home, and they probably kept extra furniture and junk in the old house. The kids might have been allowed to play in the old house, and that is why there are drawings on the walls.

Also, while it is tempting to suggest that the "trailer house" the Turpins installed behind the brick house would be small or unsuitable, in reality, many of the newer mobile homes are very nice and large, modern and roomy. The mobile home was probably a step up from the house, but we'll never know since nobody has posted any pictures of the mobile home, AFAIK.

None of this excuses the monsterous LT and DT from the unthinkable acts of cruelty and callousness that they perpetrated on their poor, defenseless children.

I'm not sure where the story originated that at one point the parents lived in one house while the kids lived in another and they brought them food. But if true, I have thought it seemed likely they lived in the mobile home, maybe with the infants and younger children and left the older kids in the house. I know neighbors have said they moved into the mobile home but they obviously didn't know what they were doing there.

 

[Zelda1010]

He says he was even approached last Thursday by a homeless man who pulled out $2.38 from his pocket to give to the kids.

“He [said], ‘I want to give this to the kids,’ and I said, ‘No, you need that,’ ” Spiegel recalls. “He said, ‘I want those kids to know people all over the world are praying for them.’ I don’t think he has a home. He was barefoot. It was very touching.”

Dang, that even touched ME and I'm pretty desensitized these days. Now I want to go help that homeless man for wanting to help the kids!

Yes! I thought I was losing it! That $2.38 from the homeless man actually made me tear up. Very touching story.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Yes! I thought I was losing it! That $2.38 from the homeless man actually made me tear up. Very touching story.

The widow's mite...

 

[Midgie2]

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I know a lot of us were wondering what the bottom of the picture looked like.
I can't make this picture out entirely, but is that private parts?

 

[Oceanaire]

Everytime I try to edit a post it gets deleted. So annoying!

Anyway, an interesting article covering the basics of children and fecal smearing http://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/2015/04/27/6-facts-about-fecal-smearing-that-you-need-to-know/

This behaviour along with peeling paint from the walls screams of sensory deprivation/understimulation, to me.

 

[vlpate]

I'm not sure where the story originated that at one point the parents lived in one house while the kids lived in another and they brought them food. But if true, I have thought it seemed likely they lived in the mobile home, maybe with the infants and younger children and left the older kids in the house. I know neighbors have said they moved into the mobile home but they obviously didn't know what they were doing there.

I believe the DA said that was in Fort Worth...could be wrong

 

[TeaTime]

I'm very curious about this too, In 2015 when the baby was born the house looked pretty good in pictures that we have seen. I do think about 15 people in a house and how quickly things can get really out of hand. Garbage has to go out every single day, several loads laundry have to be done every day. about two beds have to be stripped a day, The dishwasher has to be run at least 4 times a day. Vacuuming would have to be an everyday thing. Bathrooms would have to be scrubbed every single day. Obviously the Turpins did not live in any kind of a normal way, but if you consider that even a tidy organized person would struggle to keep a house in order with that many people it gives a little perspective how these people could so easily destroy a house in just 4-6 years.

I grew up with a family of 13 around the corner. They were there for at least 10 years. Their house was clean, they bathed and showered even though they only had 2 bathrooms. They wore clean clothes, they brushed their teeth, they had 3 real meals a day and they all went to school and church on Sunday. They had dogs but no messes left around the house - ever. Their parents would not tolerate that in their home. Their beds were changed each week.

Their mom NEVER stopped moving. And, every kid had inside and outside chores to do. No one starved, no one was ever chained up, no one ever ran away.

They were not free to roam the neighborhood, they had to stay in their own 6 acre yard and ask permission to leave it. With that many kids to keep track of, it is prudent. But, ALL their friends could come to play. All were welcome.

They also had horses and ponies which mean barns and corrals. Even those were well maintained.

When they moved out, the house was not wrecked. It was worn but still clean.

The T's are just nasty. Just nasty people.

JMHO

 

[Spice]

I believe the DA said that was in Fort Worth...could be wrong

This article reads to me like it was Rio Vista when Double Wide was purchased and LT /DT lived in it while the children remained in the house they reduced to squalor. But it is definitely Fort Worth as you pointed out in a later post. Both the double wide and the "home" were foreclosed on. The cruelty to animals is horrific as well. These people...I just can't.

A former neighbor of the California couple accused of abusing their 13 children tells PEOPLE one of the Turpin siblings tried escaping years ago when the family lived in Rio Vista, Texas.

One of the girls escaped and I was always told that the police returned her,” says Rick Vinyard. “One of the girls did try to run away. It was probably three or four years after they moved in.”

Vinyard says that 56-year-old David Turpin, his 49-year-old wife, Louise, and their 13 kids — most of whom California authorities allege were malnourished, living in squalor, and kept captive — first lived in a brick house across the street from him. They moved to California after 10 years in the neighborhood.

In time, though, the family moved out of that home and into a double-wide trailer, which was parked on the same lot.

“They moved out of the brick house because the family had trashed it so bad, it was unlivable,” Vinyard says. “They had left pets in there that starved to death. We found a dead dog and a dead cat in that house. The kitchen just looked horrible. There were dirty diapers piled waste-high

http://people.com/crime/california-house-horrors-neighbor-texas-speaks/

 

[Midgie2]

Everytime I try to edit a post it gets deleted. So annoying!

Anyway, an interesting article covering the basics of children and fecal smearing http://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/2015/04/27/6-facts-about-fecal-smearing-that-you-need-to-know/

This behaviour along with peeling paint from the walls screams of sensory deprivation/understimulation, to me.

I agree.

Deprived of food.
Deprived of toys
(Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have crayons, paper, paints etc. too)
Deprived of LOVING physical touch
Deprived of feeling safe
Deprived of outside stimulation, friends, relatives, etc.
Deprived of experiences, school, the library, museums, etc.
Deprived of learning proper hygiene and taking care of their bodies.

I could go on and on. Boils my blood.

 

[Gae]

I wonder if the Turpins had a pool table or access to pool balls? Something about that circular body wall drawing looks like an old pool ball that has a band at both the top and bottom of the ball with a circle in the middle where the number goes. That may not be the inspiration for the drawing, but that's the first thing I thought of when I saw it - pool ball.
As for many people in one home- When my mom was a baby/toddler, she lived with her grandparents in a very small one bedroom house that had four adults and several teens. It was cramped, but somehow made it work and kept it clean. An overcrowded home does not necessarily have to mean filth. That was the 1930s though, so times were different, too.