CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #3

[Boytwnmom]

on CNN? maybe? I was amazed and he quickly said "No way" basically. Not at all the way PPD presents. Expressed WITHIN family. And I kinda doubt it usually involves bomb making equipment or mass murder.

 

[CARIIS]

bigger plans. I base that on the residual amount of destructive material at their home that was not utilized. I don't even know that it would have been that same day.

And I am not opposed to a theory which takes into account some more personal issues motivating the choice of that first target. If he, for example, become more radicalized after marriage, he could have then found his workplace and the people there unacceptable infidels and he could very much have wanted to "show them" or punish them.

The location may not have really been the focus of the larger or actual plan. I obviously don't know anything but that kind of thing sort of makes sense to me. He had spent his whole life here and was obviously used to American life. But if you suddenly, radically (no pun intended) change your whole world view, much of what you used to easily accept or tolerate, may now become intolerable in the extreme. And, like, if you're going to "do jihad" you might as well get some personal satisfaction over it.

I so agree put on your thinking caps media . All this bewilderment about how they got in their car fast and left. Where were they going

to their garage, for what?

The 12 pipe bombs obviouly they did not need any additioial bullets , but yeh its probably not a good idea to go crusing around with tons of homemade pipe bombs .

then where the theatre that TWO onther cell members were casing 48 hours ago

Would be neat to find out how far the theatre was from their home !.

 

[steelman]

When Fox showed pic tonight of the mother of the year (my words), Greta Van S said..that is the ugly face of a terrorist or (terror). Well..my opinion only...she must have (..errr..had) a great personality, aspirations and nuturing attributes, wouldn't you say.

Sure. She was impressionable and vulnerable. Exactly like her male counterparts. Those are the people ISIS recruits.

Weak, impressionable people who buy into the idiotic ideology they try and brainwash people with. These people aren't religious....not at all. No religion teaches it's followers to maim and kill. These people are simply cold blooded murderers who kill for the fun of killing. They love the power they brandish over their weak followers. They love they idea that they can influence people to kill on their behalf.

In my next post, I'm going to post something that I've never seen anybody mention---neither here or in the media.

It's going to be something I believe may be a huge factor in this ISIS stronghold.

 

[Foxfire]

But its like the Bible states also that The Lord shall return. But we don't all go round chopping people's heads off that don't believe.
I've read certain scripts in the Qur'an. The one that's referenced to. But it beggars belief that as Islam denotes. The taking of a life. Is abhorrent to Allah. Which is why a living animal who has been reared specifically for a Muslim family to use as food/etc. Has to be given a righteous passage into paradise. By the blessing of an imam. Hence Halal meat. The animal is then taken away with utmost respect and reverence.

So ISIS fundamentals are totally wrong. They've established the Caliphate by Their rulings. Of Sharia Law. A very stark strict subservient law. Which they have twisted into a barbaric primitive manner.

Even a devout Islam would never condone the ways of ISIS.
They are pumped full of drugs to do the atrocities they do.
And FEAR is their game.

<BBM for Focus>

ISIS jihadists are Meth Tweakers..as were the Japanese Kamikaze pilots. They were given methamphetamine so they could fly long hours and not hesitate when using their planes as suicidal weapons..

 

[ninij9]

What scares me to death is, I don't think they are killing just to kill (ISIS) I think they REALLY, REALLY believe the nonsense they spew. It's why they are Fanatical.

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[Boytwnmom]

she was always covered and at family gatherings the men & women stayed separate. Which doesn't sound too normal to me for America. Saudi Arabia yes, but not here.

It looks like a pimple or freckle, maybe?

Did she wear a burqa?

 

[CARIIS]

Lemmon is doing silly stuff again. Asking questions about the apt be turned back over to the owner. There were dozens of experets there . It makes sense they were done.

Donald the worlds reaction was not to the landlord wanting to see what his property looked like - it was the RSVP he sent to the global media - your missing the whole issue again mr Lemmon

 

[ninij9]

I so agree put on your thinking caps media . All this bewilderment about how they got in their car fast and left. Where were they going

to their garage, for what?

The 12 pipe bombs obviouly they did not need any additioial bullets , but yeh its probably not a good idea to go crusing around with tons of homemade pipe bombs .

Would be neat to find out how far the theatre was from their home !

then where the theatre that TWO onther cell members were casing 48 hours ago .

Do we have any mapmakers here?

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[Tillicum]

Did this modest killer leave the apartment in her killer uniform or did she change somewhere along the way?

 

[CARIIS]

not lately.........but i have. I think it was inside a closet after a long night of drinking.

you cant fool us - you knew you were in the closet (ha thats funny!) you just did not want to listen to momma bit#h at you the next morning - smart man

in the closet she would think it was the puppy -- slick .............

you may be able to fool mama but not sluethers !

 

[CARIIS]

They are replaying the lawyers I turned the volume off cant hear it again

 

[Ellie9]

They are replaying the lawyers I turned the volume off cant hear it again

I feel as though this is the first time I've heard of lawyers trying to stand up for deceased mass shooters. Has this happened before and I've missed it? This just seems very odd.

 

[bluesneakers]

she was always covered and at family gatherings the men & women stayed separate. Which doesn't sound too normal to me for America. Saudi Arabia yes, but not here.

A burqa is different from hijab, niqab or abaya. I'm asking because if she were wearing a burqa she for sure would have stood out (wouldn't terrorists try to not draw attention to themselves?) but it would have been easy to hide her identity if she were someone other than who she said she was.

ETA:

The other noted that Malik was very soft-spoken and conservative -- so much that Farook's brothers never saw her face, due to the full burqa she always wore in public.

My tin foil hat is conducting electricity.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

 

[CARIIS]

Sure. She was impressionable and vulnerable. Exactly like her male counterparts. Those are the people ISIS recruits.

Weak, impressionable people who buy into the idiotic ideology they try and brainwash people with. These people aren't religious....not at all. No religion teaches it's followers to maim and kill. These people are simply cold blooded murderers who kill for the fun of killing. They love the power they brandish over their weak followers. They love they idea that they can influence people to kill on their behalf.

In my next post, I'm going to post something that I've never seen anybody mention---neither here or in the media.

It's going to be something I believe may be a huge factor in this ISIS stronghold.

I think the recruitment is very similiar to gangs. Disenfrachised , feeling powerless, needing support from someone, offerred some money, some power, a wife and poof off they go

 

[Boytwnmom]

or most animals even. Humans are biologically wired to focus on the offspring. Right? I know once my twin guys were born, that was it, you're a mama or a papa bear and you would NEVER willingly separate yourself from them and leave them dependent on anyone else. It just isn't human. And THAT is really scary.

I have the same nagging questions. My son is the same age as the shooter was. And he and his wife also have their first baby, a 6 month old precious girl. And it is absolutely impossible for me to imagine them abandoning her to go off and kill/maim dozens of co-workers. I cannot imagine them purposely making her an orphan. Their baby girl is their entire world right now. Everything they do is for her future. I just don't understand how these two 'parents' handed their baby off to Grandma and walked away from her like that. SMH :no:

 

[CARIIS]

I agree it's very important.

It also makes me question Obama's want to bring over 10,000 more refugees into the U.S. on a fast track.

media is leaving this out . There is no comparasion between visa and passports with what regugees have to do to get in.

Its like applying for a credit card with $ 4000 credit line , or one with a $100,000 limit - two totally different process - it takes on average two years for those guys to be vetted

 

[CARIIS]

or most animals even. Humans are biologically wired to focus on the offspring. Right? I know once my twin guys were born, that was it, you're a mama or a papa bear and you would NEVER willingly separate yourself from them and leave them dependent on anyone else. It just isn't human. And THAT is really scary.

The infant was nothing to them -- it was dressing to keep them from standing out imo

 

[Gigi-G]

What scares me to death is, I don't think they are killing just to kill (ISIS) I think they REALLY, REALLY believe the nonsense they spew. It's why they are Fanatical.

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Hit the nail on the head. And don't forget the money.... The £€$ billions they make by selling oil. They are just modern day Pirates. They plunder and steal by any means necessary to forward their game.
How'd ya think they are rolling around in new SUV'S. They parade their wealth. Albeit gained thru a violent take over of that facility.
Then they poison the weak. Impressionable. Disenchanted ones. And recruit...... its like network marketing humans on a global scale.. like Kleeneze. MLM. Multi level marketing. It's just not items that's being marketed it humans.. for the use of. JMOO

 

[CARIIS]

hummm wonder if the guy was actually bomb making shopping instead of going to pray all the time - great cover

do ammuntion stores have big sales on Fridays?

 

[popsicle]

ISIS and the Lonely Young American

Alex, a 23-year-old Sunday school teacher and babysitter, was trembling with excitement the day she told her Twitter followers that she had converted to Islam.

For months, she had been growing closer to a new group of friends online &#8212; the most attentive she had ever had &#8212; who were teaching her what it meant to be a Muslim. Increasingly, they were telling her about the Islamic State and how the group was building a homeland in Syria and Iraq where the holy could live according to God&#8217;s law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/world/americas/isis-online-recruiting-american.html?_r=0

I found this very informative and interesting when I read it a couple months ago.