CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[shanadk]

I've been wondering about what the potential reasons could be as to why BT's son would not share with our VI the method of communication between himself and his mother. I have read that he (son) has told someone else that it was via email? If he had shared with our VI that it was via email, then VI might ask to see said emails (I know that I would, if I were VI in this case). What would be the fear in showing any said emails to VI (or anyone else for that matter), unless there is something he is uncomfortable with... but yet he is not uncomfortable putting all this other stuff out there in the public via media and social media. Then we hear that BT may have enjoyed a possible situation of wealth. Makes me want to ask, when exactly was it that BT's son found out about this?

I really feel like this dissection of Barbara's sons actions is intrusive .
His Email is his business.

 

[PommyMommy]

I've been wondering about what the potential reasons could be as to why BT's son would not share with our VI the method of communication between himself and his mother. I have read that he (son) has told someone else that it was via email? If he had shared with our VI that it was via email, then VI might ask to see said emails (I know that I would, if I were VI in this case). What would be the fear in showing any said emails to VI (or anyone else for that matter), unless there is something he is uncomfortable with... but yet he is not uncomfortable putting all this other stuff out there in the public via media and social media. Then we hear that BT may have enjoyed a possible situation of wealth. Makes me want to ask, when exactly was it that BT's son found out about this?

See BBM

many people are choosing not to see his actions after her disappearance as suspicious, and that can be justified for a number of reasons.

it gives us hope this case is potentially not as devastating as the alternatives, is one great reason to keep these thoughts alive.

but the same people maybe overlooking the timing of her disappearance in relation to upcoming overseas travel, to see an ailing relative who barb may have been confident enough to confide in.

i have evidence that barb had been in contact with her son in the weeks leading up to her disappearance, where rob would have my father believe both robbie and barb were no longer communicating with matt.

i implore all concerned persons to please read thread one and two please. facts i am repeating for newcomers will have much more context.

 

[deugirtni]

I still wonder about this 'discrepancy' between RT's claim that LE told him the polygraph results showed he was being deceptive, and LE saying they didn't say anything about the results of the polygraph. I'm not trying to restart a dialogue about polygraphs and how they are used, what's typical for LE to say or do, their validity as a investigative tool, etc., etc. I just find it curious that RT brought it up himself and said LE told him about the results, and LE spokesperson says they don't release the results. So curious.... (BBM):

"A few days after the interview, Robert Thomas told Insider authorities considered him the prime suspect in their investigation after he failed a polygraph test.

Bachman said the Sheriff's Department does not release information on polygraph tests."

Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman

I'm thinking that when the reporter asked the police representative, 'Bachman', to verify or elaborate on that public info from RT that he had been found deceptive in his polygraph test, Bachman simply said something like, 'Sorry, the Sheriff's Department does not release information on polygraph tests.' But it may be being misconstrued to take on a different and incorrect meaning, that RT is lying about that. Just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I still wonder about this 'discrepancy' between RT's claim that LE told him the polygraph results showed he was being deceptive, and LE saying they didn't say anything about the results of the polygraph. I'm not trying to restart a dialogue about polygraphs and how they are used, what's typical for LE to say or do, their validity as a investigative tool, etc., etc. I just find it curious that RT brought it up himself and said LE told him about the results, and LE spokesperson says they don't release the results. So curious.... (BBM):

"A few days after the interview, Robert Thomas told Insider authorities considered him the prime suspect in their investigation after he failed a polygraph test.

Bachman said the Sheriff's Department does not release information on polygraph tests."

Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman

I can understand why RT related the polygraph story to the public.

He apparently was told that he showed deception when he knows that he was telling the truth. He's simply letting the public know that he understands that LE would consider him to be a suspect because of the circumstances and the polygraph.

If he asked me about polygraphs I would have told him to not take it in the first place and if he did and LE said he showed deception to not believe them. JMO

 

[deugirtni]

See BBM

(quote from dbdb11)
i have evidence that barb had been in contact with her son in the weeks leading up to her disappearance, where rob would have my father believe both robbie and barb were no longer communicating with matt

RSBM

At the time when our VI wrote that, I know his feelings on Matthew were different than they are now. Perhaps our VI can elaborate, but 'evidence' could simply mean that the son Matthew had told him this information, rather than that he actually had physical proof of its existence. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

I can understand why RT related the polygraph story to the public.

He apparently was told that he showed deception when he knows that he was telling the truth. He's simply letting the public know that he understands that LE would consider him to be a suspect because of the circumstances and the polygraph.

If he asked me about polygraphs I would have told him to not take it in the first place and if he did and LE said he showed deception to not believe them. JMO

I wouldn't have taken it either, and would've advised same as you if I had been advising *him*. *However*, can you imagine what we'd all be saying if he had refused to be polygraphed?

 

[shanadk]

We do not know where Barbara was after the drop off at the kennel.
It has NOT been verified that she was with RT at the gas station/convenience store.

Exactly.
Where was Barbara, immediately after the stop at the kennel?
Kennel appearance(B).. Convenience store appearance(R)... are Key points .

 

[deugirtni]

I really feel like this dissection of Barbara's sons actions is intrusive .
His Email is his business.

If you were another family member who also loved Barbara, wouldn't you appreciate being able to see those emails if they existed? In my experience, when people die, those closest to them are interested in knowing as much as they can about their departed loved ones, including their head-space, what their thoughts were, etc. jmo. In any case, this is a missing person case, and so it seems everything *may* end up having relevance. It is never fair when a victim's family is subjected to scrutiny and intrusiveness, but that is just how it is in life, as can be seen by thousands of threads on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wouldn't have taken it either, and would've advised same as you if I had been advising *him*. *However*, can you imagine what we'd all be saying if he had refused to be polygraphed?

Probably the same as some here feel about it. That he's being deceptive and trying to hide something. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I really feel like this dissection of Barbara's sons actions is intrusive .
His Email is his business.

When you reveal personal information to the media I would think one would expect to give up some of their privacy.
After all, he did go on tv and publicly accuse Barbara's husband of being responsible for her disappearance.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Exactly.
Where was Barbara, immediately after the stop at the kennel?
Kennel appearance(B).. Convenience store appearance(R)... are Key points .

Apparently not so much to LE. As far as we know they never went to the kennel to question the staff.

According to what LE has stated and what has been consistently reported in the media, the last place Barbara was seen was 1/4 mile from where they parked the RV, somewhere along the path to the rock formations, where RT saw her rounding a corner. The exact location is not known, but this is what LE believes and was the reason they searched for her there using all the resources they had for as long as she could possibly be alive.

They must have gone to the convenience store and verified his story because they never indicated they were interested in looking for Barbara in any other location nor did they ever ask for the public's help asking if they had seen anything at a different location.

Imo

 

[deugirtni]

Probably the same as some here feel about it. That he's being deceptive and trying to hide something. JMO

Yes.. but.. danged if you do, and danged if you don't.

 

[MsBetsy]

If you were another family member who also loved Barbara, wouldn't you appreciate being able to see those emails if they existed? In my experience, when people die, those closest to them are interested in knowing as much as they can about their departed loved ones, including their head-space, what their thoughts were, etc. jmo. In any case, this is a missing person case, and so it seems everything *may* end up having relevance. It is never fair when a victim's family is subjected to scrutiny and intrusiveness, but that is just how it is in life, as can be seen by thousands of threads on this forum.

Yes, and the fact that he would never give his cousin an answer as to how they were communicating suggests he was hiding something.
If he really wanted to prove something Barbara had said, I would think he would want documentation of it.
Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

See BBM

That post was long before he said that her son wouldn't tell him how they were communicating, and before he said that Matt is not a reliable source of information.

How could he have the evidence if he doesn't even know how they communicated? He would either be able to read an email or listen to a recording if they spoke by phone.

I'm sure it's possible they could have been communicating, but the VI had first said that he wasn't sure how long it had been since they had seen or spoke to each other because her son had given her a lot of problems when he was younger. So it must have been after they got in touch that Matt gave him this information.

Maybe it's a coincidence that they just started communicating again right before she went missing, and maybe he does have something to tell about her state of mind.

It's also possible that Robert had no idea they were back in touch with each other, and as far as he knew they weren't communicating.

Imo

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I really feel like this dissection of Barbara's sons actions is intrusive .
His Email is his business.

I agree, shanadk. Barbara and her loved ones (immediate family) have their own personal relationship with her, and are devastated, trying to deal with her disappearance and their loss. She is a victim through her disappearance that has not been solved in over 2 months, and everyone close to her is too. She is suddenly gone from their lives, with no explanation. It's unfathomable and an emotionally wrought situation.

They must be shattered, just shattered, her family, as RT must be, about the disappearance of his wife, Barbara.

We're not letting go of the search for you, Barb. Sitting with you in spirit.

MOO, looking for YOO

 

[MassGuy]

Probably the same as some here feel about it. That he's being deceptive and trying to hide something. JMO

Ironically, that’s precisely what the polygraph indicated.

According to him anyways.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman
"My mother and I were close. ... (We) spoke on the phone often (and) she loved my children, Christopher,13, and Natalie, 11. ... I wish my children and I lived out there. (Her disappearance) would not have happened," he added.

Thanks for this, PommyMommy. I believe him, and what he feels. He has lost his mom!! And his children have lost their grandma, all of a sudden!! He doesn't know what has happened to her!! Seriously, if my mom disappeared on a trip with her second husband right before an overseas trip to visit her ailing brother who was in the hospital, and he didn't call me right away to tell me and express concern, I would be apoplectic! MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ironically, that’s precisely what the polygraph indicated.

According to him anyways.

Allegedly according to what LE said to him.

In other words it doesn't mean anything at this point. JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

When you reveal personal information to the media I would think one would expect to give up some of their privacy.
After all, he did go on tv and publicly accuse Barbara's husband of being responsible for her disappearance.

Imo

I respectfully disagree. If my mom disappeared, I would move heaven and earth to do what I could to find her, even if it meant I revealed personal information to the media. It's what I would do, if it was my mom. ETA: I would be desperate, and utilize any means available to me, including social media, and the 'regular' media. I would do whatever I could possibly do, including moving mountains, and putting whatever I could 'out there', no matter how 'crazy' I might sound. My momma. My loved one. My kid's grandma. I'd do it all, and just hope for some resolution. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

I respectfully disagree. If my mom disappeared, I would move heaven and earth to do what I could to find her, even if it meant I revealed personal information to the media. It's what I would do, if it was my mom. MOO

Yes, of course, but you would still be revealing personal information knowing that thousands or in some cases millions of people would be listening and could potentially talk about that personal information. It's a chance you would have to take and you would expect that. Imo