CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[believe09]

I am going to try the roasted garlic, even though the idea makes me a little nervous. I honestly thought GrainneDhu was making a single dish with 36 cloves, and when she didn't appear for a while, I started to worry she'd taken a bite and knocked herself out or something!

I cant speak for GrainneDhu, but dont be surprised if you sweat a little garlic smell until your body gets used to it. It is worth it, and it keeps the bugs away. Well, and the vampires.

 

[believe09]

Someone brought up a wrongful death lawsuit-given the ex parte we have posted in the doc thread, I would think that this is a given. It pretty much lays out what Mrs Harrod believes might have happened to her husband and possibly gives us a peek inside the police investigation. Those are strong words-fightin words actually. There is little chance they have no foundation, imvho.

 

[believe09]

Seeing the mention homegrown is best; I don't have garlic but a garden full of beautiful pumpkins in all colours and shapes, given to me by a neighbour. Now they're grown, neighbour tells me they're for decoration only and can't be eaten. I've never heard of a poison pumpkin. It doesn't seem right, somehow!

I would heed that neighbor-maybe it isnt the poison but the taste?? I like homegrown pumpkins (edible ones!) best as well.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Someone brought up a wrongful death lawsuit-given the ex parte we have posted in the doc thread, I would think that this is a given. It pretty much lays out what Mrs Harrod believes might have happened to her husband and possibly gives us a peek inside the police investigation. Those are strong words-fightin words actually.There is little chance they have no foundation, imvho.

Oh, I hope those foundations prove as solid as a rock. Hope they're strong enough to withstand all the machinations these people will get up to, to undermine them.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Regarding Cubby and tlcox's idea that things that happened around Bob long before he disappeared maybe more -or as -important as those last few weeks;
That could then make that heated family meeting less significant? Just a culmination of stuff that had been bubbling away for a long time. I wonder if financial consultants have the same sort of rules as attorneys? I assume Bob had an advisor and I would love to know if he/she was able to help LE with information, or not.

I think the heated (or not) family meeting served as the trigger for something that had been contemplated for quite a while. So it didn't give anyone an idea; all it did was give the final push to making a previously entertained idea a reality.

I suspect that Bob probably did have a financial accountant or tax preparer. However, it's the old problem of GIGO: an accountant or tax preparer can only deal with the information that they have been given. If Bob didn't have the information as to what was going on, then anyone he used as a consultant probably didn't figure it out either.

As a purely made up example, say Jane Public's daughter Jennifer married a man named John Shady. To help Jennifer and John get a headstart towards being in a good position to start a family (Jane really really wants grandbabies to cuddle), Jane offers to fund a home for them. She offers them a mortgage based on the best terms commercially available at the time, not realising (or caring) that John Shady's credit score is horrible and there is no way he could qualify for those terms from a regular bank. She's not digging around into her son-in-law's credit score.

Jennifer and John take care of finding the house and negotiating with the homeowner, who is acting as his own realtor. They bring the final total to Jane, who doesn't realise it is for $25K more than the homeowner accepted. Jane has seen the price in the ad and the sum that Jennifer and John brought her is somewhat lower.

A financial advisor would be unlikely to catch this bit of fraud. It wouldn't take much digging to discover it but since Jane has no misgivings about the transaction and only purpose in consulting her accountant is to make sure it conforms to IRS rules (want to avoid that gift tax, you know), the consultant doesn't check to make sure that all the figures are on the up and up.

A forensic accountant would nail this one easily because their task is to dig out all the details regarding every transaction.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am going to try the roasted garlic, even though the idea makes me a little nervous. I honestly thought GrainneDhu was making a single dish with 36 cloves, and when she didn't appear for a while, I started to worry she'd taken a bite and knocked herself out or something!

Heck, I have a recipe for chicken with 40 cloves of garlic and very good it is too. It's slow roasted, so the garlic cooks into a deeply sweet, savoury flavour that seeps into the chicken.

Hmmmm, should make that for my father as well. A whole chicken is cheap here and it's easy to do, particularly since the oven will be fired up for other dishes.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Seeing the mention homegrown is best; I don't have garlic but a garden full of beautiful pumpkins in all colours and shapes, given to me by a neighbour. Now they're grown, neighbour tells me they're for decoration only and can't be eaten. I've never heard of a poison pumpkin. It doesn't seem right, somehow!

They're not poisonous, they're just not very good to eat.

Pumpkin soup and pumpkin pie made with homegrown pumpkins... mmmmmmmm

I am gonna be in a food coma by the time cooking week is done!

 

[GrainneDhu]

I cant speak for GrainneDhu, but dont be surprised if you sweat a little garlic smell until your body gets used to it. It is worth it, and it keeps the bugs away. Well, and the vampires.

The amount of garlic smell left behind is nothing to a man raised on kim-chee!

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

I think the heated (or not) family meeting served as the trigger for something that had been contemplated for quite a while. So it didn't give anyone an idea; all it did was give the final push to making a previously entertained idea a reality.

I suspect that Bob probably did have a financial accountant or tax preparer. However, it's the old problem of GIGO: an accountant or tax preparer can only deal with the information that they have been given. If Bob didn't have the information as to what was going on, then anyone he used as a consultant probably didn't figure it out either.

As a purely made up example, say Jane Public's daughter Jennifer married a man named John Shady. To help Jennifer and John get a headstart towards being in a good position to start a family (Jane really really wants grandbabies to cuddle), Jane offers to fund a home for them. She offers them a mortgage based on the best terms commercially available at the time, not realising (or caring) that John Shady's credit score is horrible and there is no way he could qualify for those terms from a regular bank. She's not digging around into her son-in-law's credit score.

Jennifer and John take care of finding the house and negotiating with the homeowner, who is acting as his own realtor. They bring the final total to Jane, who doesn't realise it is for $25K more than the homeowner accepted. Jane has seen the price in the ad and the sum that Jennifer and John brought her is somewhat lower.

A financial advisor would be unlikely to catch this bit of fraud. It wouldn't take much digging to discover it but since Jane has no misgivings about the transaction and only purpose in consulting her accountant is to make sure it conforms to IRS rules (want to avoid that gift tax, you know), the consultant doesn't check to make sure that all the figures are on the up and up.

A forensic accountant would nail this one easily because their task is to dig out all the details regarding every transaction.

I learnt to read using Janet and John books. Your post has been as helpful for me in making sense of this aspect, as those books were in helping my reading skills. Thanks!

 

[GrainneDhu]

Someone brought up a wrongful death lawsuit-given the ex parte we have posted in the doc thread, I would think that this is a given. It pretty much lays out what Mrs Harrod believes might have happened to her husband and possibly gives us a peek inside the police investigation. Those are strong words-fightin words actually. There is little chance they have no foundation, imvho.

If Fontelle chooses that route, I hope someone warns her that such lawsuits have a way of taking over the plaintiff's life. Then again, Fontelle has surely demonstrated she has no lack of courage.

And someone has to fight for Bob. Whoever the guilty party is, I believe they are very, very angry that it turned out Bob would have someone to represent him as a human being after he was gone. I really do suspect that the guilty party figured Fontelle would just go back to Missouri in a week or two and forget all about her fairytale romance.

 

[zwiebel]

They're not poisonous, they're just not very good to eat.

Pumpkin soup and pumpkin pie made with homegrown pumpkins... mmmmmmmm

I am gonna be in a food coma by the time cooking week is done!

Oh, hush. I got addicted to pumpkin pie when I visited the states, but I don't think there's a single country in Europe that makes it. I tried making one myself using a recipe I found in England and it was really, really horrible.

 

[zwiebel]

The amount of garlic smell left behind is nothing to a man raised on kim-chee!

Had to google that and the first thing I got was a London restaurant. Wondered what was going on!

 

[zwiebel]

If Fontelle chooses that route, I hope someone warns her that such lawsuits have a way of taking over the plaintiff's life. Then again, Fontelle has surely demonstrated she has no lack of courage.

And someone has to fight for Bob. Whoever the guilty party is, I believe they are very, very angry that it turned out Bob would have someone to represent him as a human being after he was gone. I really do suspect that the guilty party figured Fontelle would just go back to Missouri in a week or two and forget all about her fairytale romance.

Absolutely. I am still amazed that the family thought they could go the house, tell her to leave and she would just turn tail and head home. Did they really think a lady prepared to pack up and leave family and friends behind for the man she loved, would just shrug her shoulders and give up on him?
Perhaps they were all too accustomed to being able to bully people into doing what they wanted them to do.

 

[believe09]

If Fontelle chooses that route, I hope someone warns her that such lawsuits have a way of taking over the plaintiff's life. Then again, Fontelle has surely demonstrated she has no lack of courage.

And someone has to fight for Bob. Whoever the guilty party is, I believe they are very, very angry that it turned out Bob would have someone to represent him as a human being after he was gone. I really do suspect that the guilty party figured Fontelle would just go back to Missouri in a week or two and forget all about her fairytale romance.

No question. Absolutely no question they thought she could be cowed and pushed home. I suspect that she was even offered some kind of deal at one point to go away. It seems reasonable that this family would expect money to talk to others as it talks to them.

 

[Oriah]

Trying to speed read and catch up on K9 questions. I think it was cubby who asked upthread about containment methods?
That's one of the best parts of K9s who are trained to 'trail' specific scents. This is where forensics come into play.

Let's say someone died inside a vehicle or was placed in a vehicle already deceased and then was transported elsewhere. Or was deceased and contained in a container, or trash bag, or drop cloth or.. yeah ya'll get the idea.
Could the K9 follow the trail of the vehicle? No, imvho. But could you ID that missing individual placed in the vehicle by following the path the victim traveled or was moved in? Yes. Absolutely.
Again, just mvhoo.
Yikes, I have some terrible thoughts running through my head right now.

 

[believe09]

zwiebel you and I posted at the same time, lol.

 

[believe09]

Trying to speed read and catch up on K9 questions. I think it was cubby who asked upthread about containment methods?
That's one of the best parts of K9s who are trained to 'trail' specific scents. This is where forensics come into play.

Let's say someone died inside a vehicle or was placed in a vehicle already deceased and then was transported elsewhere. Or was deceased and contained in a container, or trash bag, or drop cloth or.. yeah ya'll get the idea.
Could the K9 follow the trail of the vehicle? No, imvho. But could you ID that missing individual placed in the vehicle by following the path the victim traveled or was moved? Yes. Absolutely.
Again, just mvhoo.
Yikes, I have some terrible thoughts running through my head right now.

Oh boy-I have terrible thoughts racing as well. Poor Bob.

 

[zwiebel]

Trying to speed read and catch up on K9 questions. I think it was cubby who asked upthread about containment methods?
That's one of the best parts of K9s who are trained to 'trail' specific scents. This is where forensics come into play.

Let's say someone died inside a vehicle or was placed in a vehicle already deceased and then was transported elsewhere. Or was deceased and contained in a container, or trash bag, or drop cloth or.. yeah ya'll get the idea.
Could the K9 follow the trail of the vehicle? No, imvho. But could you ID that missing individual placed in the vehicle by following the path the victim traveled or was moved in? Yes. Absolutely.
Again, just mvhoo.
Yikes, I have some terrible thoughts running through my head right now.

If something had been placed in the dog's way, in a place it wanted to go to, would it indicate that to the trainer?

 

[zwiebel]

zwiebel you and I posted at the same time, lol.

Yes, and we both used the word absolutely. I thought I was reading my post!

 

[Oriah]

I should have been more clear on that last post. There is not a lot of evidence of success in dog dropping re: vehicles, and specifically with no other evidence involved. But when you have a semi-decent trail using evidence already known...there is a lot of success, imo.
Maybe another verified SAR professional could weigh in?

It seems somewhat simple to me that since we have a last seen location, perhaps some cleaning attempts after that- and then nothing after that- that a forensic K9 might be very helpful!