CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[Cubby]

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This is a link to the Police Report and Well Being Check. When JuM called Mrs Harrod and prompted her to file the MP report, the clothing description given was white PANTS, white socks, white shoes and white shirt.

We know Mrs Harrod wasnt there that day because she was out of the state. She was provided with the SUV story and it seems reasonable that she was provided with the all white clothing description.

At some point, pants were changed to shorts. And shirt was changed to unknown. And the SUV story fell off the face of the planet. Even the daughter who set up the NAMUS profile had the sense not to include it. IMO.

Huh.

BBM. Thinking outloud..... what was the date Bob's profile was entered into NamUs? Interesting the info on the SUV was not included in the NamUs profile, that would indicate to me they knew the SUV story had been ruled out and the person cleared by the time the data was entered into NamUs.

Noticable to us, I'm sure it wasn't overlooked by LE. Hmm.

 

[Oriah]

So where is Bob? Close? Far? Has he been moved?

I doubt the last one. That takes a strong, cold, evilness in my opinion. It is bad enough to have killed him accidentally or otherwise. To go back and revisit your handiwork? I dont see it here. Just my non professional opinion.

He is near one of the principal's houses I bet. And I dont think everyone who might have a piece of this story knows exactly where he is either. Again, just my non professional opinion.

Boy, here is a thought-any chance who ever carried this out dislikes a family member more than another? Would you be tempted to dump Bob somewhere close to that person?

I would be extremely surprised if he has been moved. But I would NOT be surprised if certain other items were disposed of in separate locations, clustered together with a smallish radius.
I don't think this was an organized crime, and I don't think any of the folks who may be involved were thinking very clearly at the time. I think whoever is responsible for making Mr. Harrod disappear have probably had a lot of sleepless nights over the last three years, wondering when this is going to catch up with them. Wouldn't surprise me if there are some dr visits, or increases in substance abuse- that sort of thing.

At any rate, I'm with you believe09. Close to home, unless moved after the fact by nature, or waste management.

 

[Cubby]

Only if I knew the area where the disliked family member lived pretty thoroughly.

While I don't have a lot of respect for FBI profilers, I do respect the idea that is behind geographic profiling: criminals have a certain area that they are most familiar with and therefore most likely to commit crimes within. If you put a dot on a map where the criminal lives, there's one small ring around it representing the area that the perp feels is too close for comfort. Then there's a larger ring, which represents the perp's knowledge zone, the area where they feel most confident.

Disposing of a corpse isn't easy. I think we can all agree that Bob left his home in a vehicle, since he was not spotted outside the day he disappeared. Getting a 160 pound corpse out of a vehicle isn't going to be quick and it's going to call for some significant muscle power. The perp had to know the area well enough to feel confident that they would have 5-15 minutes without anyone else coming by.

And it just occurred to me that with the heat that day, rigor mortis would have set in faster. It's a chemical reaction in the muscles and, like any chemical reaction, heat speeds it up. So it may well have been more difficult to remove Bob's body from the vehicle than I thought.

Unless Bob got into the vehicle under some pretext and was driven out somewhere and then killed. That would solve most or all of the physical problems in disposing of a corpse; no need for muscle power if the victim can move on their own. It doesn't change that the perp would have needed assurance that no one would drive by during the crime.

In any case, I think Bob is somewhere relatively close to either his own home or the perp's home.

I feel absolutely certain that only the perp (and perhaps a single accomplice) knows where Bob is. The others who know what happened really don't want to know where Bob is.

Using this post as a spring board......

Hypothetically considering AH, and JeM as the primary's here we should review their address history down in the sar thread and take a look for possible locations with all of their address history. Going back to the time JeM moved to CA.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you for putting that link there Cubby. Even if it wasn't especially for me.

 

[believe09]

I feel absolutely certain that only the perp (and perhaps a single accomplice) knows where Bob is. The others who know what happened really don't want to know where Bob is.

I think that too GrainneDhu. Poor Bob.

 

[believe09]

I would be extremely surprised if he has been moved. But I would NOT be surprised if certain other items were disposed of in separate locations, clustered together with a smallish radius.
I don't think this was an organized crime, and I don't think any of the folks who may be involved were thinking very clearly at the time. I think whoever is responsible for making Mr. Harrod disappear have probably had a lot of sleepless nights over the last three years, wondering when this is going to catch up with them. Wouldn't surprise me if there are some dr visits, or increases in substance abuse- that sort of thing.

At any rate, I'm with you believe09. Close to home, unless moved after the fact by nature, or waste management.

In the Jessica Ridgeway case, LE asked that people pay attention to folks who seemed to have changed, taking time off, perhaps abusing drugs or alcohol.

I would bet that even though three years have passed, people in Orange County might remember someone in Bob's circle who perhaps was suffering like the above.

 

[Oriah]

In the Jessica Ridgeway case, LE asked that people pay attention to folks who seemed to have changed, taking time off, perhaps abusing drugs or alcohol.

I would bet that even though three years have passed, people in Orange County might remember someone in Bob's circle who perhaps was suffering like the above.

Agreed.
I know how people feel about profilers- whether FBI or state/regional or local- and feel like I do understand why faith fails us at times when it comes to LE profiling. But there does seem to be at least one consistant truth running through the analysis of most every profile- which is that people involved in a crime tend to change their behavior, either knowingly or unknowingly; and usually in a way that helps to relieve stress for them.

Maybe we should be focusing on that? Outlets for stress relief? Who sought specific stress relief in the first few weeks after Mr. Harrod disappeared?

 

[believe09]

Well we know that one or more of the daughters stopped working. But a missing loved one can be very stressful, so I suspect we would need both obvious and subtle signs from the person responsible.

 

[Angelo]

Well we know that one or more of the daughters stopped working. But a missing loved one can be very stressful, so I suspect we would need both obvious and subtle signs from the person responsible.

How about not returning to finish "odd jobs", "small Projects", etc. when you left a note stating you would. How about, to the best of my knowledge, never returning to the house again.

 

[zwiebel]

Well we know that one or more of the daughters stopped working. But a missing loved one can be very stressful, so I suspect we would need both obvious and subtle signs from the person responsible.

These can often evidence themselves in a person's writing; both style and content. Stress, that is.

 

[Oriah]

Yes- people do tend to shut down for sure. Not able to work, go to the grocery store, that sort of thing.
I was thinking more of anyone in Mr. Harrod's life that may have reverted to a self comforting type of behavior in the short term following his disappearance?

 

[zwiebel]

Suzyq211, looks like we won't be seeing that article we'd love to see (nothing new). But all hope is not lost - if Disappeared throws up anything, or there's anything else that provides a new edge, then it might happen!

 

[zwiebel]

Yes- people do tend to shut down for sure. Not able to work, go to the grocery store, that sort of thing.
I was thinking more of anyone in Mr. Harrod's life that may have reverted to a self comforting type of behavior in the short term following his disappearance?

I looked up self-comforting behaviour and there's a lot out there about children. When applied to adults there seems to be a wide range encompassing everything from eating disorders, obsessive behaviour and self-medication with drugs or alcohol, to taking up yoga and alternative therapies/beliefs.

Smoking isn't mentioned. Or cuddling pets, surprisingly. That's what I always do. Very soothing. Unless they bite you or have rolled in something horrible, of course.

I suppose obvious signs might be noticed by outsiders, medical professionals etc, but for the subtle signs it would be up to those closest to notice and then - most importantly - recognise them.

 

[believe09]

I am going to assume you meant the pets, not the smoking zwiebel.

Well, so we dont know what Bob was wearing or carrying when he disappeared. We all seem to agree that his wallet, glasses or keys probably wont be with him when he is found.

I think, personally, if he were dressed head to toe in white as suggested by the MP report, he might have stood out some if he had meandered away from his home. I would think he might have stood out if he were left anywhere out in the open, but Oriah can weigh in more on that one.

 

[zwiebel]

How about not returning to finish "odd jobs", "small Projects", etc. when you left a note stating you would. How about, to the best of my knowledge, never returning to the house again.

Almost the opposite of shutting down; stress that causes a person to almost flee.
I wonder if that carries further in some cases? If a person could go wild, take a road trip, an unplanned sabbatical, or perhaps just become much more outgoing and sociable than before? A sort of beyond-caring attitude?

 

[SuziQ]

So where is Bob? Close? Far? Has he been moved?

I doubt the last one. That takes a strong, cold, evilness in my opinion. It is bad enough to have killed him accidentally or otherwise. To go back and revisit your handiwork? I dont see it here. Just my non professional opinion.

He is near one of the principal's houses I bet. And I dont think everyone who might have a piece of this story knows exactly where he is either. Again, just my non professional opinion.

Boy, here is a thought-any chance who ever carried this out dislikes a family member more than another? Would you be tempted to dump Bob somewhere close to that person?

I always wonder if they all sleep with one eye open, knowing they could be the next person to finance anothers lifestyle. Or someone decides to reduce the slices in the pie, or make them the fall guy...IYKWIM.

I have a question. If someone takes a life insurance policy out on you, without you knowing it, how would you know?

 

[Cubby]

Authorities are asking anyone with information about Harrod's disappearance to contact
detective Dave Radomski at 714-993-8176,
or contact the homicide hotline at 714-993-8166.

 

[zwiebel]

I always wonder if they all sleep with one eye open, knowing they could be the next person to finance anothers lifestyle. Or someone decides to reduce the slices in the pie, or make them the fall guy...IYKWIM.

I have a question. If someone takes a life insurance policy out on you, without you knowing it, how would you know?

I'm surprised that hasn't been outlawed by now. But there's a thread on here about a child who had a twenty-five thousand dollar policy taken out on their life. I suppose the only way you could find out is by accident, or maybe if you tried to get other insurance yourself? Probably not though, as policies tend to be easy to get and often, the exclusions only become really apparent when it is payout time.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, is that hotline 24hr?

 

[Cubby]

I'm sure they are 24 hour, zweibel. Though they might go to voice mail if a live person isn't available.