CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[Cubby]

I would just like to see the whole story on Disappeared, in the order in which it went down. I already programmed my DVR to record it. I can't wait. We may get a better idea of the area surrounding them in the hills, and a good look at the layout of the house. I wonder if they will replicate the house.

I live close enough that if it does go to trial, I can maybe go to it if it's allowed.

After spending hours thinking about it, I decided to stick around and ignore the bullies and board police and just report any problems.

This case is important to me. Bob is important to me. I'm still learning about the case. I may take a drive to Placentia and check out the area. I did that on the McStay case, took a trip to Fallbrook and Bonsall, went by the house the family lived in before they disappeared, to get my bearings about the case. And as I told one member here who was nice enough to PM me today, that I'm a local, I can add information of the area, weather, freeway system, school year, geography and some of the topography in the area.

Thank you, SeaJay, your participation in is case is important and valuable as you have feet on the ground in your area! Oh, how I would love to join you for trial. thanks for not giving up on Bob!

 

[zwiebel]

I am not 100 per cent certain of course, but In my own mind I've found strong reasons against any scenario but that of a quick disposal and then away. To know that the landscape that looks so open can be deceptive, and things can easily be concealed, makes me almost certain it will be somewhere like this where Bob will be found.

Or perhaps other items will be found first, not far away?

 

[Cubby]

I am not 100 per cent certain of course, but In my own mind I've found strong reasons against any scenario but that of a quick disposal and then away. To know that the landscape that looks so open can be deceptive, and things can easily be concealed, makes me almost certain it will be somewhere like this where Bob will be found.

Or perhaps other items will be found first, not far away?

I'm going to reply to this post down in the SAR thread.

Sorry, I don't have the link handy at the moment, but will come back to add it in a bit.

SAR thread for Mr. Harrod's case, click here.

 

[suzyq211]

Jumping off this, did you see the video of the terrain I posted, and what do you think?

I was a bit surprised to see the vegetation looked like, mostly, lowish and fairly sparse shrubs. And that in most places along the road, a person could see for miles. Just throwing something off the side of the road would risk leaving it visible - especially, as you mention - shiny ceramics. Unless they were avocado coloured. That would be bad luck.

As for the earth itself, despite the fact it had obviously rained recently in the video, it looked very stony, sandy and light. Fairly easy to dig?

Thinking as I'm writing, I remember now trying to dig a part of my garden containing the remains of an old brick floor. It was horrendous. I broke the fork. I just don't know now.

I am only going on what I saw on the video mind you, and that wasn't that much. I couldn't keep my eyes off the road in case we crashed.

I always thought Bob would be found in a canyon somewhere...there are so many of them.

 

[Seajay]

Bumping my own post for you Seajay. This is the type of terrain I'm talking about.

Wow Zwie, there is all kinds of different terrain there. Flat roads with sage brush and low ground cover on the sides. Then some shots of cliff on one side, a drop on the other, then trees and rocks and water as they get up into the mountain area.

It would be hard to hide anything at the lower elevations unless you go off the path and take it out away from used paths. But then the buzzards will find it and tip someone off that there is a cadavar of some kind there.

And it's guys like these, out on their motorcycles that are the types to find DB that have been dumped in remote places.

 

[Seajay]

I want to take a moment to point everyone to the Caylee Anthony threads. Two sleuthers uncovered some very specific and disturbing evidence that might have been a game changer in Casey Anthony's trial.

Websleuthers. An attorney and an engineer. Using simple FOIA requests.

Link One

Link Two

Not hacks, not monsters, not stay at home Mom's with bon bons and a bag of chips.

Game changers. Note there are no threats of recriminations, in fact there is nothing to be said to dispute the FACTS of what they discovered.

They effectively cleared George Anthony of any possible hint of participation in this crime.
The truth is the truth is the truth.

Hats off to not only those sleuthers, but the dedicated men and women from all walks of life who refused to let Caylee's story fade away. Regardless of the perp's desire to move on with her own life after sadistically causing her daughter's death.

believe, that's where I spent my time yesterday after I left here. I'm so proud of us at a community. They did an awesome job. They exposed the truth, which is the type of work we are trying to do here.

The password protected login ID is the smoking gun. What a difference that would have made at the trial.

 

[Seajay]

and jumping off your post, zwiebel. You mention dig, in Bob's case because the area is so mountaneous my first thought was always that he was disposed of, or dropped, into a deep ravine along with the discarded materials from the home. In a place with vehicle access but an area where the mountaneous road wouldn't get much foot traffic.

How deep of a ravine, IDK, and what access to trails, IDK, but for some reason I always envision Bob in an area with shelfy rocks near and above him. As if he could have slipped/rolled into a rocky area or rocks could have fallen on him. It's an awful thought, but the one that comes to me time and time again.

Cubby, there are lots of areas like you describe in the mountains. Windy roads up the mountain side, with wall of mountain on one said, sheer drop on the other. The Lake Arrowhead, Running Springs, Big Bear area are tourist destinations and most of those roads are well traveled. It's a winter haven since they are our local mountain range that gets snow in the winter.

Once up there, there are a lot of off the beaten path roads that can be taken. Bob disappeared July 29, in the middle of summer. There wouldn't be any snow, so all roads would be open and passable.

 

[zwiebel]

Seajay, so glad you dropped in! Can you help me out with a couple of questions about highways? Am having trouble.
If you head North out of Placentia, to Glendora, and then east on the highway running alongside Angeles Nat Forest, what's that highway? The 210 or 57?

 

[zwiebel]

I'm going to reply to this post down in the SAR thread.

Sorry, I don't have the link handy at the moment, but will come back to add it in a bit.

SAR thread for Mr. Harrod's case, click here.

Just bumping Cubby's post because people with map skills/local knowledge are particularly welcome down there at the moment. Just click on the link.

 

[Seajay]

Seajay, so glad you dropped in! Can you help me out with a couple of questions about highways? Am having trouble.
If you head North out of Placentia, to Glendora, and then east on the highway running alongside Angeles Nat Forest, what's that highway? The 210 or 57?

It's the 210 or Foothill Fwy as we call it.

 

[Seajay]

Just bumping Cubby's post because people with map skills/local knowledge are particularly welcome down there at the moment. Just click on the link.

Thanks for the bread crumbs, I didn't know it existed.

 

[zwiebel]

I only found it because I was lost one day. Oriah's usually around there but it is only me and Shana at the moment.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you for that answer Seajay, it may not be much to you, but it means an awful lot to me!
(I am not a great map or numbers person).

 

[Seajay]

Thank you for that answer Seajay, it may not be much to you, but it means an awful lot to me!
(I am not a great map or numbers person).

It's called the Foothill Fwy because it's at the foot of the hills of Angeles National Forest and the other surrounding hills.

It's heavily traveled. It's one of the main west-east arteries to getting to Riverside/San Bernadino area to the east or to Pasadena/Los Angeles to the west from out that way.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you very much for that. You have helped me define why I don't like that route for Bob in his final journey.
Heavily travelled. A main artery. Other people stopped at stopping points during the vacation period. Probably daylight.
No, I don't think he's there.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, is it possible to put a link to the SAR thread in a signature or something here? I think people are missing it.

 

[zwiebel]

Just to separate things for a moment, because the SAR thread and this one seem to have converged slightly - okay, I got confused and started posting in the wrong thread, I admit it!

But....put yourself in someones' shoes for a minute. Your husband comes home. He's been working at your Dad's place. Minor repairs. Not unusual.

Unusual is, Dad (who cannot walk far) vanishes from the house during a short period when your hubbie is at the hardware store. Hubbie tells you he came back after a few minutes/little while to find the cleaning lady sitting on the doorstep. She was fussing and worried, because Dad always left the key for her, in a special place, if he was going to be out when she came. And that was rare.

You know your Dad. And his habits. You lived next door to him for years.
Could/should the conversation have gone something like this?

'Whaddya mean, he disappeared.?"

"Just disappeared pumpkin, just like that."

"He tell you he was going somewhere?"

"No sweetheart, he was just gone."

"Uh hu. Okay. You checked with the neighbours?"

"Um, no honey."

"You checked with his friends?"

"Not exactly, sweetheart."

"But he was there when you left? He came back, right?"

"Not exactly, honey pie."

"Godammn it, he either came back or he didn't!"

"Well honey, no."

" And you just left? You just left although you know my Dad can't walk more than a block and never goes out, you didn't even hang around to see if he came back? What in the heck!!! What time did you go to the store? What time did you get back? When did you leave the house? Oh my gosh, how long has he been gone? I cannot believe you are telling me all this-"

"Honey pie-"

"You call me honey once more I'm gonna kill you. Shut up, I'm calling my dad. You get PPD on the line, just in case he doesn't answer."

 

[GrainneDhu]

Just to separate things for a moment, because the SAR thread and this one seem to have converged slightly - okay, I got confused and started posting in the wrong thread, I admit it!

But....put yourself in someones' shoes for a minute. Your husband comes home. He's been working at your Dad's place. Minor repairs. Not unusual.

Unusual is, Dad (who cannot walk far) vanishes from the house during a short period when your hubbie is at the hardware store. Hubbie tells you he came back after a few minutes/little while to find the cleaning lady sitting on the doorstep. She was fussing and worried, because Dad always left the key for her, in a special place, if he was going to be out when she came. And that was rare.

You know your Dad. And his habits. You lived next door to him for years.
Could/should the conversation have gone something like this?

'Whaddya mean, he disappeared.?"

"Just disappeared pumpkin, just like that."

"He tell you he was going somewhere?"

"No sweetheart, he was just gone."

"Uh hu. Okay. You checked with the neighbours?"

"Um, no honey."

"You checked with his friends?"

"Not exactly, sweetheart."

"But he was there when you left? He came back, right?"

"Not exactly, honey pie."

"Godammn it, he either came back or he didn't!"

"Well honey, no."

" And you just left? You just left although you know my Dad can't walk more than a block and never goes out, you didn't even hang around to see if he came back? What in the heck!!! What time did you go to the store? What time did you get back? When did you leave the house? Oh my gosh, how long has he been gone? I cannot believe you are telling me all this-"

"Honey pie-"

"You call me honey once more I'm gonna kill you. Shut up, I'm calling my dad. You get PPD on the line, just in case he doesn't answer."

Your dialog made me laugh so hard Mr Grainne wanted to know what was up. I read it to him (complete with voices, of course; Mr Grainne was particularly convulsed by my attempt to imitate the JuM baby voice) and he had this to say:

"If this had been you, the Stare of Doom would have been employed after I admitted I hadn't checked the neighbours. And then I would have babbled the truth out, just to turn off the Stare of Doom."

I honestly can't imagine a woman who has been married as long as JuM and raised a child not knowing the Stare of Doom and not knowing when to employ it.

 

[believe09]

Your dialog made me laugh so hard Mr Grainne wanted to know what was up. I read it to him (complete with voices, of course; Mr Grainne was particularly convulsed by my attempt to imitate the JuM baby voice) and he had this to say:

"If this had been you, the Stare of Doom would have been employed after I admitted I hadn't checked the neighbours. And then I would have babbled the truth out, just to turn off the Stare of Doom."

I honestly can't imagine a woman who has been married as long as JuM and raised a child not knowing the Stare of Doom and not knowing when to employ it.

OK-I bet PPD would be grateful if you would employ it on their behalf.

 

[zwiebel]

I love the 'stare of doom', can I borrow it, for an indefinite period?