CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #3

[Quester]

*IF* BL's body ended up in the lake, he would have had to swim or have taken a boat to that spot in the lake; or, someone had to have taken him in a boat ...

Would Castaic Lake's brand spanking new camera/surveillance system have video/audio/motion sensors/?? of someone swimming/boating on that Fri between 4:20am and whenever the crashed SUV was first discovered by the reporting party?

Note: I realize it was probably dark out. Full moon? Looks like it was a half moon that night.

 

[kmw461]

IIRC surveillance camera showed a person not necessarily Bryce. I watched a show about canine searches. They are not always correct as seen in other missing persons cases.


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But since the SUV was shown on camera 1 minute after Bryce's last call to his mom and he didn't give any indication of a problem (other than he was tired), than we have to assume either Bryce was the driver or, at least, it was Bryce's choice to have this person driving his car.

 

[BluePoppy]

I agree except where's the "suburban area" he stopped at? I guess it must be closer to Castaic, but it's kind of hard to tell IMO. Given the options, I really hope he stuck to truck stop areas.

Given that he called him mom at 2:08 & passed the camera in Castaic at 2:09, the suburban area was the housing on Lake Hughes Rd before you get to the lake.

RSBM
I started re-reading news articles and was very surprised to find one saying that his parents did NOT know he was going to come down to Laguna Niguel until THURSDAY when they found out he had ran out of gas and used their roadside assistance service. What??? How did I forget that??? I remember now that I read somewhere days and days ago that Mom received an automatic message (text or call, I don't remember) from the roadside assistance company letting her know they delivered gas to one of her vehicles in Buttonwillow. Or that they had received a request to deliver gas. Apparently, that's how Mom found out Bryce was even on the road and not at his house?
RSBM

I saw someone mention this once & dismissed it, because I hadn't heard it via MSM. Can you link the article saying mom & dad had no idea Bryce was driving home? This does kind of add an element of unknown. Was he really heading home? If so, why didn't he tell them?

http://www.findbrycelaspisa.com/information.html ?

IMO, he looks just like his mom. (This is so damned sad... ugh.)

I clearly see mom & dad. Dad's smile & nose, mom's eyes.

Someone on the below Action News FB page stated they called about the smell of a decomposing body there "almost two weeks ago."

https://www.facebook.com/ActionNews1224

How long would it take for a body to start to smell in the current heat?

I guess I don't get the impression that Bryce is the type was prepared to strike out and live rough, with no money, none of his "things" etc.

Some college-aged people are definitely into the idea of that kind of a life or adventure, but nothing looks that way about Bryce, from what little we know. Not saying he lived a pampered life per se, but seemingly a pretty comfy one and kids tend to grow pretty accustomed to their comforts and very attached to their belongings, IMO.

The possibility of an emotional or mental break is a valid one to me, as my brother basically "left" the world at aged nineteen when mental illness hit seemingly out of the blue. But his instincts were to run for the safety of his room at home, certainly not to be out and about having to forage for survival. Maybe Bryce was seeking home and then had the accident, but if he was okay, I still feel like he would try very hard to get there.

JMO

I agree with all of this.

I don't know why people keep thinking that something significant happened in Buttonwillow. His mom sent the road side assistance guy back to check on him several hours later and he was still in the same spot, sleeping. Plus he was in Castaic..not only was his scent picked up but also he was on surveillance @ Castaic 1 minute or so after he talked to his mom and told her he was exiting the freeway to sleep.
RSBM
Why did he run out of gas? That's weird to me in itself. Why wouldnt he just stop and get gas...why let it run all the way out...everyone knows there is nothing but gas stations,food and hotel/motels off of every exit on the interstate..also i agree that if he had any cash on him he wouldnt be putting a $1.70 charge on his card.
RSBM

I've thought the same thing about nothing happening in Buttonwillow all along.

My theory on running out of gas is that he pulled in to the Buttonwillow rest stop to sleep. Way too much space of nothingness & no exits to just happen to run out of gas right next to the rest stop & be able to cruise in. When he stopped to sleep, he left the car running with the AC on & it ran out of gas that way.

I can see Bryce charging any & everything big & small to his allowance card that he can & preserving cash for stuff parents might not approve of. JMO.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Maybe more SAR dogs. Good links

CA free of charge. They do water recovery also.
http://searchdogs.com/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/CARDA-California-Rescue-Dog-Association/102324023137880

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[ShannonS]

I don't know why people keep thinking that something significant happened in Buttonwillow. His mom sent the road side assistance guy back to check on him several hours later and he was still in the same spot, sleeping. Plus he was in Castaic..not only was his scent picked up but also he was on surveillance @ Castaic 1 minute or so after he talked to his mom and told her he was exiting the freeway to sleep. <modsnip>..Why did he run out of gas? That's weird to me in itself. Why wouldnt he just stop and get gas...why let it run all the way out...everyone knows there is nothing but gas stations,food and hotel/motels off of every exit on the interstate..also i agree that if he had any cash on him he wouldnt be putting a $1.70 charge on his card. No scenario really fits anything because where one scenario makes one part of the story fit or make some type of sense it raises questions somewhere else. There are A LOT of questions and not ONE scenario that provides a feasible explanation for every question even just in theory.

I think something significant happened in Buttonwillow because of the amount of time he spent there. i don't buy he spent all that time sleeping. i remember reading that either the AAA guy or the cop stopped to check on him, rapped on the window and got no response. that tells me he wasn't in the car tho Bryce later said he was in fact sleeping in the car. where could he have been that the guy couldn't see him in the vehicle? if he ran to the rest room wouldn't he have said that? i think he was meeting up with someone there (for whatever reason, <modsip> then after the ping/vehicle search tried to make it look like he was in fact going to his parents but got off in Castaic. maybe to think about next step, idk. the crash could go either way for me at this point but yellow camaro painted an accident scenario in my mind. today i do believe he's alive but not ready to come forward to face everyone.

 

[SandSage]

But since the SUV was shown on camera 1 minute after Bryce's last call to his mom and he didn't give any indication of a problem (other than he was tired), than we have to assume either Bryce was the driver or, at least, it was Bryce's choice to have this person driving his car.

Hmmmmm... there's a thought.

 

[SandSage]

I think something significant happened in Buttonwillow because of the amount of time he spent there. i don't buy he spent all that time sleeping. i remember reading that either the AAA guy or the cop stopped to check on him, rapped on the window and got no response. that tells me he wasn't in the car tho Bryce later said he was in fact sleeping in the car. where could he have been that the guy couldn't see him in the vehicle? if he ran to the rest room wouldn't he have said that? i think he was meeting up with someone there <modsnip> then after the ping/vehicle search tried to make it look like he was in fact going to his parents but got off in Castaic. maybe to think about next step, idk. the crash could go either way for me at this point but yellow camaro painted an accident scenario in my mind. today i do believe he's alive but not ready to come forward to face everyone.

BBM - My question too. Also, was the vehicle running at that time?

 

[BluePoppy]

BBM - My question too. Also, was the vehicle running at that time?

I'd say when the AAA guy came the 1st time & did not find Bryce with the vehicle at the rest stop, that the vehicle was not running. He was there to bring gas because he had run out.

But it was said that Bryce called the guy back immediately & he came back with the gas.

 

[cluciano63]

Bryce never spent enough to indicate there was anyone with him, did he?

Also, how did a call to or from his mom originate in the first place? How did he ever come to be in contact with mother that night? Or was it his friends who called her? Very confused.

 

[kmw461]

Article that indicates parents did not know he was heading home to Laguna.

http://ktla.com/2013/09/03/search-continues-for-19-year-old-driver-of-overturned-suv/#axzz2ezkTdnG8

 

[brooke79]

I think something significant happened in Buttonwillow because of the amount of time he spent there. i don't buy he spent all that time sleeping. i remember reading that either the AAA guy or the cop stopped to check on him, rapped on the window and got no response. that tells me he wasn't in the car tho Bryce later said he was in fact sleeping in the car. where could he have been that the guy couldn't see him in the vehicle? if he ran to the rest room wouldn't he have said that? i think he was meeting up with someone there <modsnip> then after the ping/vehicle search tried to make it look like he was in fact going to his parents but got off in Castaic. maybe to think about next step, idk. the crash could go either way for me at this point but yellow camaro painted an accident scenario in my mind. today i do believe he's alive but not ready to come forward to face everyone.

That is the first I have ever heard that the guy from roadsise assitance was knocking on the window and Bryce didnt acknowledge him. All I have ever read was that the guy"asked" Bryce was he ok and Bryce said yes he was fine that he was just sleeping...and the guys said to his mom that he was fine but that his eyes were a little red which would be normal if he had been asleep. I dont believe he "later" saaid he was sleeping...when was later and to who?

 

[BluePoppy]

Bryce never spent enough to indicate there was anyone with him, did he?

Also, how did a call to or from his mom originate in the first place? How did he ever come to be in contact with mother that night? Or was it his friends who called her? Very confused.

SD called mom when they located him after she put out the missing persons report. It appears they talked every hour almost from that point on:

9 p.m. Thursday - responding to a call from the mother, CHP officers stop and search Bryce’s car spotted on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow. “Something happened in the whole 10 hours he was around there,” she said.
Shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday - Karen speaks to her son on the phone and asks: “What are you doing?” His response, she said, is: “I’m going to hang with friends later.”

11 p.m. Thursday - Bryce tells his mother he’s buying a beverage at a gas station. A purchase is made for $1.71, she said.

Shortly after midnight Thursday - “He tells me he’s on the I-5 south but he’s telling me nothing,” she said.
1:50 a.m. Friday - Bryce, by phone, tells her he “had detoured off I-5 but was back on the I-5.”

2:08 a.m. Friday - Karen Laspisa talks to her son for the last time. He tells her his GPS tells him he will arrive in Laguna Niguel in three hours and 25 minutes. “He told me ‘I got off the I-5 and I’m in a suburban area. I’m going to sleep in my car,’”

 

[SandSage]

I'd say when the AAA guy came the 1st time & did not find Bryce with the vehicle at the rest stop, that the vehicle was not running. He was there to bring gas because he had run out.

But it was said that Bryce called the guy back immediately & he came back with the gas.

Ookay. I thought we were discussing the visit when mom had requested the the AAA guy go back and check on him (well after the gas delivery).

Edit: I need our TIMELINE back... *off to find it*

 

[cluciano63]

Article that indicates parents did not know he was heading home to Laguna.

http://ktla.com/2013/09/03/search-continues-for-19-year-old-driver-of-overturned-suv/#axzz2ezkTdnG8

Where does it say that?

 

[cluciano63]

SD called mom when they located him after she put out the missing persons report. It appears they talked every hour almost from that point on:

9 p.m. Thursday - responding to a call from the mother, CHP officers stop and search Bryce’s car spotted on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow. “Something happened in the whole 10 hours he was around there,” she said.
Shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday - Karen speaks to her son on the phone and asks: “What are you doing?” His response, she said, is: “I’m going to hang with friends later.”

11 p.m. Thursday - Bryce tells his mother he’s buying a beverage at a gas station. A purchase is made for $1.71, she said.

Shortly after midnight Thursday - “He tells me he’s on the I-5 south but he’s telling me nothing,” she said.
1:50 a.m. Friday - Bryce, by phone, tells her he “had detoured off I-5 but was back on the I-5.”

2:08 a.m. Friday - Karen Laspisa talks to her son for the last time. He tells her his GPS tells him he will arrive in Laguna Niguel in three hours and 25 minutes. “He told me ‘I got off the I-5 and I’m in a suburban area. I’m going to sleep in my car,’”

No I mean, before he even set off...didn't his mom have some involvement about his keys? Telling his friends to give them to him? Or did I dream that...

 

[BluePoppy]

Article that indicates parents did not know he was heading home to Laguna.

http://ktla.com/2013/09/03/search-continues-for-19-year-old-driver-of-overturned-suv/#axzz2ezkTdnG8

Thanks!

"“Thinking that he’s out there hurt is the main focus. I can’t believe he would be on a journey of his own without telling his parents,” Bryce Laspisa’s father, Michael Laspisa said.

“Totally out of character. He’s the kind of son who will call you if he’s got a hangnail. He’s totally an open book,” Michael Laspisa said."

 

[brooke79]

meant to quote: "I've thought the same thing about nothing happening in Buttonwillow all along.

My theory on running out of gas is that he pulled in to the Buttonwillow rest stop to sleep. Way too much space of nothingness & no exits to just happen to run out of gas right next to the rest stop & be able to cruise in. When he stopped to sleep, he left the car running with the AC on & it ran out of gas that way.

I can see Bryce charging any & everything big & small to his allowance card that he can & preserving cash for stuff parents might not approve of. JMO. [/QUOTE]"


brooke79:good thought on the running out of gas...but about the suburban area, the area where he crashed is the other side of the lake..not where all the residental areas are

 

[BluePoppy]

No I mean, before he even set off...didn't his mom have some involvement about his keys? Telling his friends to give them to him? Or did I dream that...

Yes. But apparently, she didn't think he intended to drive all the way home. Which makes better sense with the concerns of why she said to give his keyes back. She was likely believing he was going home to his apartment.

 

[kevsrebla]

Shortly after midnight Thursday - “He tells me he’s on the I-5 south but he’s telling me nothing,” she said.

1:50 a.m. Friday - Bryce, by phone, tells her he “had detoured off I-5 but was back on the I-5.”’”[/I]

Wonder what the detour was about? Was there known road work going on? Or was this when he was "hanging with friends"?

 

[SandSage]

Article that indicates parents did not know he was heading home to Laguna.

http://ktla.com/2013/09/03/search-continues-for-19-year-old-driver-of-overturned-suv/#axzz2ezkTdnG8

And this: “Totally out of character. He’s the kind of son who will call you if he’s got a hangnail. He’s totally an open book,” Michael Laspisa said.