CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

[Dixie811]

Can someone in or around Buttonwillow check to see if missing posters are up at the hotels RoseGarden sleuthed?
Maybe even talk to desk personnel and post for employees on others shifts by check-in.

Posters at these hotels are a great idea. Even if LE has already spoken to employees, maybe someone who was renting a room at the hotel the night Bryce went missing (or just hanging around the area) will return to stay at the hotel again and see the poster... may ring a bell.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Entirely possible. Bryce was a big gamer and had an online gaming presence. Someone way early on (sorry, not going to dig thru 4 threads to find it), was wondering the significance of his gaming name....I believe it was Purple K. He could have developed a relationship with someone thru a gaming board.

My 2 cents on the gamer angle: I know a lot of people who have met online and formed great friendships (and more). Gamer friends will often put up any other gamer friends who are passing through or visiting their area. Some come and visit from other countries, and the only way they can afford it is to stay with gamer friends as they travel.

 

[BluePoppy]

The duffle bag was unzipped. Maybe he had just left it unzipped. It doesn't necessarily mean he unzipped it after the accident and took something out of it.

This has been a thought of mine all along. Just because it was unzipped, doesn't mean it happened after the accident.

I was also wondering if LE in Kern County actually told Bryce's Mom where he was found. Because in the radio interview, she simply said "Lagoon Drive" IIRC.

I would want to know about the hotel part, if I was related to Bryce. And I would be driving to Buttonwillow and going into all the motels there on Tracy Ave and showing pictures of Bryce to the employees. Maybe some of them would remember him? Either because he checked in or because he was hanging around outside.

Not that this would help find him exactly, but it could give Bryce's family a few more missing pieces of a very perplexing timeline on that Thursday. So I hope they know about this!

BBM - Exactly! I would like to know if LASD specifically interviewed the sheriff who made a face to face with Bryce to try to learn anything more that wasn't in the report. I would really hope that was covered early on, but I never heard anything about it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Just remembered ...

It was said the parents had the roommate check to see if all of BL's hand weights were accounted for at their apartment ... roommate did ... and, reportedly, the weights were all at the apartment.

So ... either LE asked the parents to do the above check or parents were concerned that BL may have taken a/some of the weights with him on the trip.

Implication ... parents/LE may have been concerned about BL being suicidal and may have been trying to rule out suicide by drowning with weights.

How concerned were/are the parents about the suicide possibility? Did roommate and/or g/f and/or friends give any indication that BL may have been suicidal and/or talked about suicide?

I was thinking they thought he might have used a hand weight to break the back window......

 

[ItsACarat]

So after seeing the new info with the motel, etc., I'm wondering if the Valero or the motel actually have video cameras where there might be footage of BL while he was there for the 10 hours. There has to be SOMETHING, somewhere.

Anyone know if the family or LE looked into this? What if he was meeting someone/came into contact with someone there, and that could give clues as to what exactly was going on.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I started a Media and Timeline thread over in the Missing! Timeline Forum and Media links, so we can keep track of things that need to be referenced. I got Seajay's set of timelines and the Law enforcement transcript. If you have anything else that needs to be constantly referenced, could you put them there?

CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic-Timeline and Media Thread **NO DISCUSSION**

 

[RoseGarden]

I recall that Bryce's roommate friend said he would keep all of the promises made with Bryce. With a young man's sense of loyalty and honor, he may also be keeping a promise not to disclose what Bryce's intentions were for the trek home / demons plaguing him / people he planned to meet along the way. The timing of his post about this seems to connect these "promises" to what Bryce was planning / going through. JMO, but knowing their apparent bond, loyalty may trump parental agony... IMO...

 

[geevee]

I found a 'PurpleK' twitter acct. but zero tweets or followers on it.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I started a Media and Timeline thread over in the Missing! Timeline Forum and Media links, so we can keep track of things that need to be referenced. I got Seajay's set of timelines and the Law enforcement transcript. If you have anything else that needs to be constantly referenced, could you put them there?

CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic-Timeline and Media Thread **NO DISCUSSION**

Thanks, Ghost!

:tyou:

 

[Seajay]

I started a Media and Timeline thread over in the Missing! Timeline Forum and Media links, so we can keep track of things that need to be referenced. I got Seajay's set of timelines and the Law enforcement transcript. If you have anything else that needs to be constantly referenced, could you put them there?

CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic-Timeline and Media Thread **NO DISCUSSION**

Thanks Ghost. I also added the breakdown of times it should have taken from point A to point B on his trip from Chico to Laguna Niguel.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The duffle bag was unzipped. Maybe he had just left it unzipped. It doesn't necessarily mean he unzipped it after the accident and took something out of it.

I have thought of this, too...

for instance... I leave my backpack (AKA purse) partially unzipped all the time...

It just seems easier to leave it partly unzipped so I can grab things I need from it more readily...

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I was also wondering if LE in Kern County actually told Bryce's Mom where he was found. Because in the radio interview, she simply said "Lagoon Drive" IIRC.

I would want to know about the hotel part, if I was related to Bryce. And I would be driving to Buttonwillow and going into all the motels there on Tracy Ave and showing pictures of Bryce to the employees. Maybe some of them would remember him? Either because he checked in or because he was hanging around outside.

Not that this would help find him exactly, but it could give Bryce's family a few more missing pieces of a very perplexing timeline on that Thursday. So I hope they know about this!

Oh My Gosh, Yes...

I agree!

this revelation opens so many more opportunities of witnesses seeing him....

seeing which directions he was going, what his physical status was (scrapes/bruises/etc.), possibly even mental status signs...

ETA.... AND... Who he may have been with...
JMO

 

[LeeLeeBird]

I am a college professor and have witnessed firsthand the onset of Schizophrenia in college age young men. I feel Bryce's case is combination of Vyvanse withdrawal and/or addiction, the onset of schizophrenia, and the possibility that he was wrestling/struggling with a life change or something he thought his parents would not support.

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff

Schizophrenia symptoms also can be attributed to other mental illnesses, and no one symptom can pinpoint a diagnosis of schizophrenia. In men, schizophrenia symptoms typically start in the teens or 20s. In women, schizophrenia symptoms typically begin in the 20s or early 30s. It's uncommon for children to be diagnosed with schizophrenia and rare for those older than 45.

Signs and symptoms of schizophrenia generally are divided into three categories — positive, negative and cognitive.

Positive symptoms
In schizophrenia, positive symptoms reflect an excess or distortion of normal functions. These active, abnormal symptoms may include:

Delusions. These beliefs are not based in reality and usually involve misinterpretation of perception or experience. They are the most common of schizophrenic symptoms.
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist, although hallucinations can be in any of the senses. Hearing voices is the most common hallucination among people with schizophrenia.
Thought disorder. Difficulty speaking and organizing thoughts may result in stopping speech midsentence or putting together meaningless words, sometimes known as word salad.
Disorganized behavior. This may show in a number of ways, ranging from childlike silliness to unpredictable agitation.

Negative symptoms
Negative symptoms refer to a diminishment or absence of characteristics of normal function. They may appear with or without positive symptoms. They include:

Loss of interest in everyday activities
Appearing to lack emotion
Reduced ability to plan or carry out activities
Neglect of personal hygiene
Social withdrawal
Loss of motivation

Cognitive symptoms
Cognitive symptoms involve problems with thought processes. These symptoms may be the most disabling in schizophrenia because they interfere with the ability to perform routine daily tasks. A person with schizophrenia may be born with these symptoms. They include:

Problems with making sense of information
Difficulty paying attention
Memory problems

Symptoms in teenagers
Schizophrenia symptoms in teenagers are similar to those in adults, but the condition may be more difficult to recognize in this age group. This may be in part because some of the early symptoms in teenagers are common during teen years, such as:

Withdrawal from friends and family
A drop in performance at school
Trouble sleeping
Irritability
Compared with schizophrenia symptoms in adults, teens may be:

Less likely to have delusions
More likely to have visual hallucinations

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I was also wondering if LE in Kern County actually told Bryce's Mom where he was found. Because in the radio interview, she simply said "Lagoon Drive" IIRC.

I would want to know about the hotel part, if I was related to Bryce. And I would be driving to Buttonwillow and going into all the motels there on Tracy Ave and showing pictures of Bryce to the employees. Maybe some of them would remember him? Either because he checked in or because he was hanging around outside.

Not that this would help find him exactly, but it could give Bryce's family a few more missing pieces of a very perplexing timeline on that Thursday. So I hope they know about this!

Bryce's mom specifically stated in that radio interview that LE found Bryce in his car parked on Lagoon Drive. Either that was not the case as there are no hotels on Lagoon drive (even if he was in his car) or the Incident Report is wrong. Perhaps Bryce asked LE not to report back to his mom exactly where he was found? He is an adult.

 

[beshasmyheart]

I found a 'PurpleK' twitter acct. but zero tweets or followers on it.

I think his username for Xbox is Purple K FIRE (it used to be bearzfan94)

 

[beshasmyheart]

Bryce's mom specifically stated in that radio interview that LE found Bryce in his car parked on Lagoon Drive. Either that was not the case as there are no hotels on Lagoon drive (even if he was in his car) or the Incident Report is wrong. Perhaps Bryce asked LE not to report back to his mom exactly where he was found? He is an adult.

Or his parents just didn't want to release that specific information...

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I recently sat down to talk to a friend of mine who I hadn't seen in awhile and near the end of our conversation I showed her a photo of Bryce just on the off chance that she might see him around somewhere. I gave her a few details of his disappearance and she immediately said that it sounds like schizophrenia. She said that a male cousin and a male friend were both diagnosed with schizophrenia when they were 19 year old college students. They both unexpectedly stopped going to their classes and went missing. Luckily they were both found relatively quickly and it was very apparent that something wasn't right. She said that Bryce sitting in his car doing nothing for hours and hours in an odd location made sense to her as some schizophrenics have time processing impairments. The more I told her the details of Bryce's actions the more sure she was that schizophrenia was the culprit, based solely on her own experience with two people very close to her.

The question I have for anyone who knows more about this disease. Bryce's girlfriend and friend(s) noticed him acting odd (to the point that they took his keys from him to prevent him from driving) but his mom seemed to think he was fine. She indicated in an interview that nothing was wrong with him, that she spoke to him several times and he seemed fine. Even LE stated he was fine when they spent 20 minutes with him near the Buttonwillow truck stop. With that said, if he was suffering from the sudden onset of such a disease that debilitated him enough to keep him in a rest stop and truck stop for hours on end and ultimately resulted in him driving around Castaic and crashing his car and, possibly, wandering around or drowning in a lake what are the chances that LE and his mother, over the phone, wouldn't have any indication that there was something seriously wrong with him? Would the symptoms come and go and his mom and LE just happened to catch him at a good time during their phone conversations/search? TIA

 

[LinasK]

I recently sat down to talk to a friend of mine who I hadn't seen in awhile and near the end of our conversation I showed her a photo of Bryce just on the off chance that she might see him around somewhere. I gave her a few details of his disappearance and she immediately said that it sounds like schizophrenia. She said that a male cousin and a male friend were both diagnosed with schizophrenia when they were 19 year old college students. They both unexpectedly stopped going to their classes and went missing. Luckily they were both found relatively quickly and it was very apparent that something wasn't right. She said that Bryce sitting in his car doing nothing for hours and hours in an odd location made sense to her as some schizophrenics have time processing impairments. The more I told her the details of Bryce's actions the more sure she was that schizophrenia was the culprit, based solely on her own experience with two people very close to her.

The question I have for anyone who knows more about this disease. Bryce's girlfriend and friend(s) noticed him acting odd (to the point that they took his keys from him to prevent him from driving) but his mom seemed to think he was fine. She indicated in an interview that nothing was wrong with him, that she spoke to him several times and he seemed fine. Even LE stated he was fine when they spent 20 minutes with him near the Buttonwillow truck stop. With that said, if he was suffering from the sudden onset of such a disease that debilitated him enough to keep him in a rest stop and truck stop for hours on end and ultimately resulted in him driving around Castaic and crashing his car and, possibly, wandering around or drowning in a lake what are the chances that LE and his mother, over the phone, wouldn't have any indication that there was something seriously wrong with him? Would the symptoms come and go and his mom and LE just happened to catch him at a good time during their phone conversations/search? TIA

Schizophrenics are very good at rationalizing. I once worked with a paranoid schizophrenic. He had an answer for everything, even though his logic was convoluted. Perhaps Bryce was able to maintain while talking to LE and his mom?

 

[Voice4theSilent]

The duffle bag was unzipped. Maybe he had just left it unzipped. It doesn't necessarily mean he unzipped it after the accident and took something out of it.

The below article states that the bag was found at the rear of the car. Wouldn't that mean outside of the car? If so, I can see how the location, much more so than the fact it was unzipped, would lead to LE speculating that something of importance was in the bag and had been removed.

"5:30 a.m. Friday - CHP officers locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed. Although he left the valuables – laptop, cell phone and wallet – a duffle bag is found at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it."

http://www.signalscv.com/m/section/36/article/104116/

 

[hannah1988]

I am a college professor and have witnessed firsthand the onset of Schizophrenia in college age young men. I feel Bryce's case is combination of Vyvanse withdrawal and/or addiction, the onset of schizophrenia, and the possibility that he was wrestling/struggling with a life change or something he thought his parents would not support.

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff

Schizophrenia symptoms also can be attributed to other mental illnesses, and no one symptom can pinpoint a diagnosis of schizophrenia. In men, schizophrenia symptoms typically start in the teens or 20s. In women, schizophrenia symptoms typically begin in the 20s or early 30s. It's uncommon for children to be diagnosed with schizophrenia and rare for those older than 45.

Signs and symptoms of schizophrenia generally are divided into three categories — positive, negative and cognitive.

Positive symptoms
In schizophrenia, positive symptoms reflect an excess or distortion of normal functions. These active, abnormal symptoms may include:

Delusions. These beliefs are not based in reality and usually involve misinterpretation of perception or experience. They are the most common of schizophrenic symptoms.
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist, although hallucinations can be in any of the senses. Hearing voices is the most common hallucination among people with schizophrenia.
Thought disorder. Difficulty speaking and organizing thoughts may result in stopping speech midsentence or putting together meaningless words, sometimes known as word salad.
Disorganized behavior. This may show in a number of ways, ranging from childlike silliness to unpredictable agitation.

Negative symptoms
Negative symptoms refer to a diminishment or absence of characteristics of normal function. They may appear with or without positive symptoms. They include:

Loss of interest in everyday activities
Appearing to lack emotion
Reduced ability to plan or carry out activities
Neglect of personal hygiene
Social withdrawal
Loss of motivation

Cognitive symptoms
Cognitive symptoms involve problems with thought processes. These symptoms may be the most disabling in schizophrenia because they interfere with the ability to perform routine daily tasks. A person with schizophrenia may be born with these symptoms. They include:

Problems with making sense of information
Difficulty paying attention
Memory problems

Symptoms in teenagers
Schizophrenia symptoms in teenagers are similar to those in adults, but the condition may be more difficult to recognize in this age group. This may be in part because some of the early symptoms in teenagers are common during teen years, such as:

Withdrawal from friends and family
A drop in performance at school
Trouble sleeping
Irritability
Compared with schizophrenia symptoms in adults, teens may be:

Less likely to have delusions
More likely to have visual hallucinations

Good points. I'd also like to point out that the symptoms that you bolded could also apply to alcohol/drug addicts IMO.