CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

[gitana1]

Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there. At all. How many men out there would have wanted their mom to fly out to visit at college because she was "worried about you"? My daughter isn't even AT college yet, and we have already been told we don't get to randomly visit. I respect that. (doesn't mean I won't...)

Was he that fragile, his attitude that worrisome, or was she a little over protective and he didn't want to feel smothered so was acting weird? It could have been any of them.

Ha ha! Guess what? If I'm paying for it, I get to visit whenever I want! Evil, I am!!

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I think it's because he was not acting right- hence the key thing. I think mom was hearing from people who thought something wa wrong and that alarmed her.



I know there have been posts eluding to it being the girlfriend who took the keys but it never seemed verified to me. Or totally clear. But my post is going off only the initial reports - which may be mistaken...or not. Sometimes the most honest info you get is right at the beginning, before people have had time to reflect.

This is one of the first articles I read which reported about his keys. It that states his "friends" took his keys when he was at Chico visiting his girlfriend, not when he was further south in the Roseville/Rocklin area where he lived. Everything I have read states that the keys were taken away from him in Chico, not Rocklin. (Unless you think his roommate was with him in Chico?)

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I think it's because he was not acting right- hence the key thing. I think mom was hearing from people who thought something wa wrong and that alarmed her.



I know there have been posts eluding to it being the girlfriend who took the keys but it never seemed verified to me. Or totally clear. But my post is going off only the initial reports - which may be mistaken...or not. Sometimes the most honest info you get is right at the beginning, before people have had time to reflect.

This is one of the first articles I read which reported about his keys. It states his friends took his keys when he was at Chico visiting his girlfriend, not when he was further south in the Roseville/Rocklin area where he lived. Everything I have read states that the keys were taken away from him in Chico, not Rocklin. (Unless you think his roommate was with him in Chico?)

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

 

[Quester]

So ... Mom didn't talk with BL between 12:30pm when Mom hears from the road service man that BL eyes "look a little red" until after the parents request a LE wellness check including a drug search where BL is found "at a hotel" after 9pm ???

Come on!!! There had to have been some communication between 12:30pm and 10pm! That doesn't pass the smell test even in smelly Buttonwillow. JMO

His parents DID call for a wellness check when they could not reach their son. While it does not say that they tried to call and were unsuccessful, you can extrapolate from the fact that they called for a wellness check that they had tried to call and got no answer (possibly for several hours), otherwise why be worried?

From Buttonwillow to Laguna NIguel takes about 3 hours to drive(2 hours and 51 minutes by Google maps). The first report of Bryce being missing shows up at 19:27:59 (7:27pm) The report also states "LAST HEARD FROM SUBJECT AT 1230" Working with those numbers, I come up with this:
3 hours travel time
1 hour stopping (food, bathroom break, whatever)

At 4:30 he should have been home, but was not. Most parents would give an extra 1/2 hour. At 5:00 pm, start calling his cell phone. No return call with an hour (in California, if you don't have hands-free, you aren't supposed to talk on the phone when you drive-LOTS OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HANDS-FREE-just had to say that), contact phone service to see about pinging cell. Takes at least a half hour to get that sorted out (Yes, I've had to do it). This brings us to 6:30. That hour could have been eaten up by his parents trying to call several times, trying to figure out whether to start driving up, trying to find out how to ping the phone, dozens of things (Yes, I have done that, too)

So IMO, there did not have to be any communication during that time. I am sure there was attempted communication, though.

I have no doubt the Mom tried to reach BL between 12:30pm and 10pm. She probably tried repeatedly to reach him. However, my point was/is that I was/am surprised they did not talk at all during that time period based on what we have learned in this case, of their interactions, the events of the preceding few days and the fact that the last report Mom heard was from the road service man that BL's "eyes look a little red".

Bottom line: I'm wondering if there was some additional conversation that afternoon that threw fuel on the fire? JMO

 

[nikb]

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

I agree with you it's worth at least thinking through.

BBM I see this has been discussed, but wanted to ask anyway, ARE there even any hotels in Buttonwillow? I've been there a number of times for my husband's racing (there's a road course - the ONLY reason to stay there for any length of time IMO), and I've never seen anything other than motels. I realize the terms could be used interchangeably, I'm just questioning whether the use of "hotel" vs. "motel" has any significance.

As far as the conference idea mentioned later, I seriously can't see any conference being held there. I think their big "tourist" business probably comes from the racetrack, and people using it as a stopover in between Northern and Southern CA. Even in the latter case I'd personally rather stay in Bakersfield, although Bryce might not be all that familiar with the typical stopping spots since his family hadn't lived here in CA that long.

As far as his length of time staying there - his Mom has said from the beginning IIRC that she felt "something" happened in Buttonwillow. I agree with her. I just wish we could figure out what that "something" was! I think it's a huge missing piece of the puzzle.

 

[nikb]

Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there and he told her no. Now why would it be such a big deal that he broke up with his girlfriend that would make her think it was necessary to fly out there? It makes me think he was fragile to begin with. Which would make any mother worry. jmo

I completely agree. I still don't understand the flying thing. By the time she got to the airport, got a ticket, got to Sacramento (I assume that's where she'd have flown to), got picked up or got a ride and drove to Rocklin/Roseville, it would've been many hours later. Even longer to get to Chico. It would probably take nearly as long to fly as to drive between those locations. I can only assume maybe she thought flying would be faster, and it definitely has more sense of urgency to it.

 

[Seajay]

I was kidding about the conference thing. Because so many times we've talked about it being a dinky town, that smells like oil drilling and cow manure, I can't imagine anyone thinking a convention would be a good idea there. I was joking, I put the LOL after it.

Ok, so there are no hotels in Buttonwillow. There is no police report, but a dispatch report where it could be a lie, it could be the truth, it could have never even happened. It supposedly means nothing.

So now are back to the ever so precise and accurate reporting of MSM, and all friends and parents word is the most accurate source (except if your last name is Ramsey, Irwin or Redwine). Check, got it.

You know the pity of this whole thing, had Bryce's parents known he was still in Buttonwillow all that time, they could have been up there in a few hours and found him.

EVerything surrounding what this kid did doesn't make any sense.

 

[gitana1]

If his parents knew where he was, would they be having three vigils tomorrow?

Of course not.

In other news, I've started a questions thread. Hopefully it's in the right place: ACTIVE SEARCH Bruce Laspisa Questions - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[gitana1]

I was kidding about the conference thing. Because so many times we've talked about it being a dinky town, that smells like oil drilling and cow manure, I can't imagine anyone thinking a convention would be a good idea there. I was joking, I put the LOL after it.

Ok, so there are no hotels in Buttonwillow. There is no police report, but a dispatch report where it could be a lie, it could be the truth, it could have never even happened. It supposedly means nothing.

So now are back to the ever so precise and accurate reporting of MSM, and all friends and parents word is the most accurate source (except if your last name is Ramsey, Irwin or Redwine). Check, got it.

You know the pity of this whole thing, had Bryce's parents known he was still in Buttonwillow all that time, they could have been up there in a few hours and found him.

EVerything surrounding what this kid did doesn't make any sense.

I don't think anyone is saying the dispatch report is a lie. LE has no reason to lie. But the report is not clear. It does not say Bryce was staying at a hotel, just that LE encountered him at one. The police report might have much more info as dispatch reports tend to be very brief. And it's second hand info.

We can get the police report but I don't want to pay 25 bucks for it.

 

[LinasK]

I agree with you it's worth at least thinking through.

BBM I see this has been discussed, but wanted to ask anyway, ARE there even any hotels in Buttonwillow? I've been there a number of times for my husband's racing (there's a road course - the ONLY reason to stay there for any length of time IMO), and I've never seen anything other than motels. I realize the terms could be used interchangeably, I'm just questioning whether the use of "hotel" vs. "motel" has any significance.

As far as the conference idea mentioned later, I seriously can't see any conference being held there. I think their big "tourist" business probably comes from the racetrack, and people using it as a stopover in between Northern and Southern CA. Even in the latter case I'd personally rather stay in Bakersfield, although Bryce might not be all that familiar with the typical stopping spots since his family hadn't lived here in CA that long.

As far as his length of time staying there - his Mom has said from the beginning IIRC that she felt "something" happened in Buttonwillow. I agree with her. I just wish we could figure out what that "something" was! I think it's a huge missing piece of the puzzle.

The only time I've ever stayed over in Buttonwillow was late at night traveling to L.A. for Thanksgiving because I5 is so jammed, and we didn't want to get in at 3a.m., so we stayed over and got into L.A. in the morning. It was at the Motel6 right off the freeway.

 

[Seajay]

I don't think anyone is saying the dispatch report is a lie. LE has no reason to lie. But the report is not clear. It does not say Bryce was staying at a hotel, just that LE encountered him at one. The police report might have much more info as dispatch reports tend to be very brief. And it's second hand info.

We can get the police report but I don't want to pay 25 bucks for it.

Exactly. If you take the dispatch report at face value and just not read anything into it, it still leaves things open to interrupretation. I never took "at a hotel" as being "in" the hotel. Who knows, maybe he was trying to sneak the free continental breakfast. LOL j/k again.

It all goes back that he was in that town for 10-14 hours and he was doing something. He had left the rest area/truck stop area and was hanging out by a hotel/motel in the very least. What for?

All things lead back to Buttonwillow and that unaccounted for time. IMO

 

[FlamingoLady]

Does anyone else find this coincidence a little odd:
His parents live in Laguna and he was, supposedly, headed there.
He was found by police on Lagoon Dr.
If he had a GPS,was on some sort of drug (as indicated in numerous previous posts), was tired and emotional...is it possible he punched in the address to Laguna and ended up on Lagoon in Buttonwillow by following the verbal directions from the GPS?
I know this sounds unlikely but I've wondered about that from the first time I saw he was seen on Lagoon Dr.

 

[Seajay]

And now back to that cell phone ping in Fraizer Park. What time was that?

 

[nikb]

I was kidding about the conference thing. Because so many times we've talked about it being a dinky town, that smells like oil drilling and cow manure, I can't imagine anyone thinking a convention would be a good idea there. I was joking, I put the LOL after it.

Ok, so there are no hotels in Buttonwillow. There is no police report, but a dispatch report where it could be a lie, it could be the truth, it could have never even happened. It supposedly means nothing.

So now are back to the ever so precise and accurate reporting of MSM, and all friends and parents word is the most accurate source (except if your last name is Ramsey, Irwin or Redwine). Check, got it.

You know the pity of this whole thing, had Bryce's parents known he was still in Buttonwillow all that time, they could have been up there in a few hours and found him.

EVerything surrounding what this kid did doesn't make any sense.

Oops sorry, I missed the lol. :blush:

I don't personally think the dispatch report means nothing. I wish it was more detailed, for sure. I wonder if there is a police report, or if there was no reason to create one since they didn't apparently find anything to be too amiss.

You're right, I hadn't even thought about how quickly his parents could've gotten to Buttonwillow had they known he was still there.

 

[hannah1988]

I'm feeling so discouraged. There's just so much info that we don't have. The meaning behind his last text to his roommate. The location where he was found in Buttonwillow. The extent of his drug use. If he showed any symptoms of mental illness.

I think his close friends at least know the answers to the last two questions and for all we know they have told the police the answers. I just wish we knew! It would help us think of new ways to search.

 

[kevsrebla]

Does anyone else find this coincidence a little odd:
His parents live in Laguna and he was, supposedly, headed there.
He was found by police on Lagoon Dr.
If he had a GPS,was on some sort of drug (as indicated in numerous previous posts), was tired and emotional...is it possible he punched in the address to Laguna and ended up on Lagoon in Buttonwillow by following the verbal directions from the GPS?
I know this sounds unlikely but I've wondered about that from the first time I saw he was seen on Lagoon Dr.

Nice theory. If he was not himself he could easily be confused. However I think the gps was per-programmed in and did not need to be programmed each time. JMO

 

[FlamingoLady]

Nice theory. If he was not himself he could easily be confused. However I think the gps was per-programmed in and did not need to be programmed each time. JMO

You are probably right, but I seem to remember it being mentioned that this was the first time he had driven home from up north. I can't imagine going back over 3+ threads to find this info.....and it possibly could have come up as false anyway. But....if it really was his first time driving the route, it's not THAT far fetched. Usually you type in the first 3 letters of a street/city etc..and then click on the one you want. He could've been out of it and clicked the wrong one.
I realize it's an obscure theory:facepalm:

 

[Mountain Misst]

If one of you good people can help please. I've read the timeline. Has anyone made a note of the exact time of the phonecall reporting the vehicle accident - around 5:30am on 30th August?
Cheers.

 

[Quester]

If one of you good people can help please. I've read the timeline. Has anyone made a note of the exact time of the phonecall reporting the vehicle accident - around 5:30am on 30th August?
Cheers.

I don't believe the time of the call nor the recording of that call (presuming it was a 911 call) have been released. Apparently, we only have the 5:30am arrival time of responding officers.

5:30 a.m. Friday - CHP officers locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed. Although he left the valuables – laptop, cell phone and wallet – a duffle bag is found at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it. He walked back from his car to a nearby lake after the crash, it appears.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

You are probably right, but I seem to remember it being mentioned that this was the first time he had driven home from up north. I can't imagine going back over 3+ threads to find this info.....and it possibly could have come up as false anyway. But....if it really was his first time driving the route, it's not THAT far fetched. Usually you type in the first 3 letters of a street/city etc..and then click on the one you want. He could've been out of it and clicked the wrong one.
I realize it's an obscure theory:facepalm:

You are correct. In the below article it states that was his first time making the drive back to Laguna Niguel alone.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77499794/