CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

[LinasK]

Considering he could have been in Castaic within an hour and a half of being found in Buttonwillow, yet took 5 hours to get there, he could have gotten off anywhere. The most common location in that run, however, is the Rest Area at the top of Grapevine hill (Frazier Park-by gum, I remember when there was nothing up there....). I also rarely sleep in that Rest Area at night. It's a little creepy. Just enough that I only sleep there when there is ample traffic.

Yeah, but there's a great truck stop in Frazier Park right off 5, it's the Flying J, IIRC...

 

[gitana1]

From the Timeline:

I just realized that there was an additional exit from the I-5 after leaving Buttonwillow and before the final exit at Castaic. It occurred sometime between "shortly after midnight" and 1:50am.

Where was this exit from the I-5 and what purpose did it serve? Why did he get off of the freeway only to get back on it and then exit again less than 20 minutes later?

Good catch. But was he telling the truth?

Yeah, if you're paying for it I can see that. My daughter doesn't get the free ride from me.

You know my parents didn't pay for my college. They couldn't afford to. And I didn't take it for granted, I can tell you that!

I'm with you, I have a zillion disjointed thoughts on this whole thing.

As to the flying, I can see her wanting to BE there in person - that part makes sense to me. The flying up is what I don't understand. Driving would be almost the same amount of time, and might even have gotten her there faster because she wouldn't have to be waiting for the next available flight. Was it to be more dramatic? Make him (or her for that matter) think she'd be there sooner than she realistically probably could be? Maybe they just fly often? I don't know, that part has just always stuck out to me.

Was it his GF who took the keys, or his friends in Roseville/Rocklin? Early on I thought it was his friends, but now I'm confused on that point.

I keep hearing that about the length of time but that's never been my experience ands I've been flying back and forth to the bay area for decades.
Quick and easy. Let me see how long it would take to get there. Brb.

 

[gitana1]

Here's the breakdown on getting from Laguna Niguel to Rocklin.

LAGUNA NIGUEL TO AIRPORT = 30 MINUTES

This says 20 minutes from Laguna Niguel Metrolink station to the Orange County Airport, so let's say half an hour:
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...d7cgDHiGRHD9ehByQ&oq=john+way&t=h&mra=ls&z=12

FLYING TIME = 2.5 HOURS

This shows the length of the flight. 1.25 hours, so let's call it two and a half hours, adding an hour for boarding and unboarding:
http://www.southwest.com/flight/sel...CE62AB&ss=0&int=HOMEQBOMAIR&companyName=&cid=

DRIVE TIME FROM AIRPORT TO ROCKLIN = 1 HOUR

This shows it takes 32 minutes to drive from the airport in Sacramento, to Rocklin, but I will add a half hour for renting a car (remember, I already added an hour for boarding and unboarding):

https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf...F-8&ei=lQRJUv2wG-mfyQGp6YDwCw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

TOTAL TIME TO FLY TO ROCKLIN = 4 HOURS.

TOTAL TIME TO DRIVE TO ROCKLIN = 7 HOURS

That's as opposed to driving time, which is 6 hours and 41 minutes, not including stops for gas or whatever: http://www.southwest.com/flight/sel...CE62AB&ss=0&int=HOMEQBOMAIR&companyName=&cid=

Everyone I know flies up north if they can afford it, because it is so much faster and not as monotonous as the long drive there. I see a vast difference time wise. The mom could have gotten there more quickly if she flew, unless there were no flights available for several hours, butI doubt that and when she was talking to him about flying, she may not have checked the available flights yet. The biggest factor with flying is cost. That's what makes everyone I know who drives, to choose driving.

 

[nikb]

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I keep hearing that about the length of time but that's never been my experience ands I've been flying back and forth to the bay area for decades.
Quick and easy. Let me see how long it would take to get there. Brb.

Maybe it's just because I don't fly that often. The flight itself would be very short, yes, but the drive on either end, parking, check-in time (if you follow the airport's typical pre-flight check in time), baggage pick up if needed, etc. just seem to take forever to me. I always plan on at least 3 hours before the flight even takes off for driving, parking, check in, security, etc. Add in that Bryce's mother didn't even apparently have a ticket yet, she'd have to buy a ticket, and go with whatever next flight the airline had scheduled.

Again though maybe that's just me, and different experiences. Maybe it's a normal thing for their family to just hop on a flight like that. I'm sure you probably get the whole airport thing down after doing it enough. Or if they had some private connection, i.e. a corporate plane, that could be a totally different story too (no idea if this is a possibility, just throwing it out there).

 

[Whiteorchids]

Maybe it's just because I don't fly that often. The flight itself would be very short, yes, but the drive on either end, parking, check-in time (if you follow the airport's typical pre-flight check in time), baggage pick up if needed, etc. just seem to take forever to me. I always plan on at least 3 hours before the flight even takes off for driving, parking, check in, security, etc. Add in that Bryce's mother didn't even apparently have a ticket yet, she'd have to buy a ticket, and go with whatever next flight the airline had scheduled.

Again though maybe that's just me, and different experiences. Maybe it's a normal thing for their family to just hop on a flight like that. I'm sure you probably get the whole airport thing down after doing it enough. Or if they had some private connection, i.e. a corporate plane, that could be a totally different story too (no idea if this is a possibility, just throwing it out there).

Don't you think Mom is now wishing she would have taken that flight


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[nikb]

Gitana1 we posted at the same time. Thanks for the flight info you found. I am apparently a very slow airport-goer/flier. I don't fly that often though.

I wonder too if maybe his Mom wasn't sure whether he'd be in Rocklin or Chico. That could make a big difference if she wasn't even sure where to go.

If they really are accustomed to flying a lot, could he have chosen to fly somewhere?

 

[nikb]

Don't you think Mom is now wishing she would have taken that flight


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Yes, probably so. Or even the drive to Buttonwillow, once she knew he was there. She probably had a hard time even knowing exactly where he was and when so she could find him. My heart breaks for her.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe it's just because I don't fly that often. The flight itself would be very short, yes, but the drive on either end, parking, check-in time (if you follow the airport's typical pre-flight check in time), baggage pick up if needed, etc. just seem to take forever to me. I always plan on at least 3 hours before the flight even takes off for driving, parking, check in, security, etc. Add in that Bryce's mother didn't even apparently have a ticket yet, she'd have to buy a ticket, and go with whatever next flight the airline had scheduled.

Again though maybe that's just me, and different experiences. Maybe it's a normal thing for their family to just hop on a flight like that. I'm sure you probably get the whole airport thing down after doing it enough. Or if they had some private connection, i.e. a corporate plane, that could be a totally different story too (no idea if this is a possibility, just throwing it out there).

Oh man, you would think I'm crazy! I get there, or drop off whoever's going, no more than an hour, tops, before a domestic flight. It's true that often I'm running to catch the flight!!

Down here, John Wayne is a pretty fast airport and Long Beach is even better - you check bags or grab a ticket literally at the curb, short line to the bag screening and then you're there, at that gate! Sadly, all that's going to change because they are expanding the airport. It used to be so quaint and old fashioned, with a cute little bar upstairs and just a 50's/60's vibe. It's been changing pretty quickly.

Don't you think Mom is now wishing she would have taken that flight


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Oh. My heart sank when I read that. Because it's so true and so sad.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Here's the breakdown on getting from Laguna Niguel to Rocklin.

LAGUNA NIGUEL TO AIRPORT = 30 MINUTES

This says 20 minutes from Laguna Niguel Metrolink station to the Orange County Airport, so let's say half an hour:
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...d7cgDHiGRHD9ehByQ&oq=john+way&t=h&mra=ls&z=12

FLYING TIME = 2.5 HOURS

This shows the length of the flight. 1.25 hours, so let's call it two and a half hours, adding an hour for boarding and unboarding:
http://www.southwest.com/flight/sel...CE62AB&ss=0&int=HOMEQBOMAIR&companyName=&cid=

DRIVE TIME FROM AIRPORT TO ROCKLIN = 1 HOUR

This shows it takes 32 minutes to drive from the airport in Sacramento, to Rocklin, but I will add a half hour for renting a car (remember, I already added an hour for boarding and unboarding):

https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf...F-8&ei=lQRJUv2wG-mfyQGp6YDwCw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

TOTAL TIME TO FLY TO ROCKLIN = 4 HOURS.

TOTAL TIME TO DRIVE TO ROCKLIN = 7 HOURS

That's as opposed to driving time, which is 6 hours and 41 minutes, not including stops for gas or whatever: http://www.southwest.com/flight/sel...CE62AB&ss=0&int=HOMEQBOMAIR&companyName=&cid=

Everyone I know flies up north if they can afford it, because it is so much faster and not as monotonous as the long drive there. I see a vast difference time wise. The mom could have gotten there more quickly if she flew, unless there were no flights available for several hours, butI doubt that and when she was talking to him about flying, she may not have checked the available flights yet. The biggest factor with flying is cost. That's what makes everyone I know who drives, to choose driving.

Right here your experience is completely different from mine.
Driving from Laguna Nigel to John Wayne Airport (SNA) takes more like an hour any time I have driven that route.
I have to arrive at the airport 1 1/2 hours before the flight (minimum) or I will not make it through security in time. ( If you can do it in a half hour, my hat is off to you. ) That is two and a half hours already.
Add in the flight time and we are up to 4 hours.
If someone picks me up at the other end, it's pretty easy, but there is still the 32 minutes to Rocklin Proper, and that doesn't take into account going into residential areas.
If I have to rent a car, another 45 minutes to an hour. (Wait for the shuttle to the car rental terminal, drive there, find your rental desk, wait in line and do all the paperwork, find your car, check your car for dings and scratches)

So without renting a car, I have total fly time as 4.5-5 hours (based on my flying experience) and with renting a car as 6 hours (based on my flying experience. And 7 hours driving time. (although getting through the north part of LA can sometimes add an extra hour onto that) For an hour, that would be why a lot of us drive, again, based on my own flying and driving experiences.

I guess it just depends on an individual's preference and experiences. His mom seemed more inclined to fly. Maybe she doesn't like to drive. A lot of people don't.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO still seems a little odd to go so far for a junior college.

 

[PoirotsGirlFriday]

I'm with you, I have a zillion disjointed thoughts on this whole thing.

As to the flying, I can see her wanting to BE there in person - that part makes sense to me. The flying up is what I don't understand. Driving would be almost the same amount of time, and might even have gotten her there faster because she wouldn't have to be waiting for the next available flight. Was it to be more dramatic? Make him (or her for that matter) think she'd be there sooner than she realistically probably could be? Maybe they just fly often? I don't know, that part has just always stuck out to me.

Was it his GF who took the keys, or his friends in Roseville/Rocklin? Early on I thought it was his friends, but now I'm confused on that point.

That's a good point. Not being from that area, I didn't realize it would be just as easy (possibly) to drive. Maybe she just didn't think of that. Or maybe she just doesn't like road trips. My husband is like that. I've gotten to the point where I have flown SO MUCH that given the choice, I would way rather drive! At least that way, I can get out and stretch my legs when I wanted to or stop and eat something way better than airplane peanuts. But maybe Bryce's Mom prefers to fly. Or like you said, saying "I'm flying up there!" may have sounded better than "I'm driving up there". Not to mention, it does SOUND faster, even if it isn't or is close to the same.

Umm, about his gf taking his keys. :blush:. I think I was going by what an unverified insider said took place. You're right, his mother said "friends" but I believed what this insider said about the gf taking them makes more sense. However, now that you pointed it out, I probably shouldn't have said that, since this member has yet to become verified. Thanks for catching me on that. I kinda forgot we need to remain under the assumption it was"friends" as his mom said.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

JMO still seems a little odd to go so far for a junior college.

I agree, especially with the really good community colleges in Orange County.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

When I first heard about Bryce's disappearance it was from a post on FB that was linked back to Bryce's mom's FB page. There was a post from her on her page from when she moved Bryce into his apartment stating (something to the effect of) how glad she was that they had flown instead of driving (I took it as she was happy she didn't have to deal with driving home because she was tired and had been so busy.) I don't think it is odd that she would prefer to fly instead of driving. I would much prefer driving but I don't like to fly; I know a lot of people prefer flying over driving.

I wonder if the comment about flying was a genuine question from Mom asking her son if he needed her up there or if it were more of a warning that he needed to shape up because mom could catch a flight and be up there pretty quickly.

 

[gitana1]

JMO still seems a little odd to go so far for a junior college.

Maybe that's a question for the question thread. Why dud he pick that JC?

Right here your experience is completely different from mine.
Driving from Laguna Nigel to John Wayne Airport (SNA) takes more like an hour any time I have driven that route.
I have to arrive at the airport 1 1/2 hours before the flight (minimum) or I will not make it through security in time. ( If you can do it in a half hour, my hat is off to you. ) That is two and a half hours already.
Add in the flight time and we are up to 4 hours.
If someone picks me up at the other end, it's pretty easy, but there is still the 32 minutes to Rocklin Proper, and that doesn't take into account going into residential areas.
If I have to rent a car, another 45 minutes to an hour. (Wait for the shuttle to the car rental terminal, drive there, find your rental desk, wait in line and do all the paperwork, find your car, check your car for dings and scratches)

So without renting a car, I have total fly time as 4.5-5 hours (based on my flying experience) and with renting a car as 6 hours (based on my flying experience. And 7 hours driving time. (although getting through the north part of LA can sometimes add an extra hour onto that) For an hour, that would be why a lot of us drive, again, based on my own flying and driving experiences.

I guess it just depends on an individual's preference and experiences. His mom seemed more inclined to fly. Maybe she doesn't like to drive. A lot of people don't.

You must be leaving at rush hour?

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I'm with you, I have a zillion disjointed thoughts on this whole thing.

As to the flying, I can see her wanting to BE there in person - that part makes sense to me. The flying up is what I don't understand. Driving would be almost the same amount of time, and might even have gotten her there faster because she wouldn't have to be waiting for the next available flight. Was it to be more dramatic? Make him (or her for that matter) think she'd be there sooner than she realistically probably could be? Maybe they just fly often? I don't know, that part has just always stuck out to me.

Was it his GF who took the keys, or his friends in Roseville/Rocklin? Early on I thought it was his friends, but now I'm confused on that point.

Everything I have read has said "friends" took the keys when he was in Chico. I can see his girl friend and her friends or roommate(s) being referred to as "friends". I haven't read anything that indicated his keys were taken away from him in Roseville/Rocklin.

 

[nikb]

That's a good point. Not being from that area, I didn't realize it would be just as easy (possibly) to drive. Maybe she just didn't think of that. Or maybe she just doesn't like road trips. My husband is like that. I've gotten to the point where I have flown SO MUCH that given the choice, I would way rather drive! At least that way, I can get out and stretch my legs when I wanted to or stop and eat something way better than airplane peanuts. But maybe Bryce's Mom prefers to fly. Or like you said, saying "I'm flying up there!" may have sounded better than "I'm driving up there". Not to mention, it does SOUND faster, even if it isn't or is close to the same.

Umm, about his gf taking his keys. :blush:. I think I was going by what an unverified insider said took place. You're right, his mother said "friends" but I believed what this insider said about the gf taking them makes more sense. However, now that you pointed it out, I probably shouldn't have said that, since this member has yet to become verified. Thanks for catching me on that. I kinda forgot we need to remain under the assumption it was"friends" as his mom said.

I'll admit, I'm probably biased being someone who likes road trips. I enjoy traveling but if it's within reasonable driving distance I'll pick that over the airport any day. More options, like you said (ability to get out and stretch my legs is one of many!). Maybe it's really different for Bryce and his family though. I wish we knew.

I hadn't even thought of this until reading your post, but technically speaking I guess "fly" up there might not mean airplane flight, could just mean a fast drive. Maybe... seems unlikely, but maybe.

re: the keys, ah I hadn't seen that before. but you're right the GF taking them makes more sense. I'm still really confused about that whole chain of events, as I know we all are.

 

[AnjL]

Quoting above from an earlier thread. I didnt realise that the police were at his car within an hour of him having the crash. Wow. HE could only have walked around 3 miles in that time, not sure about if in a car. But they were on it pretty quick!

I wonder if he was still nearby when police arrived. Maybe scared, disoriented, confused and ran from LE? At this point LE wasn't searching for Bryce yet. IIRC LE contacted the parents and asked if their vehicle had been stolen. They didn't find out that Bryce was missing until after they contacted his parents. That would have given Bryce more time to get further away. just thinking out loud here

 

[AnjL]

My questions are: Who asked for the 'well check' in Buttonwillow; was it specifically at a certain motel; if not, how was he located seemingly easy? Also seems his car was located quickly and easily considering reports say it was 15 feet down a ravine. It seems to me he was at a certain place and then he just disappeared. It wasn't as if he left and was never seen again. tia

I too would be interested in knowing how LE was notified of the accident. Did someone call it in? Maybe a worker at the lake?

 

[AnjL]

Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there. At all. How many men out there would have wanted their mom to fly out to visit at college because she was "worried about you"? My daughter isn't even AT college yet, and we have already been told we don't get to randomly visit. I respect that. (doesn't mean I won't...)

Was he that fragile, his attitude that worrisome, or was she a little over protective and he didn't want to feel smothered so was acting weird? It could have been any of them.

I don't think this would make him "fragile" my son and I are very close. Anytime he has a problem he calls me for advise, and quite often wants me to drive 3 hrs to come fix it for him. I also want to out out there that I don't think that mom should be considered "controlling" because she gave BL an allowance on a ATM card. I seriously doubt that she was constantly looking at that account to make sure that his purchases were legit. Same goes with his phone. What parent has the time or patience to check up on a kid that closely and with no past history of problems? I think he was probably just on an allowance to help him budget the money they were giving him, so that he didn't starve at the end of the month. IMO BL and moms relationship just appears to be a mutually close and loving one, not controlling as some people have posted. JMO MOO

 

[AnjL]

I'm with you, I have a zillion disjointed thoughts on this whole thing.

As to the flying, I can see her wanting to BE there in person - that part makes sense to me. The flying up is what I don't understand. Driving would be almost the same amount of time, and might even have gotten her there faster because she wouldn't have to be waiting for the next available flight. Was it to be more dramatic? Make him (or her for that matter) think she'd be there sooner than she realistically probably could be? Maybe they just fly often? I don't know, that part has just always stuck out to me.

Was it his GF who took the keys, or his friends in Roseville/Rocklin? Early on I thought it was his friends, but now I'm confused on that point.

Regarding the flying: some people just don't like to drive that far, 8 hours driving through nothing but fields is boring and hypnotic. Also, she would then have to drive back another 8 hours. If it were me, I would opt for flying instead. Another thought, maybe they had only 2 vehicles and BL had one of them at school with him, mom might have mentioned flying because dad would need the car at home. JMO