CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[SCV_EagleJ]

Okay, so I see the dam is on his way out of the area, so he could have veered off the road, on his way back to the 5, walked near the dam for a bit and by the lake before coming back to the road. It's all the same direction, so again, I think it is possible for him to have had time to go where he went then leave the area and avoid detection.

Except he would have had to come down this

http://www.castaiclake.com/images/lowerlake/lower_lake.jpg

and I though they said the "dogs" racked him down Lake Hughes rd to the entrance of the park. I could be wrong.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I hope he's not deceased but in my heart I feel he is. I had my pastor say a prayer for him today at bible study.

Bryce seems like a very nice kid. I just don't feel he would purposely hurt his parents, family and friends this long on purpose and intently damage a nice vehicle they let him use. I think they had a pretty good relationship.

He was acting strangely most likely from the Vyvanse. I think more than one IMO. People do strange things under the influence with no explanation why. He probably didn't even know why he was in Buttonwillow so long or why he was breaking up with KS. He wasn't acting normally around KS, her roomate or his Mom. Maybe he did go to the lake to smoke a joint. He was driving around in confusion. After not sleeping for 3 day's I'm sure his mind was a mess. I really think it was an accident. Where he is now I have no clue but I don't think any of this was planned.


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[SCV_EagleJ]

There must be something that we don't know (not saying we should) that makes them believe that he left the area for sure. It can't just be his scent leaving the Area. I mean is a bloodhound reason enough to stop searching? Do we know when they stopped the foot searches?

I wonder if they have a map of the areas that have been searched. I would love to take a look at that.

This is the first case I've ever followed this closely. Since I live in the area I see the missing posters every where I go. I feel so bad for his parents. I've got kids and I can't imagine what I would do hopefully something will pop up tomorrow

 

[AnjL]

Thanks! That took some mental gymnastics!

Here you go and drinks for everyone!

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I'll take one of each please! But if anyone asks about my drinking habits....it's all hear say!!

 

[cluciano63]

I can't help thinking of cases I have followed when the victim was found, deceased, in areas that had been previously searched and considered "cleared".
Even this week, a young woman (Aurora) was found who had been missing for over a year, just a mile or so from home. And a woman last year, found just literally yards from home after six months.

 

[gitana1]

Except he would have had to come down this

http://www.castaiclake.com/images/lowerlake/lower_lake.jpg

and I though they said the "dogs" racked him down Lake Hughes rd to the entrance of the park. I could be wrong.

Down the dam or down the roadway in the foreground, leading to the lake? he would not have had to slide down the dam in order to get out of the area. He could have just walked up to the dam and then went back to lake Hughes Road. Perhaps the police would have just passed the place he could have come out of, on their way to the scene of the accident. Wouldn't that be sad.

There must be something that we don't know (not saying we should) that makes them believe that he left the area for sure. It can't just be his scent leaving the Area. I mean is a bloodhound reason enough to stop searching? Do we know when they stopped the foot searches?

I wonder if they have a map of the areas that have been searched. I would love to take a look at that.

This is the first case I've ever followed this closely. Since I live in the area I see the missing posters every where I go. I feel so bad for his parents. I've got kids and I can't imagine what I would do hopefully something will pop up tomorrow

I think the fact that they haven't found him, as well as the dog tracking, is really the only thing. I don't think there is anything else to suggest he left the area. Because the lake is very clear and not filled with brush/debris so I understand why LE would believe there's no way he's in it. And the area there is high desert and pretty sparse. I suppose they think they would have easily been able to find his body if it was out there.

But Cluciano is right: There have been several finds of bodies in areas either searched or thought to have been searched. And I remember the Laura Bradbury case. That hapned in Joshua Tree. She went missing near some bathrooms and all they found, much, much later, was a skull fragment out in the desert. Authorities believe a wild animal may have carried her off, like a puma. (Her dad thinks the skull wasn't hers at all and the police are covering something up).

But it is possible for animals to make short work of human remains, especially in an area where there isn't a ton of food.

I still think he could easily be alive, though. Too many repeated stories of college-age kids just disappearing, surviving for days, weeks or months and most who appear to have suffered some sort of mental issue or head injury. So I don;t see that possibility as farfetched at all.

But if he is still at the lake, no searcher will find him because I seriously doubt there will be anymore searches in the region. If he is found there it will be accidental, IMO.

 

[AnjL]

And on the topic of searching the car, they would not need a warrant or even his consent. His mom owned the car and gave her consent. You don't need a warrant or even probable cause if you have the owner's consent. She could not consent to a search of his person or even likely his personal property- courts will differ on that when it is in the car and I won't pretend to know CA search and seizure law. So I don't know if they searched him or his bag. It doesn't sound like they used a dog or anything so it was likely just a cop rifling through the car. Some cops are pros and some can barely find their own hands. You never know.

Could his sentencing have included a 4 way search claus? Asking because I know that is frequently added to cases here in CA so I just assumed that is how and why they searched his vehicle when they located him at 9pm Thursday. I'm not exactly sure what that 4 way clause entails either, I think it's vehicle, home, person and something else?

 

[nikb]

One of the things that I have learned, in being a mother for almost four decades, is to never say "my kid would never do that," no matter what it pertains to. I have two good kids and am very close to both of them.

So true. I've lost count of the things I've done that I'd "never do" and I too am close to my parents, and am generally a "good kid." I'm sure my parents have their own stories.

Do we have any hints of where Bryce might go? Even if it's somewhere he'd "never go"?

 

[Lawyer for the Peeps]

Could his sentencing have included a 4 way search claus? Asking because I know that is frequently added to cases here in CA so I just assumed that is how and why they searched his vehicle when they located him at 9pm Thursday. I'm not exactly sure what that 4 way clause entails either, I think it's vehicle, home, person and something else?

No. We have nothing like that in our sentences in Illinois. Besides, his sentence was completed in July. His mom gave consent for her car. This makes me think she must have really been worried, as no mom wants to get her kid in trouble and I assume she knows his history. She must have felt desperate to help him.

 

[CatFancier]

Thank you for winding down the discussion about hearsay! For our purposes, since we are not in a court of law, we give more weight to whatever verified insiders say, regardless of how they heard it. However, again, if there are disagreements between verified insiders or you just don't believe what they have reported, that's fine. Let's just not argue about it here.

Also, to answer jillybean's question: we cannot discuss/sleuth comments from any FB page. If this info was provided by an official admin, we'd take a look but this is a random person out there posting...rumor!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Just checked the family FB page to see if there was any update on Karac A, the young commercial fisherman who is Bryce's double, and possibly the source of Port Orford sightings.

Several people have sent messages to his FB account to ask him to get in touch with the family and let them know if he has been fishing around Port Orford recently, so that he can be ruled in or ruled out. No news back yet.
This lad isn't a frequent FB user so it might take a while

ETA: Does anyone know - or question for Dragracerz - if the Toyota had airbags ( and if they were deployed)? Just wondering. Thank you.

 

[Quester]

RE: airbags

From the timeline, BBM:

F 8/30/13 btw 4:20 & 5:15am Castaic SUV CRASH: The crash had to happen between 4:20 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. when law enforcement arrived for a training exercise, KL said. It had gone down a 15-foot ravine nose first and landed on the passenger side. BL (or someone) used an emergency tool to break the back window. Or, back window shattered as a result of the crash.
KL: Airbag/s did not deploy.
DRZ: Keys were in the SUV/ignition. http://hometownstation.com/santa-cl...eputies-continue-search-missing-oc-teen-37622
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #3


- - - - DRZ: The way I heard it was the vehicle went around the gate (didn't hit it) and missed the cell tower and veered toward the drop off. That leads me to believe it was going straight and one side dropped off causing it to roll. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: One strange thing that was observed was that in the tire marks, there were mounds of dirt behind point of travel as to indicate acceleration NOT braking. Now, again, this could be a last minute effort to "save" the vehicle from going over OR one to dump it. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: … we know he was in the car at one point , guessing that he was at time of crash. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: The car rolled more than once (multiple) # not known. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: Also the vehicle came down on the nose, not on the rear as stated by someone else, it rolled, but landed on nose, then rested on passenger side. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #3


- - - - DRZ: The airbags didn't deploy in Bryces car because there was no front end collision, the car rolled. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: The seatbelts were not cut in the vehicle. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: There was / is a discrepancy about the emergency tool. The sheriff first on the scene said it was used. Another said it wasn't. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: I don't think the "emergency tool" was found and don't even know if it was used, the window might have broken in the crash. My sister told me she bought one of those tools to cut the seat belt / break windows etc and had it in the glove box or center console. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: It is still not known conclusively if the emergency tool was used to break the rear window or if it was broken in the crash. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1

 

[cluciano63]

I think I would consider arranging for independent searchers in the lake area, if I was this family. The sightings do not seem to be panning out. How horrible it would be if he is found there, much later. JMO

 

[LegallyBrunette]

RE: airbags

From the timeline, BBM:

F 8/30/13 btw 4:20 & 5:15am Castaic SUV CRASH: The crash had to happen between 4:20 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. when law enforcement arrived for a training exercise, KL said. It had gone down a 15-foot ravine nose first and landed on the passenger side. BL (or someone) used an emergency tool to break the back window. Or, back window shattered as a result of the crash.
KL: Airbag/s did not deploy.
DRZ: Keys were in the SUV/ignition. http://hometownstation.com/santa-cl...eputies-continue-search-missing-oc-teen-37622
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #3


- - - - DRZ: The way I heard it was the vehicle went around the gate (didn't hit it) and missed the cell tower and veered toward the drop off. That leads me to believe it was going straight and one side dropped off causing it to roll. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: One strange thing that was observed was that in the tire marks, there were mounds of dirt behind point of travel as to indicate acceleration NOT braking. Now, again, this could be a last minute effort to "save" the vehicle from going over OR one to dump it. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: … we know he was in the car at one point , guessing that he was at time of crash. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: The car rolled more than once (multiple) # not known. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: Also the vehicle came down on the nose, not on the rear as stated by someone else, it rolled, but landed on nose, then rested on passenger side. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #3


- - - - DRZ: The airbags didn't deploy in Bryces car because there was no front end collision, the car rolled. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: The seatbelts were not cut in the vehicle. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: There was / is a discrepancy about the emergency tool. The sheriff first on the scene said it was used. Another said it wasn't. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: I don't think the "emergency tool" was found and don't even know if it was used, the window might have broken in the crash. My sister told me she bought one of those tools to cut the seat belt / break windows etc and had it in the glove box or center console. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1


- - - - DRZ: It is still not known conclusively if the emergency tool was used to break the rear window or if it was broken in the crash. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1

Thank you so much! Trying to work out what injuries he may have suffered.
:tyou:

 

[Quester]

Thank you so much! Trying to work out what injuries he may have suffered.
:tyou:

YW :wave:

There was also the following which I will be adding to the timeline:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #5

 

[LegallyBrunette]

YW :wave:

There was also the following which I will be adding to the timeline:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 August 2013 - #5

You are a champion :cheers:
Guess it's a given he was wearing his seatbelt - otherwise he might have ended up through the screen or badly injured inside. Might explain what family were told by psychic about abdominal pain (from pressure of seatbelt) - car landing on its' nose before tipping over.
JMO

 

[missgulfsouth]

Do y'all remember Dale and Tanya Shannon from Illinois? She was missing from the car crash (he was dead in the car) and her body was found in a nearby field a month later, she had been fatally injured in the crash.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Thoughts:

If sleep deprived and on drugs, he may have hit the accelerator instead of the brakes, hence the mounds of dirt behind the tire marks.

If sleep deprived, on drugs, and just coming out of a potentially very serious accident, what is the likelihood off him navigating a dam successfully?

Could he be in the lake?

 

[Trackergd]

I think I would consider arranging for independent searchers in the lake area, if I was this family. The sightings do not seem to be panning out. How horrible it would be if he is found there, much later. JMO

I wish I had the vacation time and money to fly out and search. I have a purpose built SAR rough terrain vehicle that could cover a heck of a lot of territory in short order.

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

Thoughts:

If sleep deprived and on drugs, he may have hit the accelerator instead of the brakes, hence the mounds of dirt behind the tire marks.

If sleep deprived, on drugs, and just coming out of a potentially very serious accident, what is the likelihood off him navigating a dam successfully?

Could he be in the lake?

I believe they have ruled out the lake. They did extensive searches and believe his body would have surfest because of the heat.