CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[Voice4theSilent]

IMO a 19 yr old would tell a police officer that he was "going to hang out with friends" rather than "go home to mom and dad" to save face. It makes it seem like there were friends in Buttonwillow, but IMO it was just a phrase that came out of his mouth at the time.The whole thing is so confusing.

Really? If I were a 19 year old who had just been searched by the police outside of a truck stop I definitely would tell them I was heading home from college for the weekend (especially if it were true) instead of lying and stating I was going to hang out with friends and blow off steam. I, however, probably would have been a bit unnerved if police approached me and searched my vehicle. I get the impression Bryce wasn't very concerned with LE.

 

[slowpoke]

IMO a 19 yr old would tell a police officer that he was "going to hang out with friends" rather than "go home to mom and dad" to save face. It makes it seem like there were friends in Buttonwillow, but IMO it was just a phrase that came out of his mouth at the time.The whole thing is so confusing.

When he left the Chico area, maybe he was just doing aimless driving...to get away and think. Or to not have to think. Maybe driving was calming to him.

He was into doing sketches or drawings, and I wonder if it was something he liked doing to clear his mind? I wonder if any newly created ones were found in the car. That could explain some of the "lost hours" in the Buttonwillow area if he was drawing, wouldn't it.

At any rate, maybe he had no plan, no intended destination. Just driving, getting away.

I guess this doesn't help figure out where he could be now, though! Just thinking aloud...

 

[Quester]

General question ... When is the end of the harvesting season? TIA

In the CA central valley?
In CA elsewhere?
In OR?
In ?? ?​

 

[Kimster]

General question ... When is the end of the harvesting season? TIA

In the CA central valley?
In CA elsewhere?
In OR?
In ?? ?​

Depends on your crop.

 

[AmandaFast]

I feel as if he had no choice but to dump the car now. He realizes on the way his mom is very resourceful and he has to alter his plan. He probably considered dumping the phone in the lake so she couldn't ping it but maybe then realized she would have a bolo put out on his car.

Maybe he thought the only way was to get rid of the car and the phone. The pay phones would be critical if that was what happened. In that case he had to call someone to come get him. Preferably someone who was within 3 hours of him because after that the police started searching. Not that he couldn't hide but to be near the phone booth the person picking him up had to be within 3 hours of his location. Unless he called a cab.

Maybe calling the cab companies in the area could help??

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[Trackergd]

This was my first thought. RiverKing?


There wouldn't be glass in the Google satellite view. Those images are months to years old.

Actually, if it did land on a ledge, it would be better to tow it uphill. Going down would be very dangerous coming over the steep drop off & would most likely roll.

Dragrcerz: if you're still here, do you have anything on this information. That the SUV actually was found on the hill, not down on the road?

RBBM

I was referring to the pictures pictures posted, not the Google View. No plastic from lenses shows on the road in either picture, but do show in the at least one of two other pictures posted, but not along the road. Perhaps on the ledge?

 

[Trackergd]

Removed? Were the phones there after crash? There was at least one there, right? Sorry, confused :/

I thought Riverking noted that phones had been removed a while back. I was wondering if Bryce had seen the phone symbol signs and had thought there were phones at the boat ramp.

 

[Quester]

I feel as if he had no choice but to dump the car now. He realizes on the way his mom is very resourceful and he has to alter his plan. He probably considered dumping the phone in the lake so she couldn't ping it but maybe then realized she would have a bolo put out on his car.

Maybe he thought the only way was to get rid of the car and the phone. The pay phones would be critical if that was what happened. In that case he had to call someone to come get him. Preferably someone who was within 3 hours of him because after that the police started searching. Not that he couldn't hide but to be near the phone booth the person picking him up had to be within 3 hours of his location. Unless he called a cab.

Maybe calling the cab companies in the area could help??

But why dump/roll/damage the SUV? Why not just hide the SUV?

 

[AmandaFast]

I thought Riverking noted that phones had been removed a while back. I was wondering if Bryce had seen the phone symbol signs and had thought there were phones at the boat ramp.

That would ruin my theory grrr lol

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[AmandaFast]

But why dump/roll/damage the SUV? Why not just hide the SUV?

Because no matter what, the phone would be able to ping his last location. They'd easily be able to find a hidden car near that last ping area.

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[Jillybean78]

I thought Riverking noted that phones had been removed a while back. I was wondering if Bryce had seen the phone symbol signs and had thought there were phones at the boat ramp.

Oh, I thought he had mentioned there were pay phones at the boat shop on the ramp as well as in the campsite area? There was a discussion here yesterday, but it could have been removed? I'll look..

This would give reason to believe he could have called someone collect..

 

[Quester]

That would ruin my theory grrr lol

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He did note there is a pay phone at the nearby 7/11. HTH

 

[AmandaFast]

He did note there is a pay phone at the nearby 7/11. HTH

Right!!!! What would I do without you dear Quester <3

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[beshasmyheart]

I feel as if he had no choice but to dump the car now. He realizes on the way his mom is very resourceful and he has to alter his plan. He probably considered dumping the phone in the lake so she couldn't ping it but maybe then realized she would have a bolo put out on his car.

Maybe he thought the only way was to get rid of the car and the phone. The pay phones would be critical if that was what happened. In that case he had to call someone to come get him. Preferably someone who was within 3 hours of him because after that the police started searching. Not that he couldn't hide but to be near the phone booth the person picking him up had to be within 3 hours of his location. Unless he called a cab.

Maybe calling the cab companies in the area could help??

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Since we don't have any info re: the phone records from the carrier, could he have called someone from his cell and then deleted it from the phone?

 

[Riverking21]

Riverking,

Were the signs for the pay phones at the boat ramp still posted, even though the phones had been removed?

They wouldn't let me in without paying I was furious so they called the main office and let me talk to them while standing there and told me they were removed. Something about it became their responsibility for maintaining them since they were in the park property. It's been a few years now she said.

 

[BluePoppy]

Let me throw out my current theory: Bryce was intending to go home to discuss whatever the thing was that he said he had a lot to talk about. But I don't think he wanted his parents to know. He just wanted to "show up". He wanted to talk face to face & didn't want to alert them to his coming because he felt they would tell him he couldn't - too long a drive alone, not safe, etc, and/or start pumping him for information about what he wanted to discuss, which he didn't want to get into until he was there & could lay it all out.

He knew very few people in Southern California at all. Those he did have to have been checked out and/or would have come forward by now if went there or was expected to show up but didn't.

Delays in Buttonwillow: I think was a combination of sleeping & crashing down from being wired / high. He ran out of gas at a rest stop. That doesn't happen unless you are parked there with your car running for an extended period. The drive into the rest stop area is much to far to "coast" after running out of gas. He was sleeping with the AC on & ran out. He later went further down the freeway to the truck stop area, likely for food. I guessing he had some cash.

He was hanging out there for the same reasons mentioned above & just overall "out of it" from extended sleep deprivation. He was trying to clear his head & figure out what he was doing. Maybe rethinking his original plans after being a little more clear headed. Once he was on the phone with his mom, it appears he was attempting to head home. The route through the grapevine was riddled with massive construction & detours (thanks Ghost for the reminder!).

He finally got to Castaic & wanted to pull off. Some people just CAN'T stay awake driving in the middle of the night to save their lives. My husband is one of them, even at Bryce's age. Either that, or he just wasn't ready to face mom - maybe she was angry on the phone with him a few hours before or during the 1:50am call. She expressed frustration in MSM interviews of his comments of not knowing where he was on I-5 & detouring off the freeway. If she expressed frustration in an interview, I find it very possible she expressed it much stronger to Bryce on the phone. I know I would have been upset with my child at that point, not knowing what all we know now.

What happened after the accident, I have no idea. But I don't believe it was intentional.
What he wanted to talk about, I've always thought he wanted to go home to Illinois. Uprooting an 18 yr old, just out of high school, to half way across the country would be VERY hard on the teen psychologically.

:twocents: All this JMO.

 

[AmandaFast]

Since we don't have any info re: the phone records from the carrier, could he have called someone from his cell and then deleted it from the phone?

I thought I remembered dragracerz saying KL checked for calls online and nothing.

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[Quester]

Because no matter what, the phone would be able to ping his last location. They'd easily be able to find a hidden car near that last ping area.

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Sorry ... it's still unclear to me why the damage to the SUV was necessary ...

Why does the fact that LE would be able to determine the last location of the pinged phone make it necessary to damage/roll the SUV?

Or perhaps the damage was unintentional, he had just planned to hide the SUV behind the antenna, something went wrong and he rolled the SUV?

Or ???

 

[Riverking21]

RBBM

I was referring to the pictures pictures posted, not the Google View. No plastic from lenses shows on the road in either picture, but do show in the at least one of two other pictures posted, but not along the road. Perhaps on the ledge?

That what I have been saying. The 2 pics they used did not show anything and in fact I know I've seen those pics before since they are from the signal I think they've been used before for other stories. The only pic I saw with any debris in it I didn't notice concrete just dirt and add that to the drag marks up the hill leads me to believe that it didn't actually hit the road and that they are confused. Another reason why I say that is they keep calling it a revine. I don't know what they are talking about.

 

[AmandaFast]

Sorry ... it's still unclear to me why the damage to the SUV was necessary ...

Why does the fact that LE would be able to determine the last location of the pinged phone make it necessary to damage/roll the SUV?

Or perhaps the damage was unintentional, he had just planned to hide the SUV behind the antenna, something went wrong and he rolled the SUV?

Or ???

There's 2 times his car was seen on camera. I think he called someone and was waiting for them to come get him. When they finally arrived he went to ditch the car and either it accidentally rolled or it intentionally rolled.

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