CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[Quester]

I thought I remembered dragracerz saying KL checked for calls online and nothing.

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KL said BL's last call was to her at 2:08am. So I assume there was no cell phone activity after 4:20am and we do know:

- - - - DRZ: No phone or CC/DC activity btw 2:08am and 4:20am.
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[Jo in Calif]

There's 2 times his car was seen on camera. I think he called someone and was waiting for them to come get him. When they finally arrived he went to ditch the car and either it accidentally rolled or it intentionally rolled.

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Exactly. Who drives for two hours looking for a place to pull over to sleep going in circles?

 

[AmandaFast]

Maybe it won't lead anywhere but maybe going through all his FB friends and seeing if anyone's location is within 2-3 hours from Castaic could be beneficial.

As well as calling all the cab companies and seeing if they gave him a ride out of there.

He easily could have told the cab that AAA is coming to pick up the car and needs a ride out of there.

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[Riverking21]

Let me throw out my current theory: Bryce was intending to go home to discuss whatever the thing was that he said he had a lot to talk about. But I don't think he wanted his parents to know. He just wanted to "show up". He wanted to talk face to face & didn't want to alert them to his coming because he felt they would tell him he couldn't - too long a drive alone, not safe, etc, and/or start pumping him for information about what he wanted to discuss, which he didn't want to get into until he was there & could lay it all out.

He knew very few people in Southern California at all. Those he did have to have been checked out and/or would have come forward by now if went there or was expected to show up but didn't.

Delays in Buttonwillow: I think was a combination of sleeping & crashing down from being wired / high. He ran out of gas at a rest stop. That doesn't happen unless you are parked there with your car running for an extended period. The drive into the rest stop area is much to far to "coast" after running out of gas. He was sleeping with the AC on & ran out. He later went further down the freeway to the truck stop area, likely for food. I guessing he had some cash.

He was hanging out there for the same reasons mentioned above & just overall "out of it" from extended sleep deprivation. He was trying to clear his head & figure out what he was doing. Maybe rethinking his original plans after being a little more clear headed. Once he was on the phone with his mom, it appears he was attempting to head home. The route through the grapevine was riddled with massive construction & detours (thanks Ghost for the reminder!).

He finally got to Castaic & wanted to pull off. Some people just CAN'T stay awake driving in the middle of the night to save their lives. My husband is one of them, even at Bryce's age. Either that, or he just wasn't ready to face mom - maybe she was angry on the phone with him a few hours before or during the 1:50am call. She expressed frustration in MSM interviews of his comments of not knowing where he was on I-5 & detouring off the freeway. If she expressed frustration in an interview, I find it very possible she expressed it much stronger to Bryce on the phone. I know I would have been upset with my child at that point, not knowing what all we know now.

What happened after the accident, I have no idea. But I don't believe it was intentional.
What he wanted to talk about, I've always thought he wanted to go home to Illinois. Uprooting an 18 yr old, just out of high school, to half way across the country would be VERY hard on the teen psychologically.

:twocents: All this JMO.

I agree I don't believe the accident was intentional. I believe the accident directly led to what happened next and what he's doing now.

 

[kevsrebla]

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

5:30 a.m. Friday - CHP officers locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed. Although he left the valuables – laptop, cell phone and wallet – a duffle bag is found at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it.

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The second picture is from right across from where the car landed--top arrow, cell tower, bottom arrow, debris from accident (glass, red tail lights, etc.)

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locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed.

So are we still confused about where the SUV ended up? On Main Boat Ramp Rd, on it's side. If it were on one road (Main Ramp Rd) why would it be dragged uphill (by tow truck) , to the cell tower located on Lake Hughes Rd.

 

[AmandaFast]

Don't focus on what you think or don't think happened. The theory of him being in OR won't help us find him. We have no way of tracking him to OR for now.

This theory could have him accidentally OR purposely ditching the car.

This theory also has a way to follow up with cabs and friends on FBs locations.

We have to try to focus on what theories have options for us to follow up on.

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[Riverking21]

Exactly. Who drives for two hours looking for a place to pull over to sleep going in circles?

I don't think he drove around for 2 hours. We don't know what time he came back down the hill. I think he might have driven up the hill and saw the sheriffs patrolling like they do up there and he found the spot before the accident. He might have gone back down to meet someone? Maybe they went to the lower lagoon and he went down to get them? Then went back up to the spot at 4:20 maybe he hadn't been there the whole time until he got the text?

 

[AmandaFast]

At this point any of our theories could possibly be true.

I think the key here is looking at all our scenarios again and asking this question:

"If this is what happened, what means do we have of following up on it or verifying it?"

We then should compile a list of things and have dragracerz make the calls and see of any work out and give us a lead. Whatcha think???

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[Riverking21]

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

5:30 a.m. Friday - CHP officers locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed. Although he left the valuables – laptop, cell phone and wallet – a duffle bag is found at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it.

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The second picture is from right across from where the car landed--top arrow, cell tower, bottom arrow, debris from accident (glass, red tail lights, etc.)

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locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed.

So are we still confused about where the SUV ended up? On Main Boat Ramp Rd, on it's side. If it were on one road (Main Ramp Rd) why would it be dragged uphill (by tow truck) , to the cell tower located on Lake Hughes Rd.

When we were standing at the top of the hill I looked over and I saw the drag mark it was very large. I looked over to the person I was with and I said is that where they pulled it up and she said yes the tow truck driver pulled it up from there. I said I thought it was on the paved road down below and they said no it was laying in the ditch right there. Which would mean the SUV didn't get much power to actually roll. I know dragz said there were power tracks? I could be wrong but I think from turning the wheels it would build up dirt behind them as well. I think once he got stuck from trying to back up he panicked

 

[BluePoppy]

I had always thought SD's last text exchange with Bryce was on Thursday while in Buttonwillow. So I went back to look. No. It was on Wednesday afternoon. So SD was clearly worried about Bryce then. I believe it was reported early on that mom talked to Bryce early afternoon (1-2'ish) on Wednesday & that's when he told her he was going to break up with KS, mom offered to fly up there & Bryce said no, don't do that - he has a lot to talk to her about.

But then SD texts Bryce again at 8:24pm on Wednesday "...what's going on?!" Clearly there's concern there that something isn't right.

From this article: http://video.fox40.com/Student-Hopes-Roommate-Who-Went-Missing-in-SoCal-Returns-Safe-25130922


Found it - from:http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104072/
"She shared some “troubling” details she’s learned about her son’s roadtrip home.

On Wednesday [8/28] at about 1:30 p.m., Bryce told his mother he was going to break up with his girlfriend with whom he “had been so in love” for the past five months, she said."

 

[Whiteorchids]

When he left the Chico area, maybe he was just doing aimless driving...to get away and think. Or to not have to think. Maybe driving was calming to him.

He was into doing sketches or drawings, and I wonder if it was something he liked doing to clear his mind? I wonder if any newly created ones were found in the car. That could explain some of the "lost hours" in the Buttonwillow area if he was drawing, wouldn't it.

At any rate, maybe he had no plan, no intended destination. Just driving, getting away.

I guess this doesn't help figure out where he could be now, though! Just thinking aloud...

My thoughts all along!! No plan.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I feel as if he had no choice but to dump the car now. He realizes on the way his mom is very resourceful and he has to alter his plan. He probably considered dumping the phone in the lake so she couldn't ping it but maybe then realized she would have a bolo put out on his car.

Maybe he thought the only way was to get rid of the car and the phone. The pay phones would be critical if that was what happened. In that case he had to call someone to come get him. Preferably someone who was within 3 hours of him because after that the police started searching. Not that he couldn't hide but to be near the phone booth the person picking him up had to be within 3 hours of his location. Unless he called a cab.

Maybe calling the cab companies in the area could help??

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Good Idea Amanda. Cabbies on occasion gave my son a ride home no charge when he was having an episode out of the goodness of their hearts

 

[kevsrebla]

When we were standing at the top of the hill I looked over and I saw the drag mark it was very large. I looked over to the person I was with and I said is that where they pulled it up and she said yes the tow truck driver pulled it up from there. I said I thought it was on the paved road down below and they said no it was laying in the ditch right there. Which would mean the SUV didn't get much power to actually roll. I know dragz said there were power tracks? I could be wrong but I think from turning the wheels it would build up dirt behind them as well. I think once he got stuck from trying to back up he panicked

top of the hill Where exactly?

drag mark it was very large Where was this drag mark? The ravine? Side of the hill? By the cell tower?

I said is that where they pulled it up and she said yes the tow truck driver pulled it up from there Who is She and how does she know this? Was she LE or part of the search team?

they said no it was laying in the ditch right there. What ditch and were was it located? And who was They?

Sorry, your insight or should I say opinion has me confused. I thought we had all the facts on this. I don't mean any disrespect here. You were there, I was not. I guess I had my head wrapped around it one way and now your saying something that does not fit that line of thinking. I sure wish you could provide pictures.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I don't think he drove around for 2 hours. We don't know what time he came back down the hill. I think he might have driven up the hill and saw the sheriffs patrolling like they do up there and he found the spot before the accident. He might have gone back down to meet someone? Maybe they went to the lower lagoon and he went down to get them? Then went back up to the spot at 4:20 maybe he hadn't been there the whole time until he got the text?

If that would be the case, what would make him go back to the location that he saw sheriffs patrolling?

 

[SandSage]

When we were standing at the top of the hill I looked over and I saw the drag mark it was very large. I looked over to the person I was with and I said is that where they pulled it up and she said yes the tow truck driver pulled it up from there. I said I thought it was on the paved road down below and they said no it was laying in the ditch right there. Which would mean the SUV didn't get much power to actually roll. I know dragz said there were power tracks? I could be wrong but I think from turning the wheels it would build up dirt behind them as well. I think once he got stuck from trying to back up he panicked

This actually does make more sense to me. References abound about a "15 foot ravine" and according to photos, it's a heck of a lot farther down to the road than 15 feet. I'm really leaning toward reporter error. Was it found at the bottom of a 15 foot ravine or MUCH FARTHER THAN 15 FEET below on the road? :twocents:

 

[nikb]

Nice Google overview!

I don't see the broken plastic in either shot (unless I am missing something) which makes me think Riverking is correct about being further up the embankment.

Seems odd that they would tow it uphill since that puts a lot more strain on the cables and hoist booms.

I'm not a towing expert by any stretch of the imagination... but I could see them pulling it up rather than down if they weren't 100% sure how it might move on the embankment going downhill. Wouldn't want to risk further damage or it landing on the tow truck.

 

[BluePoppy]

When we were standing at the top of the hill I looked over and I saw the drag mark it was very large. I looked over to the person I was with and I said is that where they pulled it up and she said yes the tow truck driver pulled it up from there. I said I thought it was on the paved road down below and they said no it was laying in the ditch right there. Which would mean the SUV didn't get much power to actually roll. I know dragz said there were power tracks? I could be wrong but I think from turning the wheels it would build up dirt behind them as well. I think once he got stuck from trying to back up he panicked

So we have conflicting info here. All along, we've gone off the MSM's & other info quoted by Kevsrebla of being ON Main Ramp Rd. But when I linked this very first article from SCV Signal a few minutes ago, I couldn't help but notice it said:

"...his crashed SUV was found at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine near Castaic Lake Main Boat Ramp early Friday morning."
BBM http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104072/

The "15 foot" drop part always stuck with me & bugged me in the back of my mind. Figured it for a reporting error, since it's clearly so much further to Main Ramp Rd. But this article actually supports RK's information.

ETA: I sure wish I could find that pic with the broken glass, tail lights, lighter, etc. I've seen it a couple times, but can't find it now.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I'm not a towing expert by any stretch of the imagination... but I could see them pulling it up rather than down if they weren't 100% sure how it might move on the embankment going downhill. Wouldn't want to risk further damage or it landing on the tow truck.

I wonder why LE never released any pictures of the vehicle at the crash scene before it was towed. I find that another oddity.


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[AmandaFast]

Spoke to dragracerz who has given me permission to setup a search team to go to Buttonwillow and retrace his steps and do a little investigation down there and see if we find anything.

Any locals interested? (Im in Canyon Country)

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[BluePoppy]

Just called both local cab companies and they will be getting back with me on any details later today. Said that if a call was made from the area at that time they will let me know but no details without a subpoena. Figured if they did in fact get a call around that day and time and location then obviously LE would be interested in getting a subpoena so let's see what they say.

Fingers crossed!!!

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I would think an LE request may be honored as well.