GUILTY CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4), still missing, Calif. City, *Mistrial on counts 4 & 5)* 21 Dec 2020 #8

[cuffem]

Detective Phillip Richardi from BPD takes the stand.He was tasks with getting video surveillance from Dollar General on Cottonwood Road on Jan 8, 2021.

Prosecutor Smith displays map showing location of store.

The wests has stated they made a purchase at the store.He was looking at video from Sept 12,16, 20 and 22 2020.

On the 12th video he sees TW ride a bike to the Dollar General and purchase a case of water. On the 16th TW arrives at the store in the van, goes in and purchases item and leaves.

Sept 22 video he sees TW go in and purchase and leave. He states he never saw anyone else in video.

No cross exam and Det. Richardi is excused.

Court is in recess until 1:30.

 

[cuffem]

DBM

 

[cvaldez1975]

At age 3 and 4 I would question why they weren’t potty trained and out of diaper.

6 boys here, not a single one was under 3 and none of my boys are traumatized / in and out of foster. its very plausible they were in diapers.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Eisenhower was our President when I was born -- and I know how to block a number on my phone.




Foster kids are definitely covered. Any foster-to-adopt situation I've ever heard of included state health coverage for the child.

(In at least one state the adoptive parents can request a tuition/post-secondary grant, ensuring that the child can attend college at a state university.)


IMHO, excuses.

JMHO YMMV LRR

true but ppl can call from fake numbers if they know your number.

 

[cuffem]

Det. Steven Pace with BPD is on stand and showing video of Lassers Grocery on California Ave. with a grocery receipt to retrieve video from Dec. 5 2020 at 11:59 am.

Video from the store shows TW in checkout line, makes purchase and leaves.

Video from same day at 12:38pm of Smart and Final on Stockade Highway. TW made a purchased a large quantity of items and left.

Video from another Smart and Final on White lane. On Dec 20 shows TW making purchase. Let. Pace retrieved a receipt of TW's purchase that day.

Another location Pace went to was The Wooden Nickel Trading company and retrieved a receipt where TW purchased a knife with 2 side straps.

Under cross Pace states TW used a debit card.

Det. Pace is excused.

 

[cuffem]

Det. John Billdt with BPD takes the stand. Jan 20,2020 wrote a search warrant for credit report of the Wests.

Submitted report to Experian, Equifax and Experian.

From Equifax he found a homeland taken out on Sept. 2020 and Strata overdraft protection.

Billdt received evidence taken from 2 chrome books associated with 2 of the Wests children.

On March 17,2021 Billdt went to the AMPM on Madera to retrieve a video that shows a white Ford van in the lot and a female juvenile with an adult get out of the van.

Det Billdt is excused with no cross exam.

 

[cuffem]

In my opinion the prosecution is showing that Orson and Orrin are nowhere to be seen on any security footage before and during that time period of them reported missing.

 

[cuffem]

Louise James from BPD a task officer with the Dept of Homeland Security takes the stand.

On Dec. 23 2020 James went to Cali City to assist liaison officers and write warrants.

He wrote warrants for 4 cellphones related to the case.

He sent warrants to T-Mobile and Metro PCS.

He received detailed data from JW's phone, some shows GPS and cellphone data.

4 different phone numbers associated with 2 phones. One of the phones switched SIM card.

James wrote warrants for Facebook and Instagram.

He wrote warrants associated with TW and JW.

He reviewed the warrants and provided to FBI.

Smith ended questioning of James and Stallings cross examines.

James says he was in Cali. City for 5 days and did not requests phone data and social media from Orrin and Orson's bio family.

James says he relied on the info from the police and FBI to write his warrants. Warrants need probable cause.

James is excused.

 

[cuffem]

Imo, Defense is going to blame the boys were taken by the bio family.

 

[cuffem]

Clifton Taylor a specialist with Kern County Dept. of Human Services.He is reading a record of confidentiality of the records in your possession.

Showing the 5 steps to becoming a foster parent. Attend Orientation, submit background check, attend training and home inspections.

Other children in the home are interviewed when someone applies to adopt.Parents go through a series of interviews.

You would not be able to adopt if fostering is your main income.

Taylor is not aware of followups to see if they have same income after the adoption.

No guidelines on how much a person must make to adopt.

Typically money for each child adopted starts at $1,200. a month.

One resource officer assigned to each family and home visits once a month.

On occasion DNA will be taken from a child to establish paternity in a juvenile case.

Current photos of the child should be in their case files.

If a child goes missing here are no other means to identify a child besides perhaps medical records.

Foster children get medical evaluations once a month and babies every few months.

Behavioral issues assessed once a year.

Smith asks if there are rules on sharing photos of the child to other family members, Taylor says no.

To adopt the parents are asked a series of questions regarding their health, mental health and trauma from childhood.

If a child can not be reunited with birth family a foster parent or permanent home is looked for.

The process starts with reunification ending, child is freed for adoption and birth parents make an appeal.

Something is sent to the state to get permission to move forward with adoption.A meeting is set up to sign paperwork, filling out what the birth certificate will look like and financial assistance they receive.

Court is in 15 min. break.

 

[cuffem]

AHHH! Here we go, Smith is establishing that the primary income of foster parents can not be from foster care.
The earlier poster was right about them buying the house and needing the income from fostering Orrin and Orson.

 

[cuffem]

I have to take a break if anyone can post the tweets from KGET 17 news, it would be appreciated.

I am still listening to the trial and maybe Pommy or anyone else can update the tweets later if they are able.

Someone needs to teach me to cut and paste the KGET17 tweets from the trial. I have been trying to do it by hand.
I did the best I could but might be typos or errors.

I think I am the only one listening to this trial atm with the other 2 trials also going on.

 

[alexanicoluca]

i can upload screenshots of the tweets if it’s allowed

 

[cuffem]

i can upload screenshots of the tweets if it’s allowed

Yes please! Only from local news media.
They are done for the day.

 

[Knox]

In my opinion the prosecution is showing that Orson and Orrin are nowhere to be seen on any security footage before and during that time period of them reported missing.

Yes! But the problem is - the day they dropped the four kids off at Wanda's house. At any of the subsequent stops they made, only Trezell gets out of the vehicle. So it can easilt be said Orrin & Orson were in the vehicle with Jacqueline.

Our only hope is Wanda, who we haven't heard from yet. They supposedly took her to the credit union that day to withdraw money. Will she say there were only four kids in the van that day?

 

[Knox]

I'm looking forward to hearing the criminalist's testimony tomorrow. He's the only one besides the Lotus Lane property manager that I've heard say "can I refer to my notes".

 

[cuffem]

From the testimony today from Taylor at DHHS, there should have been a home visit once a month in the 4 months since the Wests left Bakersfield and moved to Cali City. Therefore a social worker should have seen the boys or was this not done because of covid during this time?

 

[cuffem]

I'm looking forward to hearing the criminalist's testimony tomorrow. He's the only one besides the Lotus Lane property manager that I've heard say "can I refer to my notes".

Alfredo Baylaca from the crime lab will give testimony on processing the West's white van. I suppose we will hear about the item of the 2 broken boards taped together.

 

[Knox]

From the testimony today from Taylor at DHHS, there should have been a home visit once a month in the 4 months since the Wests left Bakersfield and moved to Cali City. Therefore a social worker should have seen the boys or was this not done because of covid during this time?

Interesting - so there are home visits made Post-Adoption?

 

[cuffem]

Interesting - so there are home visits made Post-Adoption?

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Knox has pointed out that the once a month visit is in regards to fostering children and may not apply to adopting.