I think that's related to fostering, not adoption, JMO.
I heard Torres Stallings ask that witness if there is anything put into a case file post-adoption. Initally he said he didn't know, but later said if anything, perhaps a handwritten note.
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I heard Torres Stallings ask that witness if there is anything put into a case file post-adoption. Initally he said he didn't know, but later said if anything, perhaps a handwritten note.
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Cuffem, thank you so much for all the updates! I'll start right where you left off after the afternoon break.
MOOSorry! I did not catch that. I am a bit confused with the ins and outs of fostering and adopting.
I will try to be more careful when commenting.
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Thanks! Pommy, there was not much after that but the Bakersfield Apt. Manager and the Crime lab guy and that was somewhat brief.Cuffem, thank you so much for all the updates! I'll start right where you left off after the afternoon break.
It's really difficult to follow with only sound!! I wonder if the jurors are growing weary of all the video and recordings?
Thanks for keeping us up to speed today.
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Afternoon Testimony
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
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(Continuation of testimony from Clifton Taylor, a program specialist of the Kern County Department of Human Services)
Court is back in session. A judge or juvenile court would make a decision that a child is now free to be adopted. #WestsTrial
3:19 PM · Apr 18, 2023
From the time parental rights are terminated to a completed adoption takes a year to 18 months, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Judge Charles R. Brehmer told the jury Taylor did nothing wrong when he cited certain codes before giving his testimony, and that the questioning of him won't go into areas he's not allowed to speak about due to confidentiality issues. #WestsTrial
Children are questioned if they would like to continue living in the foster home before they're adopted, if they enjoy living there. #WestsTrial
There's not a specific medical exam, but they have their annual exam completed to see if there are any developmental needs the child has, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
There are times when two families are competing to adopt the same child, Taylor said, but generally the foster home where the child was placed will have the advantage. #WestsTrial
A judge is present for the adoption to make it legal as it's a court proceeding, Taylor said. After adoption, there is "minimal" contact with the child and DHS. They're not actively monitored after that time, he said. #WestsTrial
There is no verification process Taylor is aware of to determine whether the stipend the adoptive parents get for the child is the sole source of income. #WestsTrial
Every 2 years they must fill out paperwork to keep getting the stipend, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
The renewal of the stipend doesn't include a home visit. #WestsTrial
Generally, once an adoption is completed you can't turn the child back in to the state if there are issues, Taylor said. There are counseling services they can link the family to, he said. #WestsTrial
If CPS removes the child from the home, the adoptive family would be responsible for child support, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Asked about the Jamison Center, Taylor said it's a temporary shelter in Kern County for children. They try not to have them there for more than a few days. #WestsTrial
The children taken in a criminal investigation would be placed in an emergency foster home or, briefly, in the Jamison Center, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
A judge would make an order to remove children from the home and what visitation the parents would have, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
(Continuation of testimony from Clifton Taylor, a program specialist of the Kern County Department of Human Services)
Court is back in session. A judge or juvenile court would make a decision that a child is now free to be adopted. #WestsTrial
3:19 PM · Apr 18, 2023
From the time parental rights are terminated to a completed adoption takes a year to 18 months, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Judge Charles R. Brehmer told the jury Taylor did nothing wrong when he cited certain codes before giving his testimony, and that the questioning of him won't go into areas he's not allowed to speak about due to confidentiality issues. #WestsTrial
Children are questioned if they would like to continue living in the foster home before they're adopted, if they enjoy living there. #WestsTrial
There's not a specific medical exam, but they have their annual exam completed to see if there are any developmental needs the child has, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
There are times when two families are competing to adopt the same child, Taylor said, but generally the foster home where the child was placed will have the advantage. #WestsTrial
A judge is present for the adoption to make it legal as it's a court proceeding, Taylor said. After adoption, there is "minimal" contact with the child and DHS. They're not actively monitored after that time, he said. #WestsTrial
There is no verification process Taylor is aware of to determine whether the stipend the adoptive parents get for the child is the sole source of income. #WestsTrial
Every 2 years they must fill out paperwork to keep getting the stipend, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
The renewal of the stipend doesn't include a home visit. #WestsTrial
Generally, once an adoption is completed you can't turn the child back in to the state if there are issues, Taylor said. There are counseling services they can link the family to, he said. #WestsTrial
If CPS removes the child from the home, the adoptive family would be responsible for child support, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Asked about the Jamison Center, Taylor said it's a temporary shelter in Kern County for children. They try not to have them there for more than a few days. #WestsTrial
The children taken in a criminal investigation would be placed in an emergency foster home or, briefly, in the Jamison Center, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
A judge would make an order to remove children from the home and what visitation the parents would have, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
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Afternoon Testimony
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
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(Cross-examination of Clifton Taylor, a program specialist of the Kern County Department of Human Services)
Torres Stallings has begun cross-examination. #WestsTrial
Taylor said he's not aware of how many children in the foster system are Black, Hispnanic or white. He doesn't know the percentage of children who are Black or Hispanic who are reunited with their families. #WestsTrial
Across the board it's about 50 percent, he said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings is going over the process when there is a referral to CPS. She asked how much time the parent has until a child is removed from their home. Taylor said once the warrant is signed they do it immediately, there is no time frame. #WestsTrial
Recommendations to the judge will involve multiple social workers, Taylor said. The court social worker gets info from other social workers who investigate the referral. The judge then makes a determination. #WestsTrial
When a child is removed from a home, relatives would be considered for placement of the child. For example, if a boyfriend or husband was involved in an incident, the birth mother might be considered if she lived in another residence and had minimal contact with him. #WestsTrial
Taylor testified he has been to the Jamison Center 10 to 20 times. Under questioning by Torres Stallings, he said younger children are placed out of the center immediately, within hours. He said he believes the baseline for emergency foster care is 4 and under. #WestsTrial
Taylor said he's unaware of rapes and robberies at the Jamison Center. He is aware of assaults that occur there. #WestsTrial
A sidebar has been called following an objection by Smith. #WestsTrial
Attorneys and judge are back. #WestsTrial
In a 14-day notice, a foster family can write something saying they can no longer have the child in their care. Taylor said the child "may or may not" be made aware of the reason why the family wants them to move. #WestsTrial
Once the notice is filed, the parents, child and DHS and birth parents (if still involved) come together to discuss the issues and see what's best for the child, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked what recourse the foster family has if they don't get along with the social worker assigned to them. Taylor said they could talk with a supervisor to work out issues, or file a formal complaint. #WestsTrial
He said it would be unusual to have another social worker assigned. #WestsTrial
Part of the foster parent process requires looking for a criminal background, as well as checking them in a system called CACI (Child Abuse Central Index) to see if there is a substantiated allegation of child abuse against them any state. #WestsTrial
Asked if he encounters families who say an adoption isn't working out, Taylor said yes. #WestsTrial
Taylor said DHS contracts with an agency for post-adoption services, they would no longer be directly involved. The family's point of contact would probably be Kern County adoptions, and they would refer the family to the agency. #WestsTrial
Taylor testified he doesn't know if those requests by adoptive parents would be noted somewhere. #WestsTrial
The amount given to adoptive parents for a child changes each year, the rates go up, Taylor said. Children with a disability could get a "special care increment," he said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked if children with those types of issues aren't as readily adopted. Taylor testified children with "more issues" are less likely to be adopted. Torres Stallings ended questioning. #WestsTrial
Taylor has been excused. #WestsTrial
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
(Cross-examination of Clifton Taylor, a program specialist of the Kern County Department of Human Services)
Torres Stallings has begun cross-examination. #WestsTrial
Taylor said he's not aware of how many children in the foster system are Black, Hispnanic or white. He doesn't know the percentage of children who are Black or Hispanic who are reunited with their families. #WestsTrial
Across the board it's about 50 percent, he said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings is going over the process when there is a referral to CPS. She asked how much time the parent has until a child is removed from their home. Taylor said once the warrant is signed they do it immediately, there is no time frame. #WestsTrial
Recommendations to the judge will involve multiple social workers, Taylor said. The court social worker gets info from other social workers who investigate the referral. The judge then makes a determination. #WestsTrial
When a child is removed from a home, relatives would be considered for placement of the child. For example, if a boyfriend or husband was involved in an incident, the birth mother might be considered if she lived in another residence and had minimal contact with him. #WestsTrial
Taylor testified he has been to the Jamison Center 10 to 20 times. Under questioning by Torres Stallings, he said younger children are placed out of the center immediately, within hours. He said he believes the baseline for emergency foster care is 4 and under. #WestsTrial
Taylor said he's unaware of rapes and robberies at the Jamison Center. He is aware of assaults that occur there. #WestsTrial
A sidebar has been called following an objection by Smith. #WestsTrial
Attorneys and judge are back. #WestsTrial
In a 14-day notice, a foster family can write something saying they can no longer have the child in their care. Taylor said the child "may or may not" be made aware of the reason why the family wants them to move. #WestsTrial
Once the notice is filed, the parents, child and DHS and birth parents (if still involved) come together to discuss the issues and see what's best for the child, Taylor said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked what recourse the foster family has if they don't get along with the social worker assigned to them. Taylor said they could talk with a supervisor to work out issues, or file a formal complaint. #WestsTrial
He said it would be unusual to have another social worker assigned. #WestsTrial
Part of the foster parent process requires looking for a criminal background, as well as checking them in a system called CACI (Child Abuse Central Index) to see if there is a substantiated allegation of child abuse against them any state. #WestsTrial
Asked if he encounters families who say an adoption isn't working out, Taylor said yes. #WestsTrial
Taylor said DHS contracts with an agency for post-adoption services, they would no longer be directly involved. The family's point of contact would probably be Kern County adoptions, and they would refer the family to the agency. #WestsTrial
Taylor testified he doesn't know if those requests by adoptive parents would be noted somewhere. #WestsTrial
The amount given to adoptive parents for a child changes each year, the rates go up, Taylor said. Children with a disability could get a "special care increment," he said. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked if children with those types of issues aren't as readily adopted. Taylor testified children with "more issues" are less likely to be adopted. Torres Stallings ended questioning. #WestsTrial
Taylor has been excused. #WestsTrial
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Especially when they have difficulty playing the videos which is most of the time.
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Afternoon Testimony
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
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Rosa Espinoza has been called to the stand. She is a manager of Casa Loma Apartments on Lotus Lane. #WestsTrial
There are 8 apartments in each of the 14 buildings, she said. #WestsTrial
Espinoza testified Maria Martinez, Jacqueline West, lived in one of the apartments in 2020. She said she is aware Trezell and Jacqueline West had lived in one of the apartments. #WestsTrial
The Wests moved out of the apartment on Sept. 24, 2020, Espinoza said. #WestsTrial
Smith is displaying photos of the exterior of the apartment complex. #WestsTrial
Espinoz identified a trash enclosure that has two bins inside it. #WestsTrial
After Trezell and Jacqueline West moved the apartment was repainted and the carpet changed, she said. There were no complaints from other tenants, she said. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning and Torres Stallings has begun cross-examination. #WestsTrial
The Wests made a maintenance request to fix the AC in the apartment sometime in September of 2018, Espinoza said. #WestsTrial
Espinoza testified she can't recall if they had maintenance requests in 2020 other than a carbon monoxide issue. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings ended her questioning. Espinoza has been excused. #WestsTrial
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
Rosa Espinoza has been called to the stand. She is a manager of Casa Loma Apartments on Lotus Lane. #WestsTrial
There are 8 apartments in each of the 14 buildings, she said. #WestsTrial
Espinoza testified Maria Martinez, Jacqueline West, lived in one of the apartments in 2020. She said she is aware Trezell and Jacqueline West had lived in one of the apartments. #WestsTrial
The Wests moved out of the apartment on Sept. 24, 2020, Espinoza said. #WestsTrial
Smith is displaying photos of the exterior of the apartment complex. #WestsTrial
Espinoz identified a trash enclosure that has two bins inside it. #WestsTrial
After Trezell and Jacqueline West moved the apartment was repainted and the carpet changed, she said. There were no complaints from other tenants, she said. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning and Torres Stallings has begun cross-examination. #WestsTrial
The Wests made a maintenance request to fix the AC in the apartment sometime in September of 2018, Espinoza said. #WestsTrial
Espinoza testified she can't recall if they had maintenance requests in 2020 other than a carbon monoxide issue. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings ended her questioning. Espinoza has been excused. #WestsTrial
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Afternoon Testimony
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
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Alfredo Bayaca has been called to the stand. He works at the Kern Regional Crime Lab. #WestsTrial
Bayaca said he takes photos and documents crime scenes. #WestsTrial
He is a "criminalist" -- a scientist who uses scientific techniques to test evidence brought to them by law enforcement. #WestsTrial
Bayaca testified they can go to a crime scene or process items -- such as a vehicle -- brought to the crime lab. They have vehicle exam bays. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 23, 2020, Cal City requested the Wests' van be examined at the crime lab, Bayaca said. #WestsTrial
Court is in recess until 9 a.m. tomorrow. #WestsTrial
DAY 10 - April 18, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
Alfredo Bayaca has been called to the stand. He works at the Kern Regional Crime Lab. #WestsTrial
Bayaca said he takes photos and documents crime scenes. #WestsTrial
He is a "criminalist" -- a scientist who uses scientific techniques to test evidence brought to them by law enforcement. #WestsTrial
Bayaca testified they can go to a crime scene or process items -- such as a vehicle -- brought to the crime lab. They have vehicle exam bays. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 23, 2020, Cal City requested the Wests' van be examined at the crime lab, Bayaca said. #WestsTrial
Court is in recess until 9 a.m. tomorrow. #WestsTrial
Did anyone catch the questioning by Stallings about if there were rapes and robberies at the Jamison Center and then Smith objected? Not sure where she was going with that but myself and maybe the jury might be getting tired of her attitude when cross examining witnesses on the stand. Much different than the other defense attorney Nasser.
I see a tweet here I missed. After adoption there is minimal contact with the child and DHS. They are not monitored at this time.
This is surprising to me and probably why we have so many abuse and death investigations after adopting. With heavy caseloads already I understand how DHS can not continue to monitor the families unless an issue comes up.
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Torres Stallings - so what was the point of asking about repair requests?
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APR 18, 2023
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The day began with Detective Paul Hernandez of the Bakersfield Police Department on the stand. Hernandez examined the surveillance video footage taken from a residence across the street from the Wests' home that was used as evidence in the case. When asked if he had viewed the footage, Hernandez answered "Once or twice."
During cross-examination, Alekxia Torres-Stallings, Jaqueline's defense attorney, pointed out multiple vehicles driving around the residence on the day the boys went missing, contradictory to some previous testimonies. She also pointed out lights inside and outside of the West residence turning on and off.
When asked about the vehicles, Hernandez testified that he did not document any of them in his report, even referring to the report while on the stand to be sure. Hernandez also did not note the lights and said he did not recall if he had seen the lights at the time.
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West Trial resumes for 10th day
The trial of Jaqueline and Trezell West, the California City couple accused of murdering their two adopted sons Orrin and Orson West, continued for its 10th day on Tues, April 18.
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During cross-examination, Alekxia Torres-Stallings, Jaqueline's defense attorney, pointed out multiple vehicles driving around the residence on the day the boys went missing, contradictory to some previous testimonies. She also pointed out lights inside and outside of the West residence turning on and off.
When asked about the vehicles, Hernandez testified that he did not document any of them in his report, even referring to the report while on the stand to be sure. Hernandez also did not note the lights and said he did not recall if he had seen the lights at the time.
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I don't know. Maybe pointing out that there weren't any damages - like they didn't remove the carpet, or there wasn't any holes in the walls, that kind of stuff? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ MOO
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APR 18, 2023
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Jurors were shown surveillance footage Tuesday in which murder suspects Trezell and Jacqueline West visited multiple Bakersfield locations on Dec. 19, 2020, after dropping off four of their six children with relatives.
The Wests said they kept their two youngest — Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3 — with them in their van after leaving the Bakersfield home of Trezell West’s parents. Receipts and statements from the couple indicated they stopped at a convenience store, grocery store and McDonald’s before eventually heading back to their California City home.
Bakersfield police Detective Kyle McNabb reviewed footage from those locations. He spotted Trezell and Jacqueline West.
Orrin and Orson, however, were nowhere to be seen, the detective said.
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Cal City boys not seen in footage taken days before reported missing: detective
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Jurors were shown surveillance footage Tuesday in which murder suspects Trezell and Jacqueline West visited multiple Bakersfield locations on Dec. 19, 2020, after…
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The Wests said they kept their two youngest — Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3 — with them in their van after leaving the Bakersfield home of Trezell West’s parents. Receipts and statements from the couple indicated they stopped at a convenience store, grocery store and McDonald’s before eventually heading back to their California City home.
Bakersfield police Detective Kyle McNabb reviewed footage from those locations. He spotted Trezell and Jacqueline West.
Orrin and Orson, however, were nowhere to be seen, the detective said.
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But the Wests had two other children who were foster care, two biological children and two adopted children. With basically zero income, except for the adoption and foster care kids. So, the Wests should have never had those two foster kids.
There was something off on the entire assessment process that did the "speed" placement of those two boys in this household. JMO.
There was something off on the entire assessment process that did the "speed" placement of those two boys in this household. JMO.
Good point but they did replace the carpet and paint the walls but after they moved out.
What is the one thing a person will do if they commit a murder in a home? Replace the carpet and clean and paint the walls.
Although I do not think this type of crime happened in this way. I think Orson and Orrin were slowing starved and dehydrated and beaten.
Will they say they left them alone in the van as they shopped?APR 18, 2023
Jurors were shown surveillance footage Tuesday in which murder suspects Trezell and Jacqueline West visited multiple Bakersfield locations on Dec. 19, 2020, after dropping off four of their six children with relatives.Cal City boys not seen in footage taken days before reported missing: detective
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Jurors were shown surveillance footage Tuesday in which murder suspects Trezell and Jacqueline West visited multiple Bakersfield locations on Dec. 19, 2020, after…
The Wests said they kept their two youngest — Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3 — with them in their van after leaving the Bakersfield home of Trezell West’s parents. Receipts and statements from the couple indicated they stopped at a convenience store, grocery store and McDonald’s before eventually heading back to their California City home.
Bakersfield police Detective Kyle McNabb reviewed footage from those locations. He spotted Trezell and Jacqueline West.
Orrin and Orson, however, were nowhere to be seen, the detective said.
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Cal City boys not seen in footage taken days before reported missing: detective
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Jurors were shown surveillance footage Tuesday in which murder suspects Trezell and Jacqueline West visited multiple Bakersfield locations on Dec. 19, 2020, after…
The Wests said they kept their two youngest — Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3 — with them in their van after leaving the Bakersfield home of Trezell West’s parents. Receipts and statements from the couple indicated they stopped at a convenience store, grocery store and McDonald’s before eventually heading back to their California City home.
Bakersfield police Detective Kyle McNabb reviewed footage from those locations. He spotted Trezell and Jacqueline West.
Orrin and Orson, however, were nowhere to be seen, the detective said.
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