GUILTY CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4), still missing, Calif. City, *Mistrial on counts 4 & 5)* 21 Dec 2020 #8

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Continuing questioning to Hernandez? Still showing photos of gate ( They are hitting home home hard it will be for 2 tiny boys to open.)+++++++++++++++++++
Hernandez says he had trouble opening gate.
Jury viewed a U haul same make and model, out in parking lot, earlier. ( I might have wrote photos )
Date of UHaul contract Sept18th 2020 at South Union
Another contract date for UHaul Sept 19th 2020
Hernandez reviewed portions of security video showing TW
He heard call between one eldest child and parents at Jamison Center on Jan. 5th 2021
Providing transcripts of the call
Playing call. ( YOU HAVE TO HEAR OR READ THE TWEETS ON THIS )+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ask how parents are doing Tw says not so good.
JW gets on says do not worry knows he sees news
Just take care of your brothers.
I hear you are having hard time. We are too.
Are you going to school, school? Are you excited? No.
Some things were said and we have to straighten it out.( Meaning you told on us )+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you do not want to talk to anyone you do not have to.
They are trying to keep us from you.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++( well yeah! you abused them )
They let you keep the phone ?
He says they did not take anything with them to fosters.
Do you want to talk/share anything, NO.
Do not let anyone tell you what to do. You are your
He says him and brothers are fine.
They are crying.
They are playing clip of interview with Wanda West, passing transcripts.
Explaining she did not see kids in back of van asleep , they said they were there but I did not see them.
Smith done.

 

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Cross to Hernandez by Hennessy
You are lead detective? Yes.
You make the decisions on where investigation goes. Yep!
He listened to calls from Wests, Wests do not know
Followed Wests.
Direction of investigation changed course at some point.
Can not say about realtor Robert Dees saying sighting of one boy in Cal City
Info conflicts what boys told CPS Barton.
Sidebar
He had not spoken to Hanson at the time nor knew who he was at the time.
Asking about pest control guy.
Guy threw out a couple different numbers of how many kids he saw at residence says Herenendez
Sidebar
Pest guy said 5-6 kids loaded into van, one carried? Hennessy asks
Hernandez reads transcript that said pest guy said 6 to 7 and then 5 to 6
Smart watch not found
Denied funding to check landfill ( What? )++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No testing on fingerprints of glass.
Manager told him the carpet and pad where replaced.It was his belief also that both were replaced. Manager. confirmed
Hernandez wants info directly from said person.
Maribell resource parent is in background during phone call with parents at Jameson
"Comfort calls" ( I thought they were disturbing not comfort )
He took training how to do interviews like ruse technique.
" False promise" to be avoided so not to solicit false confessions
Can not say they were improper techniques used
Hernandez and Hernandez have different techniques
Going over facts Hernandez did not know during investigation ( Trying to imply he was a bad lead investigator )
Several objections
Sidebar

 

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Were you aware Hanson went to check sex offenders in neighborhood?
Hanson went to 6 , one was not there. Was he aware? No.
He did not follow up on that info.
Talking about Cabarrus ( ? ) family in Texas info.
Objection
You were lead on 2 missing boys in Cal City
Someone made a tip about seeing boys in Texas
Around Christmas
Objection by Smith about testimony on the name of child possibly Orton. ( See tweets )
( Not sure what was allowed with this questioning do not want to write what was not allowed )
June 2022 he corresponded with FBI about the tip in Texas was forwarded to Arlington PD
Himself nor any officer spoke to this female tipster.( probably because they realized the lady had a history of mental illness, IMO )
Stopping trial until Monday at 9 am ( off Friday )
Prosecution will rest on Monday

 

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NO TRIAL THIS FRIDAY
BACK ON MONDAY AT 9 am
PROSECUTION WILL REST MONDAY

 

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Yesterdays smack down of Stallings must have had an affect on her. She only did cross once today.
I hope a partner let her know how she was coming off and not helping her client by her way of questioning witness.
I have no doubt the judge had a few words with her over it.
It was a nice day not hearing her but I thought she would want to pick apart the police investigation but Hennessy did it.

I do not think the defense accomplished that it was a failed investigation. IMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning Testimony, Part 1
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

Alexander Kalaveris has been called to the stand in the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West. #WestsTrial

Alexander Kalaveris is testifying. He lives in Arlington, Texas. He was unaware a neighbor claimed he had Orrin and Orson at his home. #WestsTrial

He said he was unaware a neighbor reported Orrin and Orson were at his Arlington, Texas home. The children in question are his children, not the missing boys, he said. Photos of his family are being passed to the jury. #WestsTrial

Kalaveris said he doesn't know the neighbor who made the report. #WestsTrial

Prosecutor Eric Smith ended his questioning. Timothy Hennessy, lead counsel for Trezell West, has begun cross-examination. Kalaveris said the first time law enforcement from Bakersfield spoke to him was about a week and a half ago. #WestsTrial

Hennessy asked if Kalaveris knows a Victor Rodriguez. Kalaveris said no, and also, upon being asked, said none of his children are named Derek. #WestsTrial

Kalaveris has been excused. #WestsTrial

 

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I was shocked to learn today there was no search of the Bakersfield landfill because funds were denied.
Maybe LE had a belief they were buried somewhere in the desert those moving days with TW going back and forth with the U haul.

See I misspelled Alexander Kalaveris's name wrong. I was way off. He is the man in Arlington that the neighbor called in stating he had a child named Orton. ( I believe I read the woman had mental illness )

I am sorry I can not change some mistakes I made. I tried with a MOD but I was unsure what she wanted me to do.
Please forgive me for mistakes in hearing and writing testimony. Tweets should help with that.
There has to be a way to fix my posts.

Regarding the missing watch, I bet it disappeared around the time of the changing of the phones.MOO.

I put the phone call list for the 4 moving days all in one post to make it easier to see.

Curious about them bringing a U haul to the parking lot for the jury to view. What was that about?

Does anyone know anything about the comment about TW and JW driving around in an RV going job to job" One of the officers says this to JW during an interview.

She makes the " It is an unfortunate that the boys are missing but I did not do it" comment when the officer presses her.

JW's explanation about the kids saying the 2 boys were gone was she told them to pretend they were gone because of the crying. This is almost laughable, IMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning Testimony, Part 2
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

BPD Detective John Dunn has been called to the stand. #WestsTrial

The West trial is now in its 17th day. #WestsTrial

On March 11, 2021, Dunn went to an address on Oakdale Drive to assist with a search warrant. #WestsTrial

He searched the yard and garage area. There was a detached garage, Dunn said. #WestsTrial

Dunn took photos during the search warrant which Smith is going to display. #WestsTrial

Photos of the detached garage and home are being shown to the jury. #WestsTrial

The residence and garage belong to Maria Flores, Dunn said. #WestsTrial

Smith ended his questioning. Alekxia Torres Stallings asked if he was surveilling the Wests' van at the residence. He said he doesn't believe so. She ended her questioning and Dunn was excused. #WestsTrial

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning Testimony, Part 3
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

Detective Jesse Perez has been recalled to the stand. #WestsTrial

Perez previously testified to the Facebook search warrant returns for Jacqueline West. He said video chats on Facebook provide general information. He reviewed records between West and Perla Martinez. Conversations were recorded. #WestsTrial

Smith is going to display the conversation. A video chat occurred Dec. 17, 2020, Perez said. It happened about 1:17 p.m. Another one followed on the same date, a few minutes apart #WestsTrial

Two more video chats occurred on the following days, Perez said. One happened Dec. 22, 2020, at about noon. Another took place the same day at 2:39 p.m. #WestsTrial

Smith ended his questioning. #WestsTrial

Under cross-examination by Torres Stallings, Perez said he reviewed all the data between Jacqueline West and Martinez provided by Facebook. She's handing Perez some papers to look over and see if he recognizes them. #WestsTrial

Perez said they appear to be items he reviewed. Smith objected when Torres Stallings sought to have them moved into evidence and a sidebar has been called. #WestsTrial

They're back and Perez has been excused. The exhibit was not entered. #WestsTrial

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning Testimony, Part 4
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

BPD Sgt. Chad Garrett has been called to the stand. #WestsTrial

Garrett reviewed call detail records and Google accounts in this case. #WestsTrial

Garrett has identified files he reviewed and the information is being projected on a screen. The documents show account change history. #WestsTrial

The email account is for Jacqueline West. Another account change form has been shown for Trezell West. #WestsTrial

The Google information also shows location history, Garrett said. One of the Google accounts had more than 200 deleted location history files, he said. #WestsTrial

The deletion history being shown to the jury is for Jacqueline West, Garrett said.

Between September and December, the Wests had 5 different phone numbers between them, Garrett said. He reviewed call detail records for those numbers. #WestsTrial

Correction, the deleted location history was from Trezell West's email. #WestsTrial

Call detail records are being displayed. #WestsTrial

A call detail analysis report created by Garrett is now being viewed. #WestsTrial

One phone was changed on Dec. 5, 2020. Another was also changed on that date. #WestsTrial

Phones associated with Maria Martinez, Jacqueline West's mother, were also reviewed. #WestsTrial

Garrett is explaining the software used to examine the records, and what different things on the records stand for. #WestsTrial

On Dec. 5, Trezell made a 32-second call to a phone the owner of which was unknown. Later, Trezell called Jacqueline for a 78-second call. The phones connected to different towers, Garrett said, indicating the separation between them. #WestsTrial

These calls were on Dec. 5, 2020. #WestsTrial

At 12:44 p.m. that day Trezell made a phone call to Jacqueline, a 130 second phone call. #WestsTrial

The next call, made at 1:23 p.m., was an outgoing call from Trezell to Jaccqueline. It was a 74-second call, and the devices connected to the same tower, Garrett said. #WestsTrial

A phone number for Maria Martinez, Jacqueline West's mother, got an incoming call from Jacqueline West at 1:31 p.m., Garrett said. #WestsTrial

The next call, still from Dec. 5, was at 1:35 p.m. from Trezell to Jacqueline. It's a 52-second call, Garrett said. The phones connected to different towers. #WestsTrial

A number associated with Maria Martinez made a call to a number the owner of which isn't listed on the document. Then came a call at 2:07 p.m. from Trezell to Jacqueline, 22-second call. Two different towers #WestsTrial

The next call, both devices connected to the same tower during the transaction, Garrett said. The call from Trezell to Jacqueline didn't have any duration of call, Garrett said. #WestsTrial

Maria Martinez called Jacqueline at 2:41 p.m., then at 3:03 p.m., Trezell called Jacqueline. At 3:30 p.m., Trezell called Jacqueline, a 27-second call. Both phones connected to the same tower. #WestsTrial

The next record shows Trezell's phone is in cal City and makes a call at 5:15 p.m., then receives a call three minutes later, Garrett said. At 8:09 p.m., a phone associated with Maria Martinez calls an 877 number. #WestsTrial

Trezell and Jacqueline communicated with each other numerous times between noon and 3:30 p.m. that daylater Trezell's phone was in Cal City, Garrett said. The court is in recess for 15 minutes. #WestsTrial

The trial is back in session with Victor Nasser, an attorney for Trezell West, cross-examining Sgt. Chad Garrett. #WestsTrial

Nasser asked about deleting records and Google's proprietary data, then ended. Alekxia Torres Stallings, lead counsel for Jacqueline West, is asking about old and new numbers for the Wests. #WestsTrial

Garrett said he's aware the Wests' had several phones seized during the investigation and that they used the number associated with Maria Martinez afterward. Garrett has been excused. #WestsTrial

 

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I really hated that "comfort call" parents had with eldest bio boy. You could hear how TW and JW were coaching the child to not talk to anyone and how they had to clear up what was said. It was the "secret".
It was a disgusting display of control and manipulation. IMO!

Wish everyone could have heard this phone call.

 

[PommyMommy]

Morning Testimony, Part 5
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

BPD Detective Thomas Hernandez, lead investigator of the West case, has been recalled to the stand. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified he interviewed 70 to 80 people during the investigation. He documented the interviews. He interviewed Jacqueline on July 1, 2021. #WestsTrial

Prosecutor Eric Smith is going to play the interview. #WestsTrial

Smith said the interview is 1 hour, 23 minutes. He started playing it. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline West enters the BPD interview room, called the "blue room." She wearing a blue T-shirt with NASA in white letters across the front. #WestsTrial

Again, this interview took place on July 1, 2020. West has an attorney with her. Asked by detectives, West says there is nothing new she's learned that could help the investigation. #WestsTrial

West says Orrin and Orson's biological family knew where they lived at the apartment complex in Bakersfield. She says they would come over and knock and she would not answer. #WestsTrial

An aunt named "TeeTee" watched the children for a week, Jacqueline West says. She says she doesn't know which side of the boys' biological family TeeTee is on. She said she had a contact for TeeTee on her phone but she threw the phone away because it was broken. #WestsTrial

Detective Hernandez asks if there is anything she can provide to identify who TeeTee is, butshe says she doesn't have any info. #WestsTrial

Hernandez asks about closing on the Cal City house, who was present beside the Realtor. She says just the Realtor, her and Trezell and the kids. #WestsTrial

Hernandez asks about getting couches purchased for the home, having pest control brought in. He asks how they paid, who delivered the couches and conducted the pest control. He wants to know everyone who entered the house. #WestsTrial

"Super sweet but then super grumpy," Jacqueline West says with a laugh when asked to describe the personalities of Orrin and Orson. She says they cried often. #WestsTrial

It's possible they were "slightly delayed" Jacqueline says when asked if the boys have disabilities. Orrin didn't like speaking to us, she says. He would go without talking for a while, she says. Same for Orson. #WestsTrial

Were they potty-trained? "Yes and no," Jacqueline says. They wore diapers if on the previous night they wet themselves, she says. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says during some of the searches they found diapers. He says they found diapers in searches out in fields and other areas where they heard the boys might be located. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says Orson wore diapers about once a week. Orrin sometimes wore diapers but hadn't recently. #WestsTrial

On Dec. 19, 2020, Jacqueline West says, they dropped the other kids off with Trezell's grandmother, then went to a grocery store and Dollar General. She says Orrin and Orson were sleeping in the back row of seats in the van. #WestsTrial

Hernandez asks where exactly the boys were seated, and she drew their location on a piece of paper. #WestsTrial

Asked if they returned to Bakersfield with the kids any time before Dec. 19, Jacqueline West says yes, on Dec. 5. Her moms's friend had shelving they were going to pick up but it didn't fit in the van, she says. #WestsTrial

Asked if anyone else helped them move to Cal City, Jacqueline says it was only her and Trezell. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says they didn't stop in any stores on Dec. 5. #WestsTrial

The children were wearing black Nike shoes the day they went missing, Jacqueline says. #WestsTrial

Hernandez ask about sleeping arrangements at the Cal City house, and Jacqueline drew where each child slept. #WestsTrial

Another detective in the room is asking about the pest control guy again, how they found him, how often he was supposed to spray, if the children were there when he was at the house. #WestsTrial

Back to Aunt TeetTee, Jacqueline says she took Orrin and Orson for a week in June 2020. Jacqueline says it was only supposed to be for the weekend, but she kept the kids a week. Jacqueline says she thought about calling police, but didn't because they were returned. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says TeeTee would just show up. She says no other biological family showed up, just TeeTee. #WestsTrial

The detectives have left the interview room. It's just Jacqueline and her attorney in the room. #WestsTrial

The detectives have returned. Hernandez is asking about the diapers again. Jacqueline says Orrin and Orson and another of their adopted children sometimes needed them. #WestsTrial

Orrin and Orson wore the same size Luvs diapers, same size clothing, Jacqueline says. #WestsTrial

Asked about Dec. 21, 2020, the day the boys went missing, Jacqueline says she was wrapping gifts. #WestsTrial

The video has been paused and court is in recess until 1:30 p.m. #WestsTrial

The jury will return to the courtroom at 1:30 p.m., but Judge Charles R. Brehmer said the audience will not be let in until 1:45. He said there is something the jury will be shown outside the presence of others. #WestsTrial

 

[PommyMommy]

Afternoon Testimony, Part 1
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

(Continued testimony of BPD Detective Thomas Hernandez, lead investigator)

The trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West is back in session with an interview being played that was held July 1, 2021 at BPD headquarters. Jacqueline West is being interviewed by Detective Thomas Hernandez and another detective. #WestsTrial

The jury was brought in 15 minutes before the audience. Judge Charles R. Brehmer said the jury examined the make and model of the U-Haul the Wests used when moving from Bakersfield to Cal City. #WestsTrial

The move happened Sept. 18-20, 2020, Jacqueline West says in the interview. #WestsTrial

Hernandez asks her to describe the move, what she did each day. Lots of cleaning and packing, Jacqueline says. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says he's trying to figure out if she stayed with the kids, were Orrin and Orson present when the U-Haul was dropped off, her and Trezell's and the kids' movements from the 18-20th -- the days of the move. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says she's not good on dates, has trouble saying where the kids were when the U-Haul was taken back. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says Trezell takes the U-Haul back. She says Wanda West, Trezell's mother-- who was visiting during the move -- may have gone with him. #WestsTrial

Another detective asks if she stayed at home in Cal City the last time the U-Haul was taken. Jacqueline says the last trip they made involved items taken in the van. Who was in the van? Jacqueline can't seem to remember. "It's not that difficult?" a detective says. #WestsTrial

Wanda West has previously testified she never saw Orrin and Orson on the days during the move when she was in Cal City. She testified she thought the boys were with Jacqueline West's mother. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline West, however, says in the interview all 6 of her children -- including Orrin and Orson -- were at the Cal City house. #WestsTrial

"Everybody is a suspect," Hernandez tells her. Her, Trezell, Wanda West, everybody. He asks when she got her new phone. Jacqueline West says on her birthday. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says he looked through "a ton of your stuff" and asks if there is some video or photo taken from when they moved to when the kids were reported missing. Jacqueline says she tried to transfer her photos from her old phone to the new one. #WestsTrial

She says she couldn't transfer the folder. She says she would rarely send photos to people. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline West says when she fostered the boys she was told not to share photos of them. Hernandez tells her she adopted the boys a year ago. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says there is "a mountain of stuff that needs to be answered." #WestsTrial

He says the kids were gone before they were reported. He references what her other children have said about Orrin and Orson not being seen for weeks. He says there is all this info he's gathered "and it leads back to you and Trezell." #WestsTrial

Jacqueline says what happened was very unfortunate but not their fault. Hernandez says he doesn't see how a 10 year old is going to come up with a story that doesn't differentiate from the details after telling it 4 times. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says something happened to those kids before they were reported missing, he knows it for a fact, and he wants to know what happened. He says maybe it was an accident. He tells her to tell him the truth. #WestsTrial

Hernandez says he knows for a fact on Dec. 19, 2020, Orrin and Orson were not in the van when she dropped the other children off at Wanda West's house. Jacqueline says the other kids didn't like Orrin and Orson, so she told them to pretend like they weren't there. #WestsTrial

"There is no way out except for honesty," Herndandez says. Both he and another detective say there are a number of things she has said, on today and other days, that don't match up. #WestsTrial

The unnamed detective tells her at this time everything is still pointing at her and Trezell. The video ends. #WestsTrial

Prosecutor Eric Smith is questioning Hernandez on the stand. Hernandez said 35 warrants were authored by him and other investigators in this case. #WestsTrial

Searches were conducted of the area around California City. There were several big searches. One was at Silver Saddle Ranch, which has manmade ponds and storage sheds. #WestsTrial

Desert areas were searched in the northern part of the town near Randsburg Road. A few different searches were held there, he said. They found no evidence of Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified he wrote the warrants for the Google records for Trezell and Jacqueline West. He found no photos, videos or anything regarding Orrin or Orson after July 2020. #WestsTrial

There was nothing from September through December 2020 about the boys, he said. #WestsTrial

Hernandez is testifying to reports showing call records. #WestsTrial

The reports have been admitted as evidence and will be displayed. #WestsTrial

The messages are between Trezell and Wanda West. Trezell write a bunch of 'hahas" with a photo of his electric bill on Dec. 14, 2020. #WestsTrial

On Dec. 7, there are messages between Trezell and his brother Jamal, something to do with toys. #WestsTrial

A message from Jacqueline to Trezell occurred on Dec. 5 at 2:04 p.m. The message was an address on Oakdale Drive. #WestsTrial

On Dec. 16, 2020 Wanda West sends a message to Trezell and Jacqueline asking for a family photo of everyone. #WestsTrial

The next message was not sent. Then on Dec. 21, 2020, Trezell calls 911 and makes a call to another number that lasts about 4 minutes. #WestsTrial

Hernandez said he found adoption information on Trezell's phone about their adopted children. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified to photos of the Aspen Avenue residence and its interior. There were photos of the home and its inside on Trezell's phone, but no photos of Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial

Hernandez said he looked at the gate at the Wests' Cal City home. #WestsTrial

There was a difference to it last month from what he saw in 2021. There were some new bolts on the northern gate, he said. #WestsTrial

Hernandez said he took photos of the gate. A 15-minute break has been called, trial will resume around 3:05 p.m. #WestsTrial

 

[PommyMommy]

Afternoon Testimony, Part 2
DAY SEVENTEEN - May 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews

(Continued testimony of BPD Detective Thomas Hernandez, lead investigator)

Back in session. Hernandez said it took a "reasonable amount of force" to move the Wests' gate. It left a divot in the dirt as he pulled it. #WestsTrial

Prosecutor Eric Smith has shown Hernandez a copy of the rental agreement from U-Haul form when the Wests' moved in September 2020. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified he has reviewed portions of surveillance footage. #WestsTrial

On Jan. 5, 2021, Hernandez listened to a phone call between the Wests and their eldest child. Smith is going to play a recording of the call. #WestsTrial

Jacqueline West tells her son not to worry, they're looking for the boys. The boy says he's about to start school. He speaks quietly, mostly saying "yeah." "We're trying really really hard to get you guys back," Jacqueline says. #WestsTrial

The Wests tell the boy he doesn't have to talk to anybody if he doesn't want to. Jacqueline says she knows people are asking him questions and says he doesn't have to answer them. #WestsTrial

"Don't let anybody tell you that you have to do anything, OK?" Jacqueline West says. "OK," be boy says. The Wests' voices tremble during the call, and Trezell West is wiping at his eyes in the courtroom while listening. #WestsTrial

The call ended. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified he questioned Wanda West about whether she saw Orrin and Orson when she was in the Wests' van on Dec. 19, 2020. #WestsTrial

That interview is going to be played. #WestsTrial

Wanda West says she went with the Wests that day to the credit union. She says she didn't see Orrin or Orson, the Wests told her they were sleeping in the back of the van, but she didn't see them. #WestsTrial

Trezell and Jacqueline West were arrested March 1, 2022, Hernandez said. #WestsTrial

Smith ended his questioning. Timothy Hennessy has begun cross-examination. #WestsTrial

Hennessy asked if the theory of the case changed at some point. He asked when Hernandez spoke to the Realtor, who placed 1 of the boys in Cal City. Hennessy said that conflicts with the interviews the boys gave a social worker. #WestsTrial

Judge Brehmer has called a sidebar. #WestsTrial

They're back, Hennessy resumed questioning. Asked how many children the pest control employee saw in Cal City home, Hernandez said he gave several figures. Another sidebar has been called after Smith said he doesn't think the pest control guy was subject to recall. #WestsTrial

They're back again. Hernandez said he spoke with the pest control guy in July 2021. He said the man gave a couple different numbers as to how many children he saw. Hennessy noted, & Hernandez confirmed, the man said he saw "6 to 7" then "5 to 6" children at the home. #WestsTrial

There is a number in the case for which an owner was not found, Hernandez said. #WestsTrial

Hernandez testified he was present when the Bakersfield apartment where the Wests lived was searched. Nothing relevant was found. He said the Dumpster was not forensically analyzed, but a landfill was searched. #WestsTrial

Smudges on the sliding glass door at the Wests' Cal City home were not tested, Hernandez said. #WestsTrial

Hernandez said the first resource parent for the children was present when he listened in on the call between the eldest child and the Wests. #WestsTrial

Asked by Hennessy, the detective said he has taken training on interviewing and interrogating people, and knows how to build a rapport, use a ruse. #WestsTrial

Asked if there are things to avoid, Hernandez said on certain occasions, yes, he supposes. Like telling someone if you tell me what happened I'll set you free. #WestsTrial

Hernandez said he and another detective Hennessy referred to have different styles, but he wouldn't say improper techniques were used. #WestsTrial

Hernandez agreed there is trust between detectives that they'll perform their jobs well. Hennessy is referring to certain people not being asked about security footage, certain things not being noted in reports. #WestsTrial

Smith has requested a sidebar. #WestsTrial

They're back. Hernandez said it was his understanding that Cal City police had contacted sex offenders. Not all of them were contacted, he said. He was unaware that at 1 place the sex offender who was listed as living there was no longer there. #WestsTrial

Hennessy is asking about the boys being reported seen in Arlington, Texas. Hernandez said he was made aware of the tip. He said the person providing the tip said one of the boys said his name was Orrin. #WestsTrial

Smith said this is all hearsay and he wants it stricken from the record. Judge Brehmer said the info can only be considered in regard to the actions or choices Hernandez made in the investigation, not the truth of the matter. #WestsTrial

In June of 2022 he corresponded with an FBI agent about the tip, Hernandez said. It was forwarded to Arlington PD. Hernandez said he never spoke to the woman who gave the tip or of any officer who spoke with her. #WestsTrial

Court is in recess for the day. Hernandez will resume testifying Monday and the prosecution will rest, then Torres Stallings will give her opening statement. She reserved her opening until after the prosecution rests its case. #WestsTrial

 

[PommyMommy]

MAY 4, 2023

West Trial Day 17: Arlington man says his children were mistaken for Orrin and Orson

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Until a week-and-a-half ago, Alexander Kalaveris didn’t know a neighbor had reported seeing Orrin and Orson West, missing since 2020 and presumed dead, at h…

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Until a week-and-a-half ago, Alexander Kalaveris didn’t know a neighbor had reported seeing Orrin and Orson West, missing since 2020 and presumed dead, at his Arlington, Texas home.

The neighbor was mistaken, Kalaveris said Thursday. The children in question are his own.

[...]

Later Thursday, Bakersfield police Detective Thomas Hernandez, the lead investigator in the case, was recalled to the stand. He said a review of the Wests’ cellphones showed no photos or videos of Orrin and Orson from September through December 2020.

During an 83-minute interview played for the jury, Hernandez questioning Jacqueline West at the Bakersfield Police Department in July 2021 ...

But she [JW] was adamant all six of her children were at the California City home when they moved from Sept. 18-20, 2020. That conflicts with testimony given by Wanda West, Trezell’s mother, who visited at that time and said she never saw Orrin or Orson. Wanda West testified she thought they were staying with Jacqueline’s mother.

[...]

Hernandez will resume testifying Monday morning, after which Alekxia Torres Stallings, lead attorney for Jacqueline West, will present her opening statement. Torres Stallings reserved her opening until after the prosecution rests its case. Closing arguments are expected to be held in about two weeks.

 

[PommyMommy]

MAY 4, 2023

Jaqueline West tells detectives about 'paternal aunt' of Orrin, Orson

The jury hears from an Arlington man who says his children were mistaken for Orrin and Orson, hears recorded interview of Jacqueline West.

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In an interview recorded on July 1, 2020, Jacqueline told Bakersfield police that occasionally she would allow Orrin and Orson to be watched by their aunt “TeeTee”. ...

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She said “TeeTee” would watch the boys for her sometimes, but after one occasion when “TeeTee” kept the boys longer than they agreed on, Jacqueline said she decided to limit the biological families’ interaction.

Jacqueline told detectives that “TeeTee” was a relative of one of the biological fathers, but she wasn’t sure which one. Prosecutor Eric Smith has previously called both men to testify in this trial. Each was asked if they knew a relative named “TeeTee”, even by nickname. Both man had no idea who that person might be.

Jacqueline also told detectives she changed her phone number because the family kept trying to contact her after they adopted Orrin and Orson. She said when she changed phones, she lost all the pictures she had of the two boys.

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[cuffem]

MAY 4, 2023

West Trial Day 17: Arlington man says his children were mistaken for Orrin and Orson

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — Until a week-and-a-half ago, Alexander Kalaveris didn’t know a neighbor had reported seeing Orrin and Orson West, missing since 2020 and presumed dead, at h…

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Until a week-and-a-half ago, Alexander Kalaveris didn’t know a neighbor had reported seeing Orrin and Orson West, missing since 2020 and presumed dead, at his Arlington, Texas home.

The neighbor was mistaken, Kalaveris said Thursday. The children in question are his own.

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Later Thursday, Bakersfield police Detective Thomas Hernandez, the lead investigator in the case, was recalled to the stand. He said a review of the Wests’ cellphones showed no photos or videos of Orrin and Orson from September through December 2020.

During an 83-minute interview played for the jury, Hernandez questioning Jacqueline West at the Bakersfield Police Department in July 2021 ...

But she [JW] was adamant all six of her children were at the California City home when they moved from Sept. 18-20, 2020. That conflicts with testimony given by Wanda West, Trezell’s mother, who visited at that time and said she never saw Orrin or Orson. Wanda West testified she thought they were staying with Jacqueline’s mother.

[...]

Hernandez will resume testifying Monday morning, after which Alekxia Torres Stallings, lead attorney for Jacqueline West, will present her opening statement. Torres Stallings reserved her opening until after the prosecution rests its case. Closing arguments are expected to be held in about two weeks.

The discrepancy about JW saying the boys were in Cal City during the move and Wanda not seeing them in the van nor the home as unloading happened and Wanda saying she thought they were with grandma Martinez was a big hit on the defense.



Someone should make a list of clues in this case. Also a list of what Stallings will try to use to explain all the evidence against the Wests.

Hope Dateline or 48 hours covers this case, more people should know about Orrin and Orson and what happened to them. I know the other 2 or 3 popular trials are important but this case and trial has had little media attention outside of Kern County.

 

[PommyMommy]

The discrepancy about JW saying the boys were in Cal City during the move and Wanda not seeing them in the van nor the home as unloading happened and Wanda saying she thought they were with grandma Martinez was a big hit on the defense.

Someone should make a list of clues in this case.Also a list of what Stallings will try to use to explain all the evidence against the Wests.

Yes, it's all starting to come together now. They've more than proven that JW is a liar. I can't believe she told them SHE bought the robes. And who is TeeTee? Nobody knows!

Thanks so much for all the updates, cuffem. Especially the phone call list. Something tells me that one's going to come in handy. MOO

 

[Knox]

MAY 4, 2023

Jaqueline West tells detectives about 'paternal aunt' of Orrin, Orson

The jury hears from an Arlington man who says his children were mistaken for Orrin and Orson, hears recorded interview of Jacqueline West.

www.turnto23.com

[...]

In an interview recorded on July 1, 2020, Jacqueline told Bakersfield police that occasionally she would allow Orrin and Orson to be watched by their aunt “TeeTee”. ...

[...]

She said “TeeTee” would watch the boys for her sometimes, but after one occasion when “TeeTee” kept the boys longer than they agreed on, Jacqueline said she decided to limit the biological families’ interaction.

Jacqueline told detectives that “TeeTee” was a relative of one of the biological fathers, but she wasn’t sure which one. Prosecutor Eric Smith has previously called both men to testify in this trial. Each was asked if they knew a relative named “TeeTee”, even by nickname. Both man had no idea who that person might be.

Jacqueline also told detectives she changed her phone number because the family kept trying to contact her after they adopted Orrin and Orson. She said when she changed phones, she lost all the pictures she had of the two boys.

[...]

Well she sealed her fate on that one. What was the point of the "TeeTee" lie to begin with?

 

[cuffem]

MAY 4, 2023

Jaqueline West tells detectives about 'paternal aunt' of Orrin, Orson

The jury hears from an Arlington man who says his children were mistaken for Orrin and Orson, hears recorded interview of Jacqueline West.

www.turnto23.com

[...]

In an interview recorded on July 1, 2020, Jacqueline told Bakersfield police that occasionally she would allow Orrin and Orson to be watched by their aunt “TeeTee”. ...

[...]

She said “TeeTee” would watch the boys for her sometimes, but after one occasion when “TeeTee” kept the boys longer than they agreed on, Jacqueline said she decided to limit the biological families’ interaction.

Jacqueline told detectives that “TeeTee” was a relative of one of the biological fathers, but she wasn’t sure which one. Prosecutor Eric Smith has previously called both men to testify in this trial. Each was asked if they knew a relative named “TeeTee”, even by nickname. Both man had no idea who that person might be.

Jacqueline also told detectives she changed her phone number because the family kept trying to contact her after they adopted Orrin and Orson. She said when she changed phones, she lost all the pictures she had of the two boys.

[...]

So TT is not real. Made up like Zanny Nanny by Casey Anthony. She new she could not blame a real person so tried to make one up they would not be able to find or verify. Trying to leave a doubt in the minds of the jury as to a relative abduction.
And she of of course could not retrieve any info or phone number for TT. Who gives children to a person they hardly know or know where they are taking the kids?