CA - Dr. William Ayres for child molestation, San Mateo, 2007 #1

[kbl8201]

how long does it take to evaluate a pedophile and determine he's not nuts?

this is absurd

 

[OnbekendeBron]

how long does it take to evaluate a pedophile and determine he's not nuts?

this is absurd

Like OTHER SHRINKS are EVER going to make a finding that goes against whatever it is that he wants... The interview probably went like this:

Doctors: "So.... what do you want us to write?"
ayres: "Just delay it for a bit. I'll let you know next month."

 

[believe09]

Like OTHER SHRINKS are EVER going to make a finding that goes against whatever it is that he wants... The interview probably went like this:

Doctors: "So.... what do you want us to write?"
ayres: "Just delay it for a bit. I'll let you know next month."

Dont be offended-I had to laugh.

I think if we paged back some we will see we predicted that there would be a stand off which would require a tie breaker.

lucky guy that he gets to sit back and enjoy another month.

 

[OnbekendeBron]

Dont be offended-I had to laugh.

I think if we paged back some we will see we predicted that there would be a stand off which would require a tie breaker.

lucky guy that he gets to sit back and enjoy another month.

I have a very dry sense of humor. That was meant to be pretty darned humorous.

We were toying with the idea of "what happens next" here: http://williamayreswatch.blogspot.com/2010/03/bad-luck-of-little-johnny-mcd.html

And even way back during the trial, we wondered if the kernel of that defense was on ayres' mind:
http://williamayreswatch.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-ayres-san-mateos-vinnie-gigante.html

 

[believe09]

Lets take a moment to review then-It appears that Ayres defense is going to compel a mental incompetency claim on his behalf.

So will he take it? Does he get the idea that he does not deserve to be in society and he is going to be locked up in a ward? I cant even imagine this pompous man walking the halls with his fellow mental incompetents. What if some of them are victims of his? I mean, they are going to have to check that out, right?

 

[OnbekendeBron]

Lets take a moment to review then-It appears that Ayres defense is going to compel a mental incompetency claim on his behalf.

So will he take it? Does he get the idea that he does not deserve to be in society and he is going to be locked up in a ward? I cant even imagine this pompous man walking the halls with his fellow mental incompetents. What if some of them are victims of his? I mean, they are going to have to check that out, right?

According to one of the court personnel who talked to us today (I assume a court clerk) who was familiar with this case, what normally happens after a finding of INCOMPETENT, is that they let him go home for awhile (he's out on bail) until they have ANOTHER evaluation to figure out where the best (most cushy?) place for him to be treated is, and then they commit him until he's "better" at which point, they can then refile for a trial if they're still interested in prosecuting.

If he's found COMPETENT, then they either set a trial date, or they set a date to set a trial date.

The game is to wait for his victims to pull out, either because of stress, poor health from stress over all of the delays, or to be unavailable due to suicide. (Morbid, perhaps, but I DO think that enters into the thought process.)

 

[believe09]

According to one of the court personnel who talked to us today (I assume a court clerk) who was familiar with this case, what normally happens after a finding of INCOMPETENT, is that they let him go home for awhile (he's out on bail) until they have ANOTHER evaluation to figure out where the best (most cushy?) place for him to be treated is, and then they commit him until he's "better" at which point, they can then refile for a trial if they're still interested in prosecuting.

If he's found COMPETENT, then they either set a trial date, or they set a date to set a trial date.

The game is to wait for his victims to pull out, either because of stress, poor health from stress over all of the delays, or to be unavailable due to suicide. (Morbid, perhaps, but I DO think that enters into the thought process.)

So is it the prosecutors or the defense who wants the case to go away???

Geesh.

I would think that the DA would want to be quite aggressive in their pursuit of Ayres given how badly they did the first time around-I mean the sheer fact that they let him get away with implying his physicals were in anyway shape or form PERMISSABLE in a child psychiatrist is CRIMINAL in my mind. It was a big boo boo. The person handling the case for the state the first time made a BIG BIG boo boo.

CA has a chance at a do-over that might get a small amount of justice for these LONG suffering victims. They cannot fail, they cannot be mediocre-they have to win this time. Or they look like incompetents themselves.

They have been handed this man on a silver platter and his defense has been debunked. Well, San Mateo-do your job.

 

[kbl8201]

california getting justice for victims lol.

sorry

 

[OnbekendeBron]

Personally, I think that the prosecutor wants to win, but the DA and the County do NOT. There will be quite a bit of egg on their face if he's found guilty, because they've had opportunities to stop him in the past, and they haven't. They'll also have egg on their face if they lose. I think they'd like for him to quietly go away.

An interesting note:
Way back in October of 2009, McDougall had several of ayres' medical records sealed. It now appears that those were psychiatric evaluations of some sort, and the doctors who are evaluating ayres' competency now have requested these reports.

SO: to me, it looks like McDougall was planning the incompetence gambit way back then, and then he waited until mid March (just before the scheduled start of re-trial) to drop the bomb. (And now the reports that ayres probably paid for in the first place are being sent to the competency evaluators to "help them" with their process.)

Here's the full detail: http://williamayreswatch.blogspot.com/2010/04/ayres-competency-hearing-yet-more.html

 

[believe09]

Personally, I think that the prosecutor wants to win, but the DA and the County do NOT. There will be quite a bit of egg on their face if he's found guilty, because they've had opportunities to stop him in the past, and they haven't. They'll also have egg on their face if they lose. I think they'd like for him to quietly go away.

An interesting note:
Way back in October of 2009, McDougall had several of ayres' medical records sealed. It now appears that those were psychiatric evaluations of some sort, and the doctors who are evaluating ayres' competency now have requested these reports.

SO: to me, it looks like McDougall was planning the incompetence gambit way back then, and then he waited until mid March (just before the scheduled start of re-trial) to drop the bomb. (And now the reports that ayres probably paid for in the first place are being sent to the competency evaluators to "help them" with their process.)

Here's the full detail: http://williamayreswatch.blogspot.com/2010/04/ayres-competency-hearing-yet-more.html

Let me share something that might seem intuitive but I have seen a few times now-Letting Ayres fall through the cracks again will not solve the County's problem. The only thing that will undo, to some degree, the mess that was created by repeatedly dropping the ball is to NOT drop the ball this time.

They are going to win a measure of something because there is no defense for Ayres' physical assaults on the children. It has gone poof. People can try and say that he is a great guy and a great psychiatrist but at the end of the day there was not one single reason he was handling those children's genitals other than for his own satisfaction.

The same can be held true for Rife and the multiple other examples we have listed out on this thread.

Once you take away that justification, he is simply Chester the Molester. Because in his own words and with his own mouth he conceeded to handling those children.

So, he will either be found competent to stand trial or not competent to stand trial. It is very, very difficult to be found not competent here in MA. I do not know what the threshold is in CA-but he knew enough about committing crimes to develop a cover up. Whether or not he has an organic process that will impede him from adequately participating in his own defense now will be interesting to find out.

I wish I could hire a PI to follow him around and take pictures of him doing crossword puzzles, attending the opera and ogling young boys. Cause I would think that this would sink the competency issue. JMO.

 

[OnbekendeBron]

A bit more information on why they need an extension:

http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_14980009?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

And note:
Also in the article, quotes from prosecutor McKowan prepare us for the inevitable:

"If ayres is found incompetent[...] that could mean a stay at a state mental hospital, or either inpatient or outpatient treatment locally." (Judge's discretion)

Which means that probably ayres will just go home to his lovely wife, and she can drive him around to his weekly chat with a therapist, and to pick up boys wherever they go to pick them up now.

 

[believe09]

A bit more information on why they need an extension:

http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_14980009?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

And note:
Also in the article, quotes from prosecutor McKowan prepare us for the inevitable:

"If ayres is found incompetent[...] that could mean a stay at a state mental hospital, or either inpatient or outpatient treatment locally." (Judge's discretion)

Which means that probably ayres will just go home to his lovely wife, and she can drive him around to his weekly chat with a therapist, and to pick up boys wherever they go to pick them up now.

Thanks On. Your article mentions that Ayres' attorney alluded to an EVENT that brings his competency into question. He has to be alluding to a stroke, a heart attack where there was loss of oxygen or perhaps Ayres was struck by lightening.

This event has to have created a situation where Ayres cannot participate in his defense, cannot make rational decisions regarding his defense and cannot make head nor tails of what is going on around him. Even if he is judged incompetent, I would think that the nature of the charges would make him a danger to society.

They have to determine him incompetent because he perjured himself. He stated that he was trained to give physical exams. There is now a pile of information indicating otherwise and this time, him stating it will not make it so.

If Ayres had an event that has caused the above, then clearly someone has been given a POA of some kind to run his life and affairs, correct? After all he is not capable of decisionmaking with his attorney.....at least that is the angle I see developing. Because anything less than that would indicate some kind of competency. JMO.

I would think that the prosecutor has determined who is signing the checks and paying the bills in the Ayres house-who picks out the cars, and the opera and the ice cream.

Here is my fear. That after a ruling of competency is completed and Ayres is found to be competent, then his attorney take a stab at Competency to Testify. And if there is some kind of disability that will prevent him from testifying on his own behalf......

 

[Belinda]

This whole thing is getting absolutely ludicrous. I am so sick of all the "defense" angles in these cases while the victims are left to suffer. Where are the loopholes for the victims? There never are any.

I am feeling really down about so-called justice today.

 

[OnbekendeBron]

This event has to have created a situation where Ayres cannot participate in his defense, cannot make rational decisions regarding his defense and cannot make head nor tails of what is going on around him.

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Here is my fear. That after a ruling of competency is completed and Ayres is found to be competent, then his attorney take a stab at Competency to Testify. And if there is some kind of disability that will prevent him from testifying on his own behalf......

Well, my understanding is that you pretty much have to be a slobbering moron to be found not competent to assist in your own defense, like you say, which I don't think is the case, since he's been seen about town in the recent past.

There is no requirement for him to testify on his own behalf. In fact, in the first trial we were stunned when we heard he was going to. They say that the jury will often believe that an innocent person is justified in NOT testifying when they have been wrongly accused, and that it's risky to take the stand because then you open yourself up to cross. Frankly, ayres did WORSE under his own attorney's line of questioning than he did the prosecutor's. The only problem is, you'd have to understand enough about pedophilia to "get" that his lawyer was ineptly leading ayres right through a minefield of admissions. To bad the jury was not able to be informed enough about pedophiles.

But the real problem in this whole thing is becoming VERY clear with this evaluation... EVERYBODY who is ANYBODY in the county is tied professionally or politically to this guy: The evaluating shrinks, county councilmen, children's advocacy agencies, THE District Attorney and even the judges. There's no way the guy is going to get convicted of anything. The best thing that could happen (for the county) would be for them to quietly let him file incompetence paperwork and them release him to an outpatient treatment, and have the whole thing fade away. Then all that's left are the victims, who are just a bunch of opportunistic liars and witch hunters.

 

[OnbekendeBron]

This whole thing is getting absolutely ludicrous. I am so sick of all the "defense" angles in these cases while the victims are left to suffer. Where are the loopholes for the victims? There never are any.

I am feeling really down about so-called justice today.

Yes. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I used to be a huge patriot because of the fantastic system that our founding fathers set up. But now, every time I'm called for jury duty (and I'm called EVERY year) I'm going to take the opportunity to warn all of the prospective jurors about how the lawyers and judges manipulate reality to the point that truth is irrelevant, and only red tape counts for anything, and that you should just get a gut feel for guilt or innocence and stick with it, like a pit-bull even in the face of all evidence otherwise, because the odds are that someone manipulated the truth with technicalities.

I doubt I will ever serve on a jury again.

 

[Mercyneal]

Ayres case mentioned in Delaware Journal story about pedophile doctors.

"Delaware Crime: Pedophile Doctors Not New, Not Rare"

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100502/NEWS01/5020364/Pedophile-doctors-not-new-not-rare

Also mentioned are Mel Levine; the infamous Connecticut endocrinologist George Reardon and the Blankenburg twins.

 

[believe09]

I want to double thank that post Mercy-now we are getting some where...

 

[Mercyneal]

Yeah, it was satisfying seeing Ayres in the rogues' gallery.

 

[Mercyneal]

Here's a bit of bad news. One of the in-statute victims from the first trial, Steve S, will NOT be testifying in the second trial. Steve, who was in a prison fire camp, lost his job there when he took time out to testify in the first trial. Apparently he doesn't want to risk having that happen again. Also, one can see why he wouldn't want to go through all that trouble of testifying and then have the DA not get a conviction.. The DA should have brought in Ayres' training at Yale and Judge Baker up top at the first trial, and showed that it was not part of his training to give physicals to boys (make that boys only) in therapy. The jurors in the first trial apparently thought it was a routine part of his training.. Ayres' colleagues at Yale and at Judge Baker say he's telling a whopper. Too bad they weren't called to testify in the first trial. We could have had a conviction.

 

[believe09]

So if the victims start to drop out, will the DA still move forward?