CA - Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 in Isla Vista, Near UC Santa Barbara, #1

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  • #821
While I do understand and empathisize with your situation, Katy.....ER's diagnosis is not the same as your brother's. Your brother's schizophrenia had a very typical type of onset (acute) at a very typical age (22).
ER's type of mental illness presented itself at a very young age (5) and his family members were very aware of it. I am not so much as blaming them but they did have lots of time between age 5 up until 22 to take appropriate actions.
Did they fail, well....that could be debated. Blaming will never solve what we are experiencing as a society.
I'm sure we'll be hearing lots of stories to come.
And I bet there will be lots of lawsuits to boot.

BBM

True, but WHAT appropriate actions are available? That is my point. Especially with a very young child, what the heck do you do with them?

ER was particularly difficult because he had his wits about him and could con concerned people. For example the cops who came along to check up. and probably the counselors too.
 
  • #822
I'd like to know how much info the Rs gave The Capri dorm, re: "very disturbed" ER's longterm mental illness/personality disorder, prior to signing the lease for the apt/dorm room. JMO

Also ...

And now, who's going to rent that room, that apartment ... ever?
 
  • #823
BBM He was not afraid to walk into a college class. On many occasions he made sure he was the last one to walk into the class so that everyone could STOP what they were doing to admire his expensive clothes and the greatness that was in front of them.

And the only thing I remember about the whole seating arrangement issue was that he was stuck at a table with the "cool" kids and he was happy about that. But, when they didn't bow down to his godliness... they were his enemy.

Respectfully bolded by me. True. But my point is he couldn't just throw on a t-shirt and wash his face and head to class and feel he might be admired. It was a big deal, he had to prepare. His hair, his clothes, etc...

I quoted the seating arrangement situation in an earlier post, today. In it he mentioned being in a 'panic' and then was satisfied when the kids were 'cool'.
 
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  • #825
It wouldn't surprise me if he did frame his roommate with the candles.
Although reportedly the guy did plead guilty to petty theft, so who knows.

I just can't imagine him stealing candles (of all things) and then putting them on his bed in plain sight :confused:
IMO ~ He might have pled guilty because he was kind of afraid of ER ?
and he still had to live with him. I definitely think ER put/planted them there.
 
  • #826
I just can't imagine him stealing candles (of all things) and then putting them on his bed in plain sight :confused:
IMO ~ He might have pled guilty because he was kind of afraid of ER ?
and he still had to live with him. I definitely think ER put/planted them there.

My thoughts as well. Good to see you D :seeya:
 
  • #827
bbm. Thanks for that info - I haven't read much of his manifesto yet, so didn't know that. To be prescribed Risperidone means he was identified as seriously mentally ill by the psychiatrist. Risperidone is a seriously strong med for psychosis, amongst other things. It is not lightly prescribed!

I agree with what other posters have said earlier - surely the treating mental health professionals bear some responsibility here?? I'm in Australia, so the law may well be very different to the US, but here a person can be 'sectioned' (involuntarily placed into a mental hospital) if they are a danger to themselves or others. He clearly fit that criteria, judging by his writings........

Very alarming that he slipped through the net when I see him as someone who was leaving very visible signs along the way about how mentally unwell he was. He needed serious intervention. And it didn't happen. JMO

I agree he shouldn't have been given a choice at this point. I am NOT fond of medicating without due cause.
 
  • #828
I just can't imagine him stealing candles (of all things) and then putting them on his bed in plain sight :confused:
IMO ~ He might have pled guilty because he was kind of afraid of ER ?
and he still had to live with him. I definitely think ER put/planted them there.

Yes, three $5.50 candles! He stole them and left them sitting openly on his bed?? Right!! I think he may have pled guilty only because a public defender told him that was the best thing to do. He had no way to prove he didn't take them and it was ER's words (which were so easily believed by many) over his!

Looking back, maybe they wished they would have tested those candles for fingerprints. I wonder if they still could?

ETA: Wow! My math sucked here. More like six dollars and some change.
 
  • #829
I am also wondering if the timing of this grand exit of his didn't have a more mundane force driving it than ER would like the world to believe. He had stopped going to class. He didn't see the point of graduating just to embark on a mediocre career, and of course, no closer to having sex than he had been in college. Maybe the folks actually were onto his game. Maybe he was warned that they wouldn't continue to support him after graduation, or if he failed to graduate. As someone who refused to take any responsibility for himself, who felt he was above working for a living, maybe he felt he'd rather check out than grow up. And, of course, he had to do it in a way that made him seem powerful.

Just guessing and wondering. No links to provide.
 
  • #830
I just can't imagine him stealing candles (of all things) and then putting them on his bed in plain sight :confused:
IMO ~ He might have pled guilty because he was kind of afraid of ER ?
and he still had to live with him. I definitely think ER put/planted them there.

I am surprised he continued to live there. If my kid had been 'arrested' by his college roomie for stealing candles, and went to jail for the night, he would have been banned from returning to that same apt. I feel so bad for him that he had to return there.
 
  • #831
What do people feel could have been done?

He didn't present himself like that crazed gunman in Colorado. He appeared normal to police who are not mental health professionals.

It appears the family tried to provide help for him. But as an adult, you cannot force treatment or meds on someone.

He kept his murderous thoughts to himself until right before he was going to act.

He was a very unpleasant person but not everyone who is so narcissistic and self absorbed is a killer.

Bill Gates considers himself to have Aspergers. Probably Einstein as well.

I do not know what else could have legally been done

His videos were posted last month and made threats (promises) of a massacre, and his friend James was privy to his murderous fantasies and that's why he pulled away from him.
 
  • #832
I am glad thus far finding anything?

And when I first starting his writings I thought this does not seem like a diary but a piece written like in several recent sittings.

Then I thought well he ruminates so maybe these memories are embedded in his memory - there are the typical thining patterns related to the illiness?
 
  • #833
I just can't imagine him stealing candles (of all things) and then putting them on his bed in plain sight :confused:
IMO ~ He might have pled guilty because he was kind of afraid of ER ?
and he still had to live with him. I definitely think ER put/planted them there.

I agree. He could very well have been framed. What did he need these candles for to begin with?
 
  • #834
I'm sorry to bring up this topic, but ...

I wonder if ER ever had a pet?
 
  • #835
BBM

True, but WHAT appropriate actions are available? That is my point. Especially with a very young child, what the heck do you do with them?

ER was particularly difficult because he had his wits about him and could con concerned people. For example the cops who came along to check up. and probably the counselors too.

Right....what appropriate actions is the question.

I can't claim to have the answers but I do know this about me: I am very hyper-focused about my responsibilities to society in regards parenting. Maybe that's a tad odd, maybe not?

ER exhibited some really weird and dangerous behavior from a very young age. He was all-consuming to a parent and yet, the irony is that it seemed he was left dangling on his own in the end. There was no real care going on and he was not taking medications although he had been prescribed some in the past. He didnt suddenly spiral---it was always there, festering and exhibiting itself frequently and in many ways.

Personally, any child of mine that poses threatening actions/demeanor like in the Asperger meltdown video that a WS poster put up here is off to intensive counseling (and perhaps living in a clinical setting) and probably going on meds. Professional mental evaluations, treatment plans, and interventions, STAT. I wouldn't expose myself, spouse, and siblings to a child that screams incessantly, breaks things, cries and rants, and makes no distinction between cause and effect and right from wrong (especially if they haven't learned this by pre-puberty). I would not be in denial; I'd be proactive. I know this would need to be done while this child is young.

And I also know that no matter how wonderful it may seem to relish in the joy of getting rid of an unbalanced, non-coping young adult when they turned 18 and was an "adult" (and let's admit, it's true)......I wouldn't want a person that sick living out amongst the unsuspecting general population (such as roommates at college). It is not fair, it is not right and I think that parent who documented historical actions and psychological evaluations would help ensure the courts that would not allow it. But you would've had to have been the type of parent that was vested, involved, pro-active, committed, resolved and fully aware of what they were dealing with. ER's parents were divorced, father remarried, and lived in Hollywood. Maybe they gave a fairly good effort, maybe.....maybe?

I'm sure we'll hear more.

What's the solution? It's probably multi-faceted. But with any child that exhibits symptoms of a mental illness---I'd keep them away from violent video games.

moo
 
  • #836
I am surprised he continued to live there. If my kid had been 'arrested' by his college roomie for stealing candles, and went to jail for the night, he would have been banned from returning to that same apt. I feel so bad for him that he had to return there.

It's not that easy. I believe the family lived in San Jose and it's not easy to get moved because all the rooms are full mid-semester. Even ER had to stick it out with two of the roommates (of many) he hated and he comes from money. I am not sure if the family of the victim had the means to move him into a private apartment? I think if they did... they would have.
 
  • #837
As for the candles, possibly ER wasn't getting along with the roommate, as his ability to get along with ANYONE seemed terribly impaired, and thought framing him and calling police might remove him from the apartment. From reading, he also seemed racist to me...thinking anyone who wasn't 'white' was beneath him....why should they have blonde girls and not him.
 
  • #838
As for the candles, possibly ER wasn't getting along with the roommate, as his ability to get along with ANYONE seemed terribly impaired, and thought framing him and calling police might remove him from the apartment. From reading, he also seemed racist to me...thinking anyone who wasn't 'white' was beneath him....why should they have blonde girls and not him.

Oh, he was very racist! Although he was half-Asian himself... he hated fully Asian men. He really hated Black and Hispanic men. Ya'll have read it, so I don't have to repeat the horrible things he said about them... especially if he found out that had slept with tall, hot blondes.
 
  • #839
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SA, a family friend, said their son had been seeing therapists since the age of eight, including virtually “every day” while at high school.

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Mr A said Rodger, who was believed to have Asperger’s but had not been diagnosed, was “reserved to a daunting degree” and “fundamentally withdrawn”, but seemed to have “no affinity to guns whatsoever”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-murder-house-mates-in-killing-chamber.html

This makes sense to me ^^...Even IF he had been Dx'ed with Asperger's when younger, IMO, it was not his only or primary mental illness.
 
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