CA - Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 in Isla Vista, Near UC Santa Barbara, #1

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  • #1,061
First off, he killed twice as many men as women.

Secondly, there is a thin line between love and hate. ER worshipped women. Us, men, need to teach our sons that a woman is not the answer to our problems (and I do place a lot of the blame on ER's absentee father).

Thirdly, fathers have been warning their daughters about the sexual intentions of men since the beginning of time. If mothers want to help us, it will just make our job easier. :)


Really? So your answer to predatory men is to teach women to change THEIR lives - not teach your sons and yourselves to control your "intentions"?



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  • #1,062
First off, he killed twice as many men as women.

Secondly, there is a thin line between love and hate. ER worshipped women. Us, men, need to teach our sons that a woman is not the answer to our problems (and I do place a lot of the blame on ER's absentee father).

Thirdly, fathers have been warning their daughters about the sexual intentions of men since the beginning of time. If mothers want to help us, it will just make our job easier. :)


His entire motive, in his own words, was based on his hatred for women; women and men are dead because this guy hated women so much that he wanted to kill as many as possible. The final numbers fell as they did because no one let him in that sorority. But people of both sexes died for his motive. A motive that has considerable support among a sizable population of men.


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  • #1,063
Evil exists everywhere, not just by men who are on forums.

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People who post on forums do also exist in the material world.


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  • #1,064
[FONT=&quot]Who would not be anxious at a big red carpet deal!! Think about it, however, what is it really. It’s all about quick, superficial social interactions with one after the other. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What do these interactions entail? Social skills. Social norms about how to appropriately interact with others – eye contact, shake hands, quick hugs, little embraces, How are you? Nice to see you etc. Communicating with another. (communicating) .[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What is the hallmark of the illness. An inability to understand and grasp what appropriate communication and behaviors are and the capacity to engage in those behaviors.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In addition, if you notice dad, when placed in the position ( all three of them standing still next to an individual) engaging, Dad when probably asked is this your son, Dad quickly, and dismissively dealt with the issue with his hand. That was information for the individual ( again body language) who asked the question,( non-verbally) this is my son move on- don’t engage..[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Kind of like if a couple had just been arguing and someone approaches and say something like oh how long have you two ben married, this must be the love of your life , this must your lovely wife, etc. the body language (none of us need to be overtly told , we sense it we understand the non verbals) and the conversation (marriage/your wife) was not a good "topic “right now, and we would change the topic.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]All of us have been able to “sense” nonverbal, subtle communications and change the subject, drop it etc[/FONT]
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Dad knew that it could be high risk ( escalation /scene) if his son was placed in a situation wherein he might have to, appropriately handle: How old are you, are you in college, you have a girlfriend, what are you studying (all typical social engagement stuff).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]what is first thing you would do , if you were at the red carpet with your child meeting people. First thing….. I want you meet my x, this is Mary my daughter etc. You will notice throughout both mom and dad (cause they got themselves educated on the illness), LET him be background and distant –they know that is comforting for the Autistic– they know this is a very difficult environ for him, AND that if pushed,(introduced over and over and being tasked with engaging in social skills appropriately) is overwehem,ing, and could result in a variety of negative behaviors , saying something totally inappropriate, break down in tears, explode etc.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] What behaviors and skill set is required When meeting someone new? Eye contact, appropriate affect, smile etc. Thus far anyone seen a picture of him smiling – chances are if you look at dozens of pictures of AS sufferers few might smiling – blunted affect a flatness or dullness, Another hallmark. The autistic cannot, has not, and will never have the capacity to grasp and understand those concepts- hence the isolation. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If anyone is attracted to someone there is an increase in anxiety when approaching. Some people let call them “Players” , “pick up artists" whatever can be quite good at it. . They have mastered the skill set needed to be good at engaging with someone for amorous or sexual needs. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]......... other post" [/FONT][FONT=&quot]step-mom making a huge scene about him walking into her and dad's home without knocking.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We know, and understand, those expectations. Knocking on a door is about respecting ones right to “privacy” ,an individual . suffering with A can’t grasp that concept ---- “privacy”.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What is the hallmark of the illness? An inability to “understand” an expectation that we behave appropriately as far a social norms and behaviors go. All of us "know" one does not just open the front door of someone’s house and enter.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Post regarding the sites The Player Supreme Show, etc.: We’re all here (WS) ,because we have interest in this case. And we know mms is not going to be much of help! And this thread directly addresses ER.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot].According to the article...... “including RSDfreetour and which rails against the feminization of men and gives tips on how to pick up women” .( feminization-WAY too big of a concept form someone suffering with A) . THAT (tips) was his visiting those sites, what /how do they all get girls)? He asks that question relentlessly in both his writings and videos.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What do you feel when your "frustrated? That is what their lives consist of a constant state of frustration, becasue others around them are typically not "OK" or comfortable with the only ways they know how to behave and interact [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This analogy was often helpful when working with family systems trying it understand a loved on:. If you look at the illness like being in a foreign country, with a language you do not speak or understand, – that is what living is like for , an individual suffering wiht A.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Just can’t get it.[/FONT]
 
  • #1,065
Everyone knows someone who is overly sensitive. These people take something the rest of us would consider a small slight that rolls off our shoulders, or is barely even registered, and they turn it into a huge deal. I am not saying ER wasn't bullied in school and ignored by girls. He probably was to some extent. But he seemed to take every little slight throughout his life and twist it into something monumental. To the point that he records much of it, in detail, in his writings 10+ years later.

I think ER had an unfortunate mix of mental disorders going on. Just like there are a few (comparatively) very unfortunate people who have multiple, severe, seemingly unrelated physical issues at the same time.

It sounds like his parents started trying to help him at a pretty young age. They didn't have their heads in the sand about his mental issues. Maybe he was just too complicated mentally to be helped,.
 
  • #1,066
His entire motive, in his own words, was based on his hatred for women; women and men are dead because this guy hated women so much that he wanted to kill as many as possible. The final numbers fell as they did because no one let him in that sorority. But people of both sexes died for his motive. A motive that has considerable support among a sizable population of men.


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I read his manifesto. He was a hateful person. He hated women and he hated sexually successfully men [modsnip].
 
  • #1,067
Astaire said that Elliot Rodger was never diagnosed with Asperger's (his family "suspected he was on the spectrum"), had no friends, and was very shy. Astaire told the Times, "He was fundamentally withdrawn. The guy on the video was much more confident. That is a guy I never met."

http://laist.com/2014/05/26/alarming_email_prompted_elliot_rodg.php

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  • #1,068
I find it ironic that the only person who seemed to enforce (or tried to) proper boundaries was the step-mother ... a star of one of those moronic housewives of XYZ or whatever they're called. JMO
 
  • #1,069
Well, the step mother likely didn't have rose colored glasses on when it came to him.
 
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If he actually did go to a bunch of therapists since he was a child, why wasn't he diagnosed?

I wondered why a therapist would call ones mother. He was an adult and the first thought that entered my mind was what is a therapist doing calling people, what about Dr/patient confidentiality? idk
 
  • #1,072
Well, the step mother likely didn't have rose colored glasses on when it came to him.

The step-mother actually attempted to limit his video game playing. That seemed to be the main reason he didn't look forward to going to his father's house. It doesn't appear, from his reading his manifesto, that his biological parents did much to back her up.
 
  • #1,073
I wondered why a therapist would call ones mother. He was an adult and the first thought that entered my mind was what is a therapist doing calling people, what about Dr/patient confidentiality? idk

In CA, therapist actually has a duty to inform if patient is a threat to himself or others. So confidentiality wouldn't apply if patient expresses any suicidal or homicidal thoughts.
 
  • #1,074
Sorry for my ignorance, but can you explain CAD and CAS?? And if you don't mind sharing, what state do you live in? TIA

CAD= Canadian Dollar

CAS= Children's Aide Society

My previous post was in reference to Ontario, Canada.
 
  • #1,075
In CA, therapist actually has a duty to inform if patient is a threat to himself or others. So confidentiality wouldn't apply if patient expresses any suicidal or homicidal thoughts.

Makes sense. What I also wanted to say was that the therapist should have called LE, not his mother. IIRC the mother called LE. jmo
 
  • #1,076
Makes sense. What I also wanted to say was that the therapist should have called LE, not his mother. IIRC the mother called LE. jmo

I think it was the other way around. At least the first time police did a welfare check on him. Mother called the therapist, therapist called LE.

"Sheriff's deputies visited Rodger three weeks before the attack after his troublesome Internet posts had spurred relatives to contact a social worker, who contacted police. Rodger was able to convince the officers he was not a threat."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/santa-barbara-massacre-mental-illness-and-access-to-guns/
 
  • #1,077
I wondered why a therapist would call ones mother. He was an adult and the first thought that entered my mind was what is a therapist doing calling people, what about Dr/patient confidentiality? idk

As far as we know, the therapist didn't breach confidentiality when s/he called the mother asking if she had received/read the emailed manifesto drivel.

But ... obviously the therapist knew the SOB was serious and knew to be concerned and knew something should be (or should have been) done then (and probably a long time ago).

The ticking time-bomb they all knew finally exploded!

All JMO.
 
  • #1,078
The LA Times spoke to a family friend who said Chin Rodger's therapist told her to check her email just after 9 p.m, "Have you gotten Elliot’s email? I think you should see it." After seeing the email, Rodger then "immediately checked Elliot’s YouTube channel, where he had posted bizarre videos about how alienated he felt, particularly from women" (transcript of the "Retribution" video) and called her ex-husband to alert him. The friend, Simon Astaire, told the Times that both Chin Rodger and Peter Rodger rushed to Isla Vista, with Chin Rodger "call[ing] either 911 or the sheriff directly, and arranged to meet with authorities when they arrived."

http://laist.com/2014/05/26/alarming_email_prompted_elliot_rodg.php
 
  • #1,079
If he actually did go to a bunch of therapists since he was a child, why wasn't he diagnosed?

Great question. Which leads me to my opinion he was a psychopath. Has reportedly been seeing Therapists since age 8. Yet we have not heard one single diagnosis. Open to changing my mind as fact becomes available. If the Family chooses to divulge. I just have a gut feeling he had a personality disorder. IMO
 
  • #1,080
As far as we know, the therapist didn't breach confidentiality when s/he called the mother asking if she had received/read the emailed manifesto drivel.

But ... obviously the therapist knew the SOB was serious and knew to be concerned and knew something should be (or should have been) done then (and probably a long time ago).

The ticking time-bomb they all knew finally exploded!

All JMO.

At that time, therapist would actually have a duty to report. They have 24 hours per CA law to report this to the police, since manifesto contained direct plans to murder people.
 
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