CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025

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  • #341
If he is currently on probation, which I think I read that he is, would he be required to cooperate with the law enforcement as a condition of his probation?
It seems like it should be, but I'd guess that unless "cooperating with any law enforcement investigation" was specifically a condition of his probation, he wouldn't have to.

Although for the life of me, I can't imagine any parent willingly choosing to not cooperate with LE in an investigation into the disappearance of my helpless, innocent baby. But here we are. :confused:
 
  • #342
The grandmother said in the interview that Emmanuel was the mother's pride and joy, and she'd waited years to have a baby boy of her own. Maybe dad was jealous?
 
  • #343
It seems like it should be, but I'd guess that unless "cooperating with any law enforcement investigation" was specifically a condition of his probation, he wouldn't have to.

Although for the life of me, I can't imagine any parent willingly choosing to not cooperate with LE in an investigation into the disappearance of my helpless, innocent baby. But here we are. :confused:
Yeah, I can't imagine anything LE could ask me to do that I would refuse in this situation. If I wanted my child to be found...

MOO
 
  • #344
I know it’s been discussed elsewhere but here is the first MSM article I’ve found that talks about Jake Haro’s previous conviction

from the Orange County Register:

Riverside County Superior Court records show that Jake Mitchell Haro was convicted in June 2023 of felony willful child cruelty, dating back to a 2018 arrest in Hemet. Haro was sentenced to 180 days in jail and 48 months of probation, according to court records. A prison sentence of 72 months was suspended.


A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 2 on an alleged probation violation.
 
  • #345
So the husband told her to say no to the lie detector test until they had a lawyer?
While in this case it probably does add to the suspicion here, I just want to come out generally in defense of people who refuse lie detector tests or ask for a lawyer.

Lawyers will always tell you that even if you’re innocent, you should never talk to the police without a lawyer. I’ve thought to myself that the only exception to that for me would be if my loved one had gone missing. Then my priority is finding them, not self-preservation. If it were my child, I would talk to the police without hesitation or delay, but that said, I would probably have someone also find an attorney for me ASAP.

In a missing person’s case, early hours are critical. In order to most effectively direct resources to finding my loved one, I am going to want them to not spend any time investigating me, for the simple reason that I know it wasn’t me, and such time could be put to better use. If it were a missing child, I don’t want any delay in having the FBI called in. Therefore, I need to ensure I do everything I can to not devote any greater time than necessary to eliminating me as a suspect or assessing my credibility. At the outset, my innocence is information I have that the police doesn’t have, and that information needs to be conveyed as quickly as possible.

Having an attorney can facilitate that, and offers multiple other benefits. It’s easy for statements to be misconstrued — and I can only assume the likelihood of that goes up in such a traumatic situation. An attorney present during an interview is far more likely to recognize when wires are being crossed between an interviewer and interviewee. That’s the benefit when I am giving information to the police.

There is also a benefit when the police is giving information to me. A professional relationship can often facilitate communication. They’ll know the best ways to phrase questions to get information from law enforcement. They’ll know best how to interpret answers from law enforcement. And if any advocating is needed, like to get the FBI called in, they’re an advocate by profession, and also likely to have connections to people in law enforcement to help overcome any obstacles.

And, of course, they’ll look out for you. If I’m going through a traumatic situation, I need someone to tell me if LE is asking me for something not intended to further the investigation — if it’s for paperwork or anything that can wait, it needs to wait. If it’s something someone else can provide other than me, then I need to have that other person provide it. And of course, they’ll help to ensure you avoid the double trauma of both losing your child and being wrongfully convicted. Because that happens.

With respect to a lie detector test in a missing child case, if the person is innocent — will passing a lie detector test enable law enforcement to move on to other theories quicker? Will failing a lie detector test risk law enforcement getting stuck investigating me when I’m innocent, derailing the investigation? A lawyer will be best able to advise. My understanding is that lawyers generally don’t recommend taking them. I personally have no confidence that a lie detector test will be properly calibrated to account for my emotions during such a traumatic situation. Nor do I have any confidence I’ll interpret questions in the manner intended, again potentially skewing results.
 
  • #346
While in this case it probably does add to the suspicion here, I just want to come out generally in defense of people who refuse lie detector tests or ask for a lawyer.

Lawyers will always tell you that even if you’re innocent, you should never talk to the police without a lawyer. I’ve thought to myself that the only exception to that for me would be if my loved one had gone missing. Then my priority is finding them, not self-preservation. If it were my child, I would talk to the police without hesitation or delay, but that said, I would probably have someone also find an attorney for me ASAP.

In a missing person’s case, early hours are critical. In order to most effectively direct resources to finding my loved one, I am going to want them to not spend any time investigating me, for the simple reason that I know it wasn’t me, and such time could be put to better use. If it were a missing child, I don’t want any delay in having the FBI called in. Therefore, I need to ensure I do everything I can to not devote any greater time than necessary to eliminating me as a suspect or assessing my credibility. At the outset, my innocence is information I have that the police doesn’t have, and that information needs to be conveyed as quickly as possible.

Having an attorney can facilitate that, and offers multiple other benefits. It’s easy for statements to be misconstrued — and I can only assume the likelihood of that goes up in such a traumatic situation. An attorney present during an interview is far more likely to recognize when wires are being crossed between an interviewer and interviewee. That’s the benefit when I am giving information to the police.

There is also a benefit when the police is giving information to me. A professional relationship can often facilitate communication. They’ll know the best ways to phrase questions to get information from law enforcement. They’ll know best how to interpret answers from law enforcement. And if any advocating is needed, like to get the FBI called in, they’re an advocate by profession, and also likely to have connections to people in law enforcement to help overcome any obstacles.

And, of course, they’ll look out for you. If I’m going through a traumatic situation, I need someone to tell me if LE is asking me for something not intended to further the investigation — if it’s for paperwork or anything that can wait, it needs to wait. If it’s something someone else can provide other than me, then I need to have that other person provide it. And of course, they’ll help to ensure you avoid the double trauma of both losing your child and being wrongfully convicted. Because that happens.

With respect to a lie detector test in a missing child case, if the person is innocent — will passing a lie detector test enable law enforcement to move on to other theories quicker? Will failing a lie detector test risk law enforcement getting stuck investigating me when I’m innocent, derailing the investigation? A lawyer will be best able to advise. My understanding is that lawyers generally don’t recommend taking them. I personally have no confidence that a lie detector test will be properly calibrated to account for my emotions during such a traumatic situation. Nor do I have any confidence I’ll interpret questions in the manner intended, again potentially skewing results.
I generally agree with everything here. My father was a police officer and he said never to talk to the police without a lawyer. And I would normally NEVER take a polygraph test.

But as a parent, I think if my child was missing all that would go out the window. For me, at least. I know it's not smart, but I imagine I would be so desperate to have my kid back that I'd do anything, answer any question, if I knew I had done nothing wrong.
 
  • #347
I know it’s been discussed elsewhere but here is the first MSM article I’ve found that talks about Jake Haro’s previous conviction

from the Orange County Register:

Riverside County Superior Court records show that Jake Mitchell Haro was convicted in June 2023 of felony willful child cruelty, dating back to a 2018 arrest in Hemet. Haro was sentenced to 180 days in jail and 48 months of probation, according to court records. A prison sentence of 72 months was suspended.


A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 2 on an alleged probation violation.
Horrible. And this was before Emmanuel was born, which means R H knew about it.
 
  • #348
Along with you, I suspect this could well be the truth.

However, IMO, once the worst has happened, your child is gone, (one way or the other), that would be the breaking point at which you would be in complete desperation and tell the police everything.

EVERYTHING.

She’s safe now if she tells LE if she has in fact been a victim of domestic violence. I would hope that she would want her baby to be safe now, as well.

JMO
I was thinking the very same thing after watching the husband and wife in videos. Now is her time to go for it and get away from him and protect her other children.
 
  • #349
The grandmother said in the interview that Emmanuel was the mother's pride and joy, and she'd waited years to have a baby boy of her own. Maybe dad was jealous?
It wouldn't be the first time.
 
  • #350
LE need to look at the parking lot and store(S) footage from the day of the 'abduction' , and the days leading up to it.

And talk to store employees.
If the mom ran into one of the stores there, what did she say, etc. ?
Had she or her husband shopped there before and did employees recognize them enough to remember that they came into the store before, with baby Emmanuel and the rest of the family.
All small details that could be important.
Hopefully LE are already on it.
Imo.

She described someone saying something -- was it a male or female voice --from this Fox News Affiliate :


“I took him out of the car seat and laid him on the chair. I had his diapers right here, and someone said, ‘Hola.’ I couldn’t even turn. I don’t remember nothing,” Haro said.
Investigators say Emmanuel was last seen wearing a black Nike onesie.
He weighs about 21 pounds, is 24 inches tall, has brown hair and brown eyes and is cross-eyed.
 
  • #351
LE need to look at the parking lot and store(S) footage from the day of the 'abduction' , and the days leading up to it.

And talk to store employees.
If the mom ran into one of the stores there, what did she say, etc. ?
Had she or her husband shopped there before and did employees recognize them enough to remember that they came into the store before, with baby Emmanuel and the rest of the family.
All small details that could be important.
Hopefully LE are already on it.
Imo.

She described someone saying something -- was it a male or female voice --from this Fox News Affiliate :


“I took him out of the car seat and laid him on the chair. I had his diapers right here, and someone said, ‘Hola.’ I couldn’t even turn. I don’t remember nothing,” Haro said.
Investigators say Emmanuel was last seen wearing a black Nike onesie.

He weighs about 21 pounds, is 24 inches tall, has brown hair and brown eyes and is cross-eyed.
And dash cams
 
  • #352
It’s Interesting. As she’s telling the story, her husband had his eyes on her like a hawk. With the exception of one brief pinch between the eyes. To force tears out perhaps?

I think it’s pretty clear here. We will find out exactly what happened soon enough.

However, this is still incredibly sad nonetheless. And far too common of a story these days.
It's very reminiscent of the interview with Trezell & Jacqueline West - in the Orrin & Orson West case. Most of us here here knew right away they were not telling the truth. It's not sheerly a matter of the parent exhibiting the expected emotions (tears). It's what they say, the words they choose, along with the instinct of the listener. IMO, we're highly tuned in here at WS.

Hopefully one of them grows a conscience and tells the truth soon. But if they've both obtained an attorney, I have zero expectations for that.
 
  • #353
This case just gets more and more confusing. Can you please share where the bolded info is coming from?

The 2 yr old being removed from the home came from an interview with the grandmother. The link has been posted here but here it is again:
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(she makes that comment at 2:26 in the interview)
Thanks I heard it last night, per my post and was looking back to find this.
 
  • #354
Good read here:

Red Flags:

  1. The Convenient Witness Elimination: Rebecca Haro claims she was knocked unconscious, eliminating herself as a witness to the actual abduction. Perpetrators often claim they were incapacitated—unable to identify their child's attacker.
  2. The Vague Attacker: Despite being conscious enough to hear "Hola," she does not describe the attacker. Staged abduction cases feature similarly phantom-like assailants.
  3. The Physical Evidence: A black eye serves as visible "proof" of an attack. Several cases I have observed include self-inflicted injuries to support the abduction narrative.
The point I disagree with from personal experience is the “vague attacker” one. I was robbed once, and my description of the robbers that I gave to the police immediately after the attack was as vague as it gets. I remember what the one said to me (“just give me your purse”). There were two of them. They were men. I identified their race. One was taller, one was shorter. Any height estimate I could give was a very wide range. Same with age. They were dressed casually, dark colored clothes. When asked by police if I’d recognize them, I said no.

And I wasn’t physically attacked. And one of them was right next to me, whispering into my ear as my recollection goes. The other was in front of me. I heard them coming and stopped and turned around, so I even watched them approach. Meaning, I got about as good a look at them as one can get.

Factors that contribute to this, both in my case and generally:
1) Trauma affecting memory
2) While they were physically close, the interaction was relatively brief
3) My goal during the interaction was NOT to be a good witness. I did not want to give them any reason at all to kill me.
4) At the best of times, it is very difficult to describe and recognize someone. I know that trying to find someone in a bar who you have seen 6 photos of on a dating app is actually very hard. Trying to remember what someone that you spoke to was wearing is very difficult if nothing about the outfit gave you reason to note it. And it’s well known that eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, especially when identifying someone of a different race.

But going to the first point made above, my statement to police was essentially: “Yes, I got a good look at them. No, I couldn’t identify them or describe them with any particularly.” So in that respect, my statement was certainly different from the first point made above. So on the one hand, I think it’s unlikely someone would make up a story that involved them having a good look at the person, but not offer any valuable description. But on the other hand, had I gone on the news, what are the odds I’d be reading Facebook comments about myself saying my story is so unbelievable, because how could I have gotten a good look at them but not have a description of them or be able to identify them?

Not to mention that incapacitating someone is indeed a strategy often used by perpetrators. And such incapacitation can cause injuries. (And here, no one thinks her injury was self-inflicted for the story.)

So while those may be common elements of a fake story, I question how helpful they are in distinguishing a fake story from a real one, because I think they’re likely to be common in many true stories, too.
 
  • #355
I saw this case on another group and as soon as the news video came on with the mother, something just didn't chime true. Seems police are doubting too.


Authorities said they cannot rule out foul play in the case of a missing 7-month-old baby in California.

[...]

But now authorities are saying after interviewing the couple they found inconsistencies in their story. “During those interviews, Rebecca was confronted with inconsistencies in her initial statement and declined to continue with the interview. At this point in the investigation, investigators are unable to rule out foul play in the disappearance of Emmanuel,” deputies said.
 
  • #356
I generally agree with everything here. My father was a police officer and he said never to talk to the police without a lawyer. And I would normally NEVER take a polygraph test.

But as a parent, I think if my child was missing all that would go out the window. For me, at least. I know it's not smart, but I imagine I would be so desperate to have my kid back that I'd do anything, answer any question, if I knew I had done nothing wrong.
LE has to eliminate the parents, just no way around that. Parents who have nothing to hide, are eager to get past that step so LE can find their missing child.

I cannot fathom why Rebecca terminated the interview unless she's not telling the truth. In addition to that - the Uvalde Foundation, who also came in to help search. Also stated she would not answer any of their questions or provide the requested information to them either.

So it doesn't seem like either Jake or Rebecca really want Emmanual to be found. Likely because they are the reason he's gone - all JMO.
 
  • #357
There is something about her story that has been bugging me all day and that's when she says the kidnapper says "Hola" to her. Hola in Spanish means "Hello",so why would someone with intentions on snatching a child come up behind you and say hello? You would think a kidnapper wouldn't be that stupid,they would come up behind you quietly and then attack from behind. That part of her story smells really rotten.
 
  • #358
I've changed babies in cars and you're standing in the door and your body is blocking out a lot of what can be seen, so I'm wondering and it doesn't make sense. So E 's car seat is in the middle ? and she places him on the seat by the door and is rummaging around getting diaper etc and her body would be kind of shielded by the car door and no baby really seen , but she's knocked unconscious and someone reached over her body on the ground grabs a baby and takes off...
 
  • #359
I'm guessing Blaise was thinking the mother was the same woman from the previous case but she was not. Surprisingly, that woman was the one they met at the park to watch the sons play football.

I'm looking for the news source that reported the 2 year old was removed from the Haro home so please forgive me if I missed it.
You know what? She may not have been the same wife with him when he was charged with child abuse, but she most likely knew about it when she made the decision to marry him and have children with him.
 
  • #360
What about the park they were at before she went to store to get mouth guard, did anyone there see him? And also it would be interesting if grandmother could ask the other siblings when was the last time they saw emmanual.
 
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