GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[Twistinginthewind]

Originally Posted by 1MommaBear View Post
I'm trying to catch-up, so I apologize if someone has already pointed this out.

Several posters have wondered if NL was the witness that CL asked about the best way to dispose of a human body. According to the arrest warrant/crime report, it states:

"A witness also informed detectives that Lee asked him what was the best way to dispose of a human body."

Because the witness is a "him", it can't be NL.

http://www.sbcountyda.org/Portals/8/...eclaration.pdf

Great observation MommaBear!

Someone posted above, I think, that the witness CL asked about how to hide or dispose of a body was a man named Vince Gillian. It boggles my mind that anyone (no less CL) would be so obvious about their intentions by asking someone this kind of question, but thank goodness they did (I'm thinking of Scott Peterson here too, can't stop comparing these two monsters), and it went toward informing LE on premeditation.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

But, when CL was first approached by LE about Erin, he said they were casual acquaintances, and he hadn't seen EC in a couple of months. His answer only changed to he had only kissed her AFTER LE had the texts information from Tennessee.

CL may have been referring to when the affair was supposed to have ended when he said he hadn't seen Erin in a couple of months.

 

[m_brown]

just want to make sure that everyone knows Vince Gilligan is the creator/writer/mind behind TV series Breaking Bad. I think DH77 was making a joke...based on the darkness, storyline and many numbers of deaths in BB.

Originally Posted by 1MommaBear View Post
I'm trying to catch-up, so I apologize if someone has already pointed this out.

Several posters have wondered if NL was the witness that CL asked about the best way to dispose of a human body. According to the arrest warrant/crime report, it states:

"A witness also informed detectives that Lee asked him what was the best way to dispose of a human body."

Because the witness is a "him", it can't be NL.

http://www.sbcountyda.org/Portals/8/...eclaration.pdf



Someone posted above, I think, that the witness CL asked about how to hide or dispose of a body was a man named Vince Gilligan. It boggles my mind that anyone (no less CL) would be so obvious about their intentions by asking someone this kind of question, but thank goodness they did (I'm thinking of Scott Peterson here too, can't stop comparing these two monsters), and it went toward informing LE on premeditation.

 

[atthelake]

Why was Erin telling people at the ranch that she was pregnant IF she thought it was Chris'? Wouldn't she be worried that he'd be worried Nichole would think it was his? An uninvolved ranch-goer ( was reported in MSM to have) said she was so happy to be prego again. She couldn't really be THAT stupid, could she? She must have thought it was JC's.

ADDING @ 11:40 EST: since she isn't stupid, then we must assume she thought it was JC's baby.

This potentially circular thinking makes me think of a defence attorney in opening and or closing statements

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[1MommaBear]

That man (Jon) is one hellava class act. His parents should be very proud.

I couldn't agree more. I am proud of him and I've never even met him!

I think once he is able to heal from this tragedy, he will go on to have a wonderful life. I sincerely wish him all the best.

 

[Dallen]

I think the .22 was found at the ranch. The .40 was not found. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

The .40 rifle was never found. The .40 shells were found in his jeep and in the mine shaft. Sounds like he got rid of the gun he used to shoot her, or shoot at targets, but left casings in his jeep and in the mine, thinking they would never find the mine or the gun.

I haven't seen statement from LE or in MSM about whether the .22 was found or had been fired, but it was in the search warrant, so maybe they found it and analyzed the .22 and determined it hadn't been fired recently.

Ok, that's what I thought. Thank you. :tyou:

 

[Dallen]

Snipped by me

The Lees had been neighbors of the Corwins since last fall, when Jonathan and Erin moved into an apartment building on the Twentynine Palms base. Jonathan and Lee shared a passion for off-roading and recreational shooting, and their wives volunteered at the same horse ranch, so the neighbors became fast friends. They hung out “almost every day,” Jonathan said.

Anyone else get chills when you read this? I've never caught this part before.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

just want to make sure that everyone knows Vince Gilligan is the creator/writer/mind behind TV series Breaking Bad. I think DH77 was making a joke...based on the darkness, storyline and many numbers of deaths in BB.

I didn't know, thanks! I don't watch that show, so the name wasn't familiar to me, and I missed the joke.

 

[m_brown]

not a problem didn't want VG getting dragged into this lol

I didn't know, thanks! I don't watch that show, so the name wasn't familiar to me, and I missed the joke.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

It's already bothering me ('tho I'm not entirely surprised) that CL plead not guilty and his defense attorney seems to be going straight for the double-talk, 'gosh, the only thing they have against him is that he knew her' obfuscation kind of approach. I was hoping for more of a 'come clean' approach where he addressed or denied specifics of the case, but I'm sure this is a groovy tactic that defense attorneys use all the time to set the bar (low IMO).

Excerpt from this article:
http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2014/08/26/erin-corwin-christopher-lee-court-plea/14646713/

In addition to murder, Lee has been charged with a special circumstance of "lying in wait." This allegation, which argues that Lee planned Erin's death and then lured her into a trap, makes the suspect eligible for the death penalty, if convicted.

"We need to see where (that allegation) comes from," Kaloyanides said. "I'm not really sure what evidence supports that. I'm not really sure what evidence supports the claim that Mr. Lee has done anything, other than him knowing the victim."

Kaloyanides had represented Lee since July 4, when the ex-Marine was arrested for possession of a potato gun, which detectives claimed was an illegal destructive device. Detectives found the potato gun while searching for clues to Erin's fate, then held Lee briefly before letting him go.

On Tuesday, Kaloyanides implied that he felt this initial arrest was questionable.

"I'll put it this way," he said. "I don't know anyone who has ever been arrested and held on possession of a potato gun.""

 

[nikb]

Why was Erin telling people at the ranch that she was pregnant IF she thought it was Chris'? Wouldn't she be worried that he'd be worried Nichole would think it was his? An uninvolved ranch-goer ( was reported in MSM to have) said she was so happy to be prego again. She couldn't really be THAT stupid, could she? She must have thought it was JC's.

ADDING @ 11:40 EST: since she isn't stupid, then we must assume she thought it was JC's baby.

I'm not ready/willing to make that assumption yet, because it goes against what she told her friend in TN. I am surprised that the people at the ranch knew already, though. She must have told them not long after telling JC. I'm not saying she's "stupid," just saying I'm not willing to jump to definite assumptions/conclusions with how little we know at this point. JMO.

I think one other good possibility is she either didn't know whose it was, and/or she was pretty sure it was CL's but was "testing" things to see what would work for her and the baby longer term. Maybe her preference was CL but she was willing to stick with JC instead if CL didn't decide to move forward with her.

 

[cluciano63]

Murder suspects hardly ever plead guilty, Imo. The NG plea is almost automatic, if they do not confess during the initial interview and sometimes, even then. And defense attorneys immediately start their PR campaign indicating there is no evidence, police jumped the gun, etc...when in fact, in murder cases, Imo, prosecutors can almost be too difficult to convince that charges should be brought. When they are, I trust police have the evidence to back it up. We have seen enough to convince me already and I doubt we know the half of it. Jmo

 

[nikb]

In the State of CA Jon's name would automatically be on the birth certificate as the father as they were married.

I have unfortunately lived through this scenario with a family member, in the state of CA. Right around the time he and his now-ex started trying to get pregnant, she also started an affair. A few months later, she was pregnant, and shortly after that he found out about the affair. By 'default' he was told he would be the legal father since they were married UNLESS a paternity test proved otherwise, within 2 years of the child being born (after 2 years, it would be 'his' child legally, even if a paternity test after that time showed otherwise).

Here's a little more info: http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-parentage.htm. Generally yes, if married the presumed father is the husband, but it can be disputed. Here's more about disputing it: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=07001-08000&file=7540-7541. It gets really complicated and you pretty much need to get legal advice (not exactly a "self help" issue!), but here's a little more info:

FAMILY.CODE SECTION 7540-7541

7540. Except as provided in Section 7541, the child of a wife cohabiting with her husband, who is not impotent or sterile, is conclusively presumed to be a child of the marriage.

7541. (a) Notwithstanding Section 7540, if the court finds that the conclusions of all the experts, as disclosed by the evidence based on blood tests performed pursuant to Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 7550), are that the husband is not the father of the child, the question of paternity of the husband shall be resolved accordingly.
(b) The notice of motion for blood tests under this section may be filed not later than two years from the child's date of birth by the husband, or for the purposes of establishing paternity by the presumed father or the child through or by the child's guardian ad litem. <snipped>

He was very afraid of getting attached to the baby only to find out it wasn't his. Fortunately he was in fact the biological father (shown through both a prenatal paternity test and another one to confirm when the baby was a few months old). He's an awesome Dad and loves his child very much, but the divorce took years, so he would've been well past the two year "window" to dispute/verify paternity if he hadn't insisted on it early on.

ETA: the "he" I am referring to in this post is my relative, not JC or CL. It was just very eye opening for me and thought it might be helpful info for those thinking through Erin's case.

 

[Seajay]

It's already bothering me ('tho I'm not entirely surprised) that CL plead not guilty and his defense attorney seems to be going straight for the double-talk, 'gosh, the only thing they have against him is that he knew her' obfuscation kind of approach. I was hoping for more of a 'come clean' approach where he addressed or denied specifics of the case, but I'm sure this is a groovy tactic that defense attorneys use all the time to set the bar (low IMO).

Excerpt from this article:
http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2014/08/26/erin-corwin-christopher-lee-court-plea/14646713/

In addition to murder, Lee has been charged with a special circumstance of "lying in wait." This allegation, which argues that Lee planned Erin's death and then lured her into a trap, makes the suspect eligible for the death penalty, if convicted.

"We need to see where (that allegation) comes from," Kaloyanides said. "I'm not really sure what evidence supports that. I'm not really sure what evidence supports the claim that Mr. Lee has done anything, other than him knowing the victim."

Kaloyanides had represented Lee since July 4, when the ex-Marine was arrested for possession of a potato gun, which detectives claimed was an illegal destructive device. Detectives found the potato gun while searching for clues to Erin's fate, then held Lee briefly before letting him go.

On Tuesday, Kaloyanides implied that he felt this initial arrest was questionable.

"I'll put it this way," he said. "I don't know anyone who has ever been arrested and held on possession of a potato gun.""

He's just being obtuse. He knows darn well his client was arrested for the potato gun incident because he was the prime suspect in Erin's disappearance. We figured it out, so why wouldn't he? It was to insure they knew where he was so when they found Erin, they could bring CL's sorry butt back to CA.

 

[moonbeams]

I'm not ready/willing to make that assumption yet, because it goes against what she told her friend in TN. I am surprised that the people at the ranch knew already, though. She must have told them not long after telling JC. I'm not saying she's "stupid," just saying I'm not willing to jump to definite assumptions/conclusions with how little we know at this point. JMO.

I think one other good possibility is she either didn't know whose it was, and/or she was pretty sure it was CL's but was "testing" things to see what would work for her and the baby longer term. Maybe her preference was CL but she was willing to stick with JC instead if CL didn't decide to move forward with her.

BBM

IMO based on the texts to JT in TN, she thought it was CL's baby. IMO the only reason JC knew is because he was probably with her [modsnip]. I'm thinking IMO, that she probably didn't plan to let JC in on it quite yet... him finding out was accidental because of circumstances. IMO [modsnip]

All my opinion based on everything reported and read but still huge assumptions/opionions on my part.

 

[Bernina]

Just for fun, my lil' bro sent me a pic of us kids heading out to the desert, ages 11, 9, 4, and 2, on 2 of our ponies, Champ and Diablo, 1972. We'd be gone all day. This was before all the "Save the Children" stuff came along.


He has some other crazy pics coming, including one where he as a 2 year old has another pony, Cloud, tied behind his tricycle, hauling butt up a driveway....:happydance:....[modsnip]

 

[stayhomemommy]

Oh my!

Checks to Erin Corwin's rescue team stolen from mailbox

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...mail-checks-erin-corwin-rescue-team/14804681/

 

[stayhomemommy]

WOW. just WOW!

Sure makes you think twice about leaving mail in your box for the mail person to pick up.

The whole scenario is just so bizarre! :gaah:

 

[shadetree44]

I meant to add that thought to my post. Sometimes when I think of something to write, by the time I get one thought out, the other is gone. LOL

Yes, with him being a Marine, he had training in weaponry. Between coming from Alaska, where a weapon means survival, and being in the Marines, where weapons are a part of training and service, I would expect him to be versed in them to the point that he would know that a .22 is for varmint hunting, target practice and little else. Trying to kill a human being with one would not be the best choice of weapons. IMO.

CL owned a .22 rifle. A .22LR is a deadly weapon in the right hands. Granted a .40 cal is a capable weapon but be fooled a .22LR is quite deadly. The advantage a .40 cal gives is it will do more harm if the shot is misplaced. I thought there was some mention of a .45. Many vets/military prefer a 1911 as a personal weapon. Has there been any mention of that anyone can remember?

 

[nikb]

WOW. just WOW!

Sure makes you think twice about leaving mail in your box for the mail person to pick up.

Ok this is really, really horrible and I'm not blaming the guy who mailed the checks, but does anyone NOT know this anymore? Apparently so, but it only took me once having them stolen to learn never to leave checks in my mailbox. Checks go straight to a post office drop box/mailbox (almost every grocery store has them now). Same with birthday cards... they get stolen if thieves are hoping to find a gift card.

I'm very sorry to hear this happened and applaud the person who found the checks and brought them back. I'd be willing to bet a lot more people in that area are also missing mail and don't even know it yet. At least around my area it's always the worst shortly before typical bills are due (week or so leading up to the 1st and 15th), and near holidays.