GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #3

[Voice4theSilent]

I found this article full of information. So her husband WAS home when she left on the morning of the 28th.

http://www.people.com/article/erin-corwin-missing-pregnant-family-prays-returns

Yes, he is the last one that saw her (that we know of) as she left their apartment that morning. He also tried to call her throughout the day (wonder if her phone was already off or if LE was able to get some information from those missed calls that were placed to her phone?) and started calling around to friends that night when he still couldn't reach her. IF the affair is true, perhaps one of her friends tried to cover for her and downplay her being gone? Perhaps that is where he got the idea she might be staying at "the ranch"?

Also, I was reading through the comments on that article and a few people stated that this very article DID include something about the affair but was quickly edited to remove it shortly after it was put on the site.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

If that People article is correct, it's gotten me thinking about something that bothered me early on. Has anyone seen where LE says Jon is not a POI? I certainly may have overlooked something but, so far, all I have seen is his family saying he is not a suspect. That is not the same thing as LE saying it. They have said he is cooperating, but LE has said the same thing about other men who did indeed kill their wives. I fully admit that we don't have the whole story and I am not accusing him of anything. There is alot we don't know and he may have had to work on Saturday. But, as others have said, I would feel better if we had solid evidence that she was seen leaving home on Saturday morning.

The only thing I have seen regarding whether or not he is considered a POI is the following: When asked if the Cpl. is a suspect in the investigation, sheriff's detectives say they can neither confirm nor deny that information, but stress that he and Corwin's family have been cooperative.

Link: http://www.kmir.com/story/25930731/wife-of-marine-still-missing-husband-speaks-exclusively-with-kmir

Also, I believe the ONLY person who has stated he is not a suspect is his mother: Jon Corwin, who hasn't been able to comment per the military's orders, has been fully cooperative and is not a suspect, his mother says.

Link: http://www.people.com/article/erin-corwin-missing-pregnant-family-prays-returns

 

[JeannaT]

Amazing, and cadaver dogs have an easier time because decomposition is generally easier to detect than a living person's scent. It seems to me a waste of effort to explore caves without a hit from a cadaver dog. From everything I've read, if she is in a cave, even if she's buried there, cadaver dogs would likely be able to detect her from the surface. If they're not calling in as many cadaver dogs as possible they're missing an opportunity that may be gone as dessication and decomposition continue.

After having followed the Mike Herdman case over the last month, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stake in the abilities of these cadaver dogs, or bloodhounds either for that matter. They were unable to track and locate someone who was walking around barefoot prior to disappearing and then laid out in the open, dead and decomposing, for 2 weeks. Not exactly something you want to list on your resume' for the dog or its' handler.[/QUOTE]

I've lost a lot of faith in tracking dogs, too. When they find something, that's great. But it seems they miss much more often than they're right. They're better than human noses, for sure, and I think they're better in field trials where things are very well controlled. In real situations you have things like cross-contamination of scent, scent objects that are contaminated by other people's scents, etc.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Given the terrain, the size of the search area, the mines, etc., it's difficult to imagine they'll find her without cadaver dogs. The article below is about a dog that tracked a murder suspect across Madison:
http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_2873665a-c56e-11e1-af54-0019bb2963f4.html

Amazing, and cadaver dogs have an easier time because decomposition is generally easier to detect than a living person's scent. It seems to me a waste of effort to explore caves without a hit from a cadaver dog. From everything I've read, if she is in a cave, even if she's buried there, cadaver dogs would likely be able to detect her from the surface. If they're not calling in as many cadaver dogs as possible they're missing an opportunity that may be gone as dessication and decomposition continue.

I don't know if they have been utilizing dogs, I would hope so but haven't read anything to that effect. They have said that they are looking for tire tracks and footprints so maybe once they find those and have some sort of definitive proof that she was indeed in the general area they will bring in some cadaver dogs?

"We're looking for any clues and evidence ... that indicates Mrs. Corwin was in the area," Lane said. Evidence such as tire tracks and footprints, he said.

Link: http://www.desertsun.com/story/news.../07/14/search-erin-corwin-continues/12614891/

 

[Plumeria5]

I found this article full of information. So her husband WAS home when she left on the morning of the 28th.

http://www.people.com/article/erin-corwin-missing-pregnant-family-prays-returns

That is good to know as before now I think it was unclear whether he was on duty or not by 7 am. So are there usually set hours they are on duty? The dogs were "unkept", he said, so did he have duty later on and didn't get back until later in the evening?

 

[steelman]

Given the terrain, the size of the search area, the mines, etc., it's difficult to imagine they'll find her without cadaver dogs. The article below is about a dog that tracked a murder suspect across Madison:
http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_2873665a-c56e-11e1-af54-0019bb2963f4.html

Amazing, and cadaver dogs have an easier time because decomposition is generally easier to detect than a living person's scent. It seems to me a waste of effort to explore caves without a hit from a cadaver dog. From everything I've read, if she is in a cave, even if she's buried there, cadaver dogs would likely be able to detect her from the surface. If they're not calling in as many cadaver dogs as possible they're missing an opportunity that may be gone as dessication and decomposition continue.

After having followed the case of Mike Herdman over in California for the last month, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in the ability of cadaver dogs........... bloodhounds either for that matter.

They were unable to track a guy that was walking around barefoot prior to disappearing, then laid out in the open, dead and decomposing, for almost two weeks. I wouldn't think that is something you would want to list on your resume', I'm including their handlers in that too.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Given the terrain, the size of the search area, the mines, etc., it's difficult to imagine they'll find her without cadaver dogs. The article below is about a dog that tracked a murder suspect across Madison:
http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_2873665a-c56e-11e1-af54-0019bb2963f4.html

Amazing, and cadaver dogs have an easier time because decomposition is generally easier to detect than a living person's scent. It seems to me a waste of effort to explore caves without a hit from a cadaver dog. From everything I've read, if she is in a cave, even if she's buried there, cadaver dogs would likely be able to detect her from the surface. If they're not calling in as many cadaver dogs as possible they're missing an opportunity that may be gone as dessication and decomposition continue.

Well that would be true but unfortunately for Erin, she picked one of the worst spots to have this happen to her, as far as cadaver dogs are concerned. The humidity levels in the desert hover around 10-20% which severely diminish the capacity of the olfactory senses. In scientific terms smelling requires nucleation in which available water molecules carry or accompany volatile gases of decomposition to the nose. As well, the nasal cavity dries up in low humidity, causing the nerve endings to stop transmitting scent signals to the brain. The result is, that while cadaver dogs can be useful to find a buried body in a very specific location, they cannot be used to track over great distances in a desert environment. Madison Wisconsin has the benefit of lots of lakes. It's too bad.

(The nucleation phenomenon is illustrated when you have an already smelly sweat sock, and you wear it while playing football, sweating the whole time, then you take off your shoes and everyone leaves the room.)

 

[Treelights]

That is good to know as before now I think it was unclear whether he was on duty or not by 7 am. So are there usually set hours they are on duty? The dogs were "unkept", he said, so did he have duty later on and didn't get back until later in the evening?

This whole thing about Saturday is what sticks in my mind.
Well, if he left somewhere, did he get picked up by somebody? Did he walk? Did he have a bicycle, motorcycle, another vehicle?
He was at home when Erin left, but we don't know what he did during the morning, day, and evening.
And the pets....so many questions!
IMOO.

 

[Plumeria5]

This whole thing about Saturday is what sticks in my mind.
Well, if he left somewhere, did he get picked up by somebody? Did he walk? Did he have a bicycle, motorcycle, another vehicle?
He was at home when Erin left, but we don't know what he did during the morning, day, and evening.
And the pets....so many questions!
IMOO.

Yes, and did they have a second car?

 

[bpinkbinkie]

I've lost a lot of faith in tracking dogs, too. When they find something, that's great. But it seems they miss much more often than they're right. They're better than human noses, for sure, and I think they're better in field trials where things are very well controlled. In real situations you have things like cross-contamination of scent, scent objects that are contaminated by other people's scents, etc.

Agreed! You can't really put faith into at least two of the major resources the investigators use since they are subjective. Cadaver dogs and lie detector tests are both prone to error and are not 100% reliable. They are only tools the police use in hopes of a positive (or negative, as it may be) outcome.

 

[Melanie]

I found this article full of information. So her husband WAS home when she left on the morning of the 28th.

http://www.people.com/article/erin-corwin-missing-pregnant-family-prays-returns

I've been following this from afar, and I just have to say -- I feel this might be a stranger abduction. If she succumbed in the desert, they would have found her by now (IMHO). I'm not getting a hinkey feeling from the husband (probably because he hasn't said much). Does anyone know if her car was in working order when found -- or did she break down?

Thx - Mel.

 

[Emi]

@Melanie we do not know anything about the condition of the car

 

[Treelights]

So he was home when Erin left, but yet there isn't even a general description of what Erin was wearing, like was she wearing a skirt, a dress, jeans, shorts, t-shirt, top, tennis shoes, sandals, something like that. I mean I do understand if he can't remember the exact floral pattern or exact color, but I would think he would at least know if she was wearing a dress or skirt or shorts or pants/capris. I mean, were her legs showing? If so, that would eliminate longer pants, ya know. Did she have her glasses? Did she usually wear her glasses or contacts?
IMOO.
ETA:
Maybe all that does not matter since there aren't flyers put up, that I read, so I take it, they aren't looking for an alive Erin, in my opinion.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

After having followed the case of Mike Herdman over in California for the last month, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in the ability of cadaver dogs........... bloodhounds either for that matter.

They were unable to track a guy that was walking around barefoot prior to disappearing, then laid out in the open, dead and decomposing, for almost two weeks. I wouldn't think that is something you would want to list on your resume', I'm including their handlers in that too.

The good news is that it was a helicopter pilot who found MH and they are utilizing helicopters in the search for Erin. Hopefully they will have some success with her search, as well.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

So he was home when Erin left, but yet there isn't even a general description of what Erin was wearing, like was she wearing a skirt, a dress, jeans, shorts, t-shirt, top, tennis shoes, sandals, something like that. I mean I do understand if he can't remember the exact floral pattern or exact color, but I would think he would at least know if she was wearing a dress or skirt or shorts or pants/capris. I mean, were her legs showing? If so, that would eliminate longer pants, ya know. Did she have her glasses? Did she usually wear her glasses or contacts?
IMOO.
ETA:
Maybe all that does not matter since there aren't flyers put up, that I read, so I take it, they aren't looking for an alive Erin, in my opinion.

They may have a description of what she was wearing but haven't released it or maybe he just doesn't remember. Unless it was a remarkable outfit or one that my husband really likes seeing me in he wouldn't be able to tell what I was wearing when I left on a particular day... and going into my closet to see what was missing to narrow it down would be even less fruitful for him. It depends on the individual. MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

As far as a stranger abduction...if the affair is a fact, then I doubt this is a case of a random stranger abducting Erin. But if false, then yes, this has to be a high possibility at this point. Jmo

 

[bpinkbinkie]

They may have a description of what she was wearing but haven't released it or maybe he just doesn't remember. Unless it was a remarkable outfit or one that my husband really likes seeing me in he wouldn't be able to tell what I was wearing when I left on a particular day... and going into my closet to see what was missing to narrow it down would be even less fruitful for him. It depends on the individual. MOO.

Exactly!! JVM said that last night - JC could go through EC's clothing to determine what she was wearing by what was missing. I don't think 95% of men could do that, unless there is only one outfit for every day. (Not a dig on men, btw!)

 

[Treelights]

They may have a description of what she was wearing but haven't released it or maybe he just doesn't remember. Unless it was a remarkable outfit or one that my husband really likes seeing me in he wouldn't be able to tell what I was wearing when I left on a particular day... and going into my closet to see what was missing to narrow it down would be even less fruitful for him. It depends on the individual. MOO.

My husband would definitely remember seeing my legs, if they were exposed by wearing a dress, skirt or shorts.
Even after all these years being married.
My husband remembers the first top he saw me in, and I still have it!
Yes, everyone is different.
IMOO.

 

[Eileen730]

Can you elaborate please? I haven't had enough coffee this morning. :coffeews:

Sure I don't think they would let Marines search because there is a possibility a Marine is responsible.
Same with her husband not searching. If he found her we all would say he's guilty he knew where she was
So if someone on that base killed her u don't wan t him in a search party

 

[RSC]

Ugh. That is so creepy to me. I didn't even register for awhile because of that thought. :/
(sorry, mods, if this is inappropriate please remove!)

Exactly. We have had spouses, parents, grandparents, siblings and such join in the discussions on many occasions. In fact, I'm sure a few of the more seasoned members can point to instances where actual murderers were posting on threads.