GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[JeannaT]

I totally agree. It is very easy and not at all complicated for me to believe that CL was involved given his statements to LE along with Erin's statements to her husband, mother, and friend in TN.

First, Erin's statement to her husband that she was going to JTNP combined with the times she was expected to be gone (from 7 to 1600 hours) perfectly fit CL's stated alibi *and* timeline for that day (it's really amazing bad luck for him that he left at approximately 7:30 and arrived back home at 1600 hours if he wasn't involved). And, IIRC, CL stated that he was in JTNP on Saturday hunting.

Second, her text(s) (I'm assuming there were back and forth texts due to the nature of text convos) to her friend in TN about how she was going hunting with CL that Saturday fit perfectly with CL's stated activities on Saturday. (Again, it's really amazing bad luck for him if he wasn't involved that Erin told her friend she was going hunting with him on Saturday and then he happened to go hunting.)

Third, Erin's mother indicated in an article that her daughter mentioned going to JTNP that Saturday during their conversation the day/night before.

It seems pretty obvious IMO that Erin said she was going to the park to scout locations for photos/etc. as a cover story because she was meeting CL for a day out.

I also think it's pretty obvious (again IMO) that Erin and CL were having an affair. She told her friend in TN about it. Others on base knew about it (and I don't just think it was backbiting gossip, meaning, people were making up the story out of whole cloth). CL lied about the relationship to LE, which further makes him look as though he has something to cover up.

I don't believe in coincidences either, and I find it very simple to believe that CL and Erin were having an affair, that CL told Erin he would take her out hunting for a day, that Erin concocted the JTNP scouting trip as a cover to go hunting with CL, that Erin was telling her friend about the affair and hunting trip (probably unbeknownst to CL, so the leak about the texts may have been a bit of a surprise to him), and that the two met up off base that Saturday morning...and Erin hasn't, as you said, been heard from since.

Have I missed something? I thought the texts indicated they were going on a day trip together, 2 hours away, to celebrate the pregnancy. I thought it was supposed to be some kind of romantic "surprise". Did Erin also say she was going hunting?

 

[jojo87]

Can anyone give me a link that explains guns and bullets for dummies. I looked up wiki but so many sections and not well laid out. Just a basic quick rundown.
Thanks in advance .

 

[rosesfromangels]

At this point, given the CONFESSION (?) (was it?) that NL gave to the woman at the horse ranch, I move that the L couple be arrested. Alternatively, LE could give one of them immunity to testify against the other. Wonder which one will squeal first?!
This is all pure speculation on my part; opinion only!

 

[m_brown]

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[rosiebean]

Have I missed something? I thought the texts indicated they were going on a day trip together, 2 hours away, to celebrate the pregnancy. I thought it was supposed to be some kind of romantic "surprise". Did Erin also say she was going hunting?

In the paragraph related to Erin's friend in TN in the probable cause section of the search warrant, it says (to paraphrase): CL told Erin he was taking her away for a special day together, CL told Erin they were going to an undisclosed location approximately 2 hours away, CL told Erin he was taking her hunting.

I also noticed that in that section, Erin's friend forwarded LE text messages (plural) to back up the statements she made to them. It makes it sound as though Erin's friend had had ongoing discussions about the affair (and pregnancy, CL's worry about a possible baby and his wife taking his child away from him, and day trip), and I also think this was discussed over time and involved both text messages and phone calls as well...IMO.

Here's a link to a news story that in turn has a link to the search warrant: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/23/erin-corwin-missing-affair-marine_n_5614235.html

 

[Plumeria5]

I totally agree. It is very easy and not at all complicated for me to believe that CL was involved given his statements to LE along with Erin's statements to her husband, mother, and friend in TN.

First, Erin's statement to her husband that she was going to JTNP combined with the times she was expected to be gone (from 7 to 1600 hours) perfectly fit CL's stated alibi *and* timeline for that day (it's really amazing bad luck for him that he left at approximately 7:30 and arrived back home at 1600 hours if he wasn't involved). And, IIRC, CL stated that he was in JTNP on Saturday hunting.

Second, her text(s) (I'm assuming there were back and forth texts due to the nature of text convos) to her friend in TN about how she was going hunting with CL that Saturday fit perfectly with CL's stated activities on Saturday. (Again, it's really amazing bad luck for him if he wasn't involved that Erin told her friend she was going hunting with him on Saturday and then he happened to go hunting.)

Third, Erin's mother indicated in an article that her daughter mentioned going to JTNP that Saturday during their conversation the day/night before.

It seems pretty obvious IMO that Erin said she was going to the park to scout locations for photos/etc. as a cover story because she was meeting CL for a day out.

I also think it's pretty obvious (again IMO) that Erin and CL were having an affair. She told her friend in TN about it. Others on base knew about it (and I don't just think it was backbiting gossip, meaning, people were making up the story out of whole cloth). CL lied about the relationship to LE, which further makes him look as though he has something to cover up.

I don't believe in coincidences either, and I find it very simple to believe that CL and Erin were having an affair, that CL told Erin he would take her out hunting for a day, that Erin concocted the JTNP scouting trip as a cover to go hunting with CL, that Erin was telling her friend about the affair and hunting trip (probably unbeknownst to CL, so the leak about the texts may have been a bit of a surprise to him), and that the two met up off base that Saturday morning...and Erin hasn't, as you said, been heard from since.

BBM
You know, your post got me thinking...and that is hard to do considering it is really early morning here.

If I were the friend in TN who Erin texted, I think I would feel pretty uneasy. The L duo is out and about. If they did disappear Erin, wouldn't you like to be a fly on their wall! Now they have lots of time to get their stories aligned and figure out how to discredit any witness accounts such as MB or the friend in TN. Could LE bug their vehicle? I don't think they went back to AK together but if they drove can you imagine the conversation they would have had on the way back!! I hope someone is looking out for EC's friend and making sure she is safe. If LE has those texts, she is "the" crucial witness. I'm sure the defense would argue there is no way to prove those texts are from EC, that JC sent them to incrimidate CL, etc. Gosh, I hate to think like a defense attorney! (They can't really say there was a "contaminated crime scene" at least yet. That is always the go to excuse for the D.) NL isn't going to take this lying down. I don't see a confession...ever.

 

[HauntsForHope]

How to make and use a potato gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYyJevOLIE

Gun Range Use and Etiquette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COvFyw-6Fqs

 

[HauntsForHope]

Map of Location where her car was found. The roads are dirt with small markers. Extremely remote.

I can't help but notice how close this is to where the McStay family was buried in the desert. Just thinking how long it took to find them, and how they were almost never found. If not for the hard ground they may have been buried deeper and never surfaced.

Mrs L may be right in saying EC will never be found

https://www.google.com/maps/place/V...2!3m1!1s0x80dab866067f1533:0x375a370baeb5aac0

 

[JeannaT]

In the paragraph related to Erin's friend in TN in the probable cause section of the search warrant, it says (to paraphrase): CL told Erin he was taking her away for a special day together, CL told Erin they were going to an undisclosed location approximately 2 hours away, CL told Erin he was taking her hunting.

I also noticed that in that section, Erin's friend forwarded LE text messages (plural) to back up the statements she made to them. It makes it sound as though Erin's friend had had ongoing discussions about the affair (and pregnancy, CL's worry about a possible baby and his wife taking his child away from him, and day trip), and I also think this was discussed over time and involved both text messages and phone calls as well...IMO.

Here's a link to a news story that in turn has a link to the search warrant: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/23/erin-corwin-missing-affair-marine_n_5614235.html

Yes, thanks, that's how I perceived it too. Like Erin described it sort of as a romantic surprise day rather than a hunting expedition. I'm not sure I'd be willing to go hunting out in the boondocks by someone who is likely not thrilled with my pregnancy.

 

[necco]

Maybe 45 minutes or so? Just keep going on Amboy Road, which you would take to Sheephole Pass, then it curves around and there is salt "stuff" on both sides (processing center or whatever) until you get to the "sprawling metropolis" of Amboy by the train tracks. I'm pretty sure the salt mine is still in operation. There are little hills of sand or something on the east side, and a weird cracked looking surface on all the ground to the west. It's a cool place to pull over and let the kids break play with the cracked ground for a little while. lol There's not any place here to pull off the road and hide someone. Once you leave Sheephole Pass, there aren't the empty cabins and brush/bushes - it's flat and everything is visible for a long distance.

Amboy is probably the "ghost town" some people have mentioned previously, which looks like the people just vaporized. There's a really cool old motel lobby, floor to ceiling glass so you can see everything perfectly, and there's a grand piano and a stereo with a Frank Sinatra album propped up on it along with some other things. Pretty cool. It's right next to the gas station/cafe, and right across from the smallest post office I've ever seen. And that, my friends, is pretty much the entire town! lol (Actually, last week we saw 2 random Juan Pollo catering trailers abandoned out there. lol)



Wikipedia has some pics (the teeny tiny white building in the first one is the post office): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboy,_California




Hilarious you should refer to it a sprawling metropolis. I was thinking exactly the same thing while "cruising" Rt 66 in Google maps. Still stuck in the space age and I bet Roy's was a hopping place back in the day. Used to be a cool old drive in called The Rocket around here that was similar vintage and style. Alas, long gone.

Cell tower behind Roy's looks a bit out of place though.

Nothing, just nothing out there. Lots of dirt.

ETA: What the heck is going on with quotes being blown out of boxes?

Yep, I photographed Amboy. There's the closed hotel, which, by the way, the doors are all opened on the rooms and it does indeed look like the people were all just abducted by aliens. There was a place to buy a soda and a less than sanitary public bathroom, which, at that point, after all that desert and nothingness, was still a magical oasis on the road.

 

[Nora Charles]

It is an interesting place to visit. I read some about it last night and found out the owner of Juan Pollo owns it now so that explains the catering trailers. lol

Yep, I photographed Amboy. There's the closed hotel, which, by the way, the doors are all opened on the rooms and it does indeed look like the people were all just abducted by aliens. There was a place to buy a soda and a less than sanitary public bathroom, which, at that point, after all that desert and nothingness, was still a magical oasis on the road.

 

[Nora Charles]

I think this is just rumor unless someone has a link???

BBM

BBM
Has it been confirmed that JC was working Sat? I know a lot of people assume he was on duty, but I don't remember reading an actual report that said he was. I've heard just as many rumors that said he wasn't on duty. I think to know this information is very important. JMO.

In theory, and just my opinion, but if JC had something to do with Erin's disappearance- it would actually make more sense and it would be the "easiest" crime to put the puzzle pieces together. When you try to hammer CL and NL into the puzzle, it becomes a little more complicated and the story a little more bizarre. I am NOT saying CL and NL didn't do anything. I'm just saying to put those two together in this crime, it requires many bizarre elements to fall in place.

I can't help but think that if the affair was still going on- it's just as possible that EC and CL planned to take off together when CL was discharged? And maybe somebody found out.

I have a few nagging doubts. Maybe information will be released soon that will clear them up. I wish I was so convinced as everybody else on here.:scared:
For example: Why would CL ask people to go hunting with him if he had murder in mind? It's possible to me that somebody heard him say he was going there.
Why would EC tell her husband about the pregnancy on Father's Day if she suspected it was CL's? If she had an affair in Feb that he found out about- how does she get pregnant again, and he doesn't automatically think it's somebody elses? Did he "trust" his wife? Most men that have been cheated on would find it hard to trust their wife for awhile. Especially if the lover lived right by you.

In the reports that I've read- CL completely denies the affair and only says they've kissed once.

Don't get me wrong- there are plenty of things that make me side eye the heck out of CL.

 

[HauntsForHope]

"On the day she disappeared, Erin Corwin, 20, had planned to meet with her neighbor, Christopher Brandon Lee, 24, to spend a "special day together" on a hunting trip, according to documents filed in a Joshua Tree courthouse.

The day trip was meant to celebrate Corwin's pregnancy, but detectives said Lee was afraid his wife would discover their affair.

"It is highly likely that Erin could have been harmed by an unknown firearm," detectives wrote in court documents. "Sometime after Erin left with Lee, her phone was deactivated (turned off). Detectives believe if Erin was injured and left at an undisclosed location, she would not (be) able to call for help.""

Video at the link...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...over-christopher-lee-arrested-freed/12978927/

 

[HauntsForHope]

Humorous and Chris are partners. Humorous is a 4 yr. old gelding Thoroughbred off-the-track only 6 months ago. He arrived after a 2 month layoff period for his left front leg tendon, then 4 month lay-off period at White Rock Horse Rescue and now he is being sponsored and ridden by Chris.

http://www.whiterockhorserescueca.org/2014_04_01_archive.html

 

[Nora Charles]

Women can be pretty skilled and independent in areas people think are "men only!"

I've seen pics a few times of a women's flyfishing group that travels around...of course they have the cutest little retro trailers! lol (We women have many skills!)

Speaking for me only being a military spouse whom has spent countless months and actually years alone with children during my spouses extended deployments. I was taught all aspects of gun usage, safety, etcetera and I was required to take the firearms exam that is mandatory within the state that I reside in. I became certified by the state and I visit the shooting range several times a year. So yes I do not think it is too far-fetched either to think that two woman can go out shooting together. Actually there are classes geared specifically for women. At least I know in our state they hold these self-defense classes all the time then all the ladies meet x amount of times per year to shoot and practice together. As for the excuse of celebrating by going out shooting, I have no opinion on that at all.

 

[Nora Charles]

Do we have any proof NL or JC knew about the affair?

I just don't believe any woman would be hanging out with the woman their husband cheated on them with

 

[Meemaw12]

This statement refers to the charges against CL for the " destructive device " ?

Yes, clearly it does, I re read the article.

 

[Nora Charles]

29 Palms is actually about an hour and a half from where the McStays were located, so not very close. However, the desolate terrain is very similar. If I had to guess, I think Erin will be found in a similar manner...a long time later and not far off a trail. (McStays were found 50 yards from a trail.) I don't see why NL would be boasting they will "never find the body" if they put her in one of the mines...only a matter of time for someone to find her there.

Map of Location where her car was found. The roads are dirt with small markers. Extremely remote.

I can't help but notice how close this is to where the McStay family was buried in the desert. Just thinking how long it took to find them, and how they were almost never found. If not for the hard ground they may have been buried deeper and never surfaced.

Mrs L may be right in saying EC will never be found

https://www.google.com/maps/place/V...2!3m1!1s0x80dab866067f1533:0x375a370baeb5aac0

 

[Davia18]

Looks to me like a classic case of eliminate the 'other woman'.

This couple got rid of what would have been a lifelong problem. They planned, executed and disposed of her remains because of the pregnancy. I get a sense the wife demanded he get rid of her in order to keep his family. It sounds as though she wears the pants in that house. He invited the victim for a 'special day' of 'hunting' in the Joshua Tree Park where she was the prey.

Because her phone was shut off shortly after she was picked up, I think he murdered and disposed of her right away in order to create an alibi. The wife's comment that the body will not be found tells me they planned a location in advance. It will be an out of the way place they know. It's possible that they dug a grave in advance, so it would be helpful to look at where they were in the days before. Hunting/fishing areas, bodies of water, private property like farmland... I don't think she is in Joshua Park.

I hope they find her remains or at least enough evidence to bring charges. She made some bad choices but she didn't deserve to be led like a lamb to the slaughter.

This is entirely 'Just My Opinion'.

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http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...7/23/erin-corwin-family-reward-fund/13074147/

Yep all that, I agree with you 100%

 

[Nora Charles]

That's an hour minimum away, with lots of flat, open land where you can see pretty far. Also, more traffic and people...they actually have events out there so it's far more risky that east of 29 Palms.

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This is a favorite spot in the area for Jeeps to go off roading....
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-desert-marines-20140509-story.html


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentynine_Palms,_California