CA - Five Ucar family members found dead in San Clemente home, 25 May 2008

[noZme]

obviously, i didn't tear myself away & go to bed

the girls are clearly identical twins, but i see several distinct differences in the photos & do not think photoshopping was involved

 

[JBean]

obviously, i didn't tear myself away & go to bed

the girls are clearly identical twins, but i see several distinct differences in the photos & do not think photoshopping was involved

I totally agree.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

another commment:
ocrant wrote:
I just checked my kids' yearbook and the photos are the real deal. The hair on the girls is different. And the crosses are at a different angle. What bugs me is the post earlier from the guy who went to school with the girls. He said the mom brought lunch to school and ate it with them. That's not normal. That's crazy. And/or overprotective. And Mom had the gun in her name. Maybe because she owned the jewelry store or maybe because Dad was unstable

LOL, I just read that

 

[JBean]

LOL, I just read that

http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/UCSD
scroll down for the papers they edited

 

[JBean]

 

[noZme]

question

on the ucsd link
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/UCSD

in the picture, could that be margo & grace
2nd row on the right side
hair in ponytails or pulled back,
one girl wearing black, the other wearing white
????????????????????????

 

[JBean]

question

on the ucsd link
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/UCSD

in the picture, could that be margo & grace
2nd row on the right side
hair in ponytails or pulled back,
one girl wearing black, the other wearing white
????????????????????????

I saw that too noz, but decided it wasn't them because they are in differnt colors. They reportedly always dressed alike.But???

 

[Tom'sGirl]

question

on the ucsd link
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/UCSD

in the picture, could that be margo & grace
2nd row on the right side
hair in ponytails or pulled back,
one girl wearing black, the other wearing white
????????????????????????

Could be, but their hair is much darker but they could have lightened it when their photos were taken in HS.

 

[noZme]

same girls in group pic?


i did things quite differently in college than high school... at least i tried !

thought maybe they experimented with individualism too ..... the mom eating lunch with them at school creeped me out

hair pulled back often appears darker underneath, could have been colored or simply sun streaked

will look again after some much needed sleep.

 

[MeoW333]

another commment:
ocrant wrote:
I just checked my kids' yearbook and the photos are the real deal. The hair on the girls is different. And the crosses are at a different angle. What bugs me is the post earlier from the guy who went to school with the girls. He said the mom brought lunch to school and ate it with them. That's not normal. That's crazy. And/or overprotective. And Mom had the gun in her name. Maybe because she owned the jewelry store or maybe because Dad was unstable

Maybe the father made the mother go and eat lunch with them, as if they are Muslims, sounding like serious Muslims, the father had the mother go to make sure they ate their proper religious foods and moreso did not talk to males.

 

[SuziQ]

Was mom extremely involved or overly protective for a reason, and for what reason? The Diamond business (a very dangerous one) sets off my hinky meter. LE has sent out the impression that this is murder/suicide, but....? Hopefully we'll get more info today.

TG, that's looks like a great community. I'm pretty happy where I'm at now, but I miss the ocean and the west coast.

ETA: there are two businesses I would not choose to be in, diamonds and currency trading. I'd be looking over my shoulders 24/7.

 

[SuziQ]

I wonder if mom went to the closet to retreive her gun?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgQq_Pn5o6mQHLQWGyzBoiaz4nOwD90U0EJO7

(snips)
The bodies of a man and woman in their 40s or 50s were found together in a closet at the house in Sea Pointe Estates, and a woman in her 70s and two sisters in their early 20s were found in the attached bedroom, the lieutenant said.

 

[STEADFAST]

Maybe the father made the mother go and eat lunch with them, as if they are Muslims, sounding like serious Muslims, the father had the mother go to make sure they ate their proper religious foods and moreso did not talk to males.

I think the family is Armenian and, if so, are most likely Christian, especially considering the girls are wearing crosses in their school pictures. So, I wonder what the deal was with the mother going to eat lunch with them every day?

 

[swanniee11]

Trying to stay positive maybe the mothers schedule and the kids schedules are so busy that this was a chance for the mother to catch-up on her childrens lives. Did they say she did this everyday? IMO

 

[nanandjim]

So sad. Why do people choose to resolve life's issues in this fashion and take along innocent people with them, too? The girls look lovely. I feel certain that they were really nice kids.

JBean - Thanks for the neighborhood photos. It looks like a really nice place to live. You are fortunate!

I guess that it goes to show you that people with money oftentimes have the same problems or worse than those with little money. Again, sad, sad, sad...

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I wonder what the neighbor, Roxie Weaver meant in this interview when she said the girls were "a little bit different"? She wasn't referring to their appearance, so what did she mean by "different"?
VIDEO:
http://www.ocregister.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1127694947&bclid=1125901233&bctid=1576242203

 

[JBean]

BREAKING NEWS: Family identified. Details coming

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/giudice-sheriff-family-2051863-department-bodies

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Guns found near bodies of dead family members
From KTLA
1:30 PM PDT, May 26, 2008
Investigators have released the names of five family members whose bodies were found badly decomposed inside a multimillion dollar home in Orange County over the holiday weekend.

The bodies of twin sisters, Grace and Margaux Ucar in their early 20s, a grandmother in her 70s, and a husband and wife in their 40s or 50s were found by relatives Sunday afternoon inside the exclusive, gated community of Sea View Estates in San Clemente.



Map of where bodies were found SundayInvestigators say two guns were found near the bodies.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-slay27-20008may27,0,1234694.story

 

[i.b.nora]

"The dead are Manas Ucar, 58; his wife, Margrit, 49; and twin daughters, Grace and Margo, both 21. Also found was Margrit Ucar's 72-year-old mother, Fransuhi Kesisoglu, said sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Erin Giudice.

Manas and Margrit Ucar originally immigrated from Turkey and the grandmother was a legal resident from Turkey, she said."

 

[Floh]

The family that owned the house, the Ucars, had twin daughters in their early 20s, Grace, left, and Margaux, right, said Roxie Weaver, a neighbor. “You could hardly tell (the twins) apart because they always dressed exactly alike

Gosh, those girls were beautiful. not that that makes any difference at all.