GUILTY CA - Former NFL star, Kellen Winslow Jr. Threatened To Murder Women After He Raped Them, 2018

[clearskies1]

I don't like how this is going. Seems there is someone ornery on the jury.

 

[Laughing]

#KellenWinslow - Reviewing what the jury has asked for: Note #3 - "The Jurors could benefit from an explanation as to what being under oath means. Additionally, how we should follow the law and not what we think the law should mean."


OH OH. That^^^ sounds like they have a hung jury. They have at least one juror that doesn't want to 'follow the law' and doesn't understand what 'under oath' means?

I agree with your conclusion. Yes, I invested several days in a jury room with several people who think sexual assault doesn't exist.

 

[Jewels53]

I agree with your conclusion. Yes, I invested several days in a jury room with several people who think sexual assault doesn't exist.

I agree and could say more but will leave it at that. jmo

 

[Jewels53]

Jurors in the Kellen Winslow II rape trial had just finished having some previous testimony read back to them Friday afternoon when the foreperson slipped a hand-written note to the bailiff on the way out of the courtroom.

It contained two unusual requests that drew a seemingly incredulous reaction from Judge Blaine K. Bowman.

“The jurors could benefit from an explanation as to what being under oath means,” the first part of the note said. Underneath was a second request that read, “Additionally, how we should follow the law and not what we think the law means.”

Kellen Winslow II trial: Jury sends bizarre note to judge during deliberations

 

[Betty P]

Jurors in the Kellen Winslow II rape trial had just finished having some previous testimony read back to them Friday afternoon when the foreperson slipped a hand-written note to the bailiff on the way out of the courtroom.

It contained two unusual requests that drew a seemingly incredulous reaction from Judge Blaine K. Bowman.

“The jurors could benefit from an explanation as to what being under oath means,” the first part of the note said. Underneath was a second request that read, “Additionally, how we should follow the law and not what we think the law means.”

Kellen Winslow II trial: Jury sends bizarre note to judge during deliberations

 

[roche.analisa]

Jurors request clarifications as they decide Winslow's fate

 

[katydid23]

“The jurors could benefit from an explanation as to what being under oath means,” the first part of the note said. Underneath was a second request that read, “Additionally, how we should follow the law and not what we think the law means.”


It sounds to me like 11 of the jurors are in agreement. And one of them is following their own interpretation of the law, and it is frustrating the rest of them.

Three possible outcomes come to mind:

1. Miraculously, they convince the outlier to come onboard. [ unlikely, imo]

2. They come to the judge and say they cannot come to agreement, and a mistrial is called. [ I hope not]

3. My hope is that the judge talks to the lone juror, and if the judge decides that this juror is being irrational, uncooperative, and out of order, he can replace the juror and they can start deliberations over.

 

[Laughing]

“The jurors could benefit from an explanation as to what being under oath means,” the first part of the note said. Underneath was a second request that read, “Additionally, how we should follow the law and not what we think the law means.”


It sounds to me like 11 of the jurors are in agreement. And one of them is following their own interpretation of the law, and it is frustrating the rest of them.

Three possible outcomes come to mind:

1. Miraculously, they convince the outlier to come onboard. [ unlikely, imo]

2. They come to the judge and say they cannot come to agreement, and a mistrial is called. [ I hope not]

3. My hope is that the judge talks to the lone juror, and if the judge decides that this juror is being irrational, uncooperative, and out of order, he can replace the juror and they can start deliberations over.

Or, 7 of the jurors are in agreement, and 5 of the jurors have 5 different ways to think sexual assault doesn't exist, or that it was the victim's own fault for being there in the first place, or victim asked for it getting in his car in the first place, or being too attractive in those workout clothes, or hey just plain being female.

Yeah, you already know how I came to this conclusion.

JMHO based on experience and YMMV

Justice for these women & their attacker!

 

[lucylulu]

Jury going on 19 hours of deliberations.
Court TV stated live- lone wolf juror #12 is an experience juror. Served on a jury 2 times previously.

Hopefully we get a verdict today!

 

[lonetraveler]

Waiting for this verdict is like watching paint dry.

 

[lucylulu]

Jury on break.

Jury has a note.

The note says they have a decision on 4 of the 12 counts

They will address the note at 3pm with the attorneys.

 

[lonetraveler]

Note is that jury have reached a decision for four of the twelve counts. At Pacific time 3:00 judge will address the note. Waiting for people to get to courthouse.

 

[lucylulu]

copy of note

 

[Jewels53]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson
BREAKING: The #KellenWinslow jury says they have reached a verdict on 4 of the 12 counts. That's all we know at this point.

 

[clearskies1]

I have a feeling there are some stealth not guilty jurors, especially regarding the rape charges.

 

[Jewels53]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson
#KellenWinslow - The only Jane Doe that has four charges is Jane Doe #5 - The 77-year-old woman that says Winslow masturbated next to her in a jacuzzi at a gym. Could that be the 4 out of the 12?

 

[lucylulu]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson
#KellenWinslow - The only Jane Doe that has four charges is Jane Doe #5 - The 77-year-old woman that says Winslow masturbated next to her in a jacuzzi at a gym. Could that be the 4 out of the 12?

Aren't those counts all misdemeanors.... oh nooo!

 

[clearskies1]

Seems like women jurors are hanging tough -- not caving to an NG verdict on the felonies.

 

[Jewels53]

Aren't those counts all misdemeanors.... oh nooo!

Yes!

 

[lonetraveler]

Really don't know what to make of this information.