GUILTY CA - Forrest Hayes, 51, dies of heroin OD on yacht, Santa Cruz, 23 Nov 2013

[SophieRose]

KRON4 reports that the yacht moved to Alameda marina and is for sale for $345,000. Tour of the inside.

http://news.kron4.com/news/video-yacht-where-google-exec-died-now-on-sale-in-alameda/

 

[threelittlebirdies]

Ummm....ok. You are aware, I'm sure, that we are free to express our opinions here, right?

ETA: This was in reply to Tugela's reply to me, below:
She was probably high herself at the time. You can't expect someone like that to react the way you might, so it is not wise to extrapolate from how you imagine you might act and expect others to do the same.

ETAA: After reading Tugela's reply (above), again, I'm not sure how I expected her to react the way I would, but...ok. I was only explaining why "I" (personally) felt her actions were cold, or evil. As I said, it's early. I need at least one more cup of coffee!

She pure evil and demon possessed. She has no soul maybe she did at one point but she sold her soul in exchange for drugs and money. No one with a soul walks over a dying person 8 times sipping a glass of red wine and disposing of the drugs you lethally injected into them. High or not high that is PURE EVIL!!!!

 

[time]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-escort-google-exec-captain-video-20140711-story.html

Police say Tichelman injected herself with heroin and then administered a dose to Hayes, who subsequently slipped into unconsciousness and collapsed.

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The ship's captain, meanwhile, will be a witness in the case, police said.

Well, good maybe then he will be identified... what jerk not giving them access to the surveillance tapes and not wanting to be named due to 'discretion' of his clients. Give me a break, some guy is dead.

 

[Ausgirl]

I'll bet the other execs are shaking in their Chipkos. I pity the families that will no doubt be torn apart by this trifling hooker.

Yes, I bet there's many men shaking in their shoes.

But is it (I am speaking generally here, re hookers) *really* all the hooker's fault, if a family is torn apart? I mean - the man is the one who goes looking for a hooker, he's the one who pays for her services, he's the one making the choice to cheat on his wife....

 

[possumheart]

Observations:

"Yeah, she’s a real sweetheart,” Santa Cruz police Deputy Chief Steven Clark says. “You just take a look at some of the comments, it tells you the character of this individual. It shows you really the ego-centric nature of who she is. It shows you just really a real dark side to her personality. We know that when we arrested her, she thought she was coming for a date with our officer. We know that when we arrested her, she had drugs in her possession. She had a fully loaded needle and syringe with heroin in it. So we know that she continued with this pattern of behavior even after having experienced these deaths. It’s shocking to look at. It’s shocking to look at this information and to think that somebody this successful as Mr. Hayes would have ended up with this person in his life. It’s unfortunate and it’s tragic.”
http://news.kron4.com/news/video-police-say-accused-call-girl-and-killer-alix-tichelman-is-a-real-sweetheart/

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hmmmm, I find myself not at all shocked.
Heroin addicts aren't exactly reacting or behaving normally.

Did she hold this guy down?

Seems to me he was complicit and all too willing to take the risk he did.

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[Linda7NJ]

I've seen her "live" on tv (vs. in a photo, alone). If she wasn't wasted during live court proceedings, then yeah, she looks evil to me. Her eyes, her expressions, her lack of expression....she sure doesn't look like a girl scout selling cookies. And knowing that she "allegedly" shot him up with heroin, and then casually sipped her wine while his life slipped away, and then closed the blinds so no one would see him....that to me, those actions, are evil, and what she is in her heart, shows in her face, imo. If that's what heroin does to you, then I guess it's evil, as well. If that offends you, I'm sorry for that...but not sorry for how I feel.

I just don't see her actions as evil. IMO he probably appeared to nod out ...and she left. Probably had no idea he was dead.
He probably wasn't a regular user. Why would she leave evidence of what they were doing? She wouldn't want to ruin a good thing.

She was a prostitute and an addict. He knew exactly what she was. IMO this says more about him than it does her.






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[SophieRose]

video
http://news.kron4.com/news/video-fr...er-alix-tichelman-is-sweet-and-misunderstood/

KRON 4′s Maureen Kelly spoke with the friend of Tichelman who didn’t want to be named. The woman says Tichelman was adopted by a wealthy family in Folsom. Her adopted dad is also a CEO. The classmate says the adoptive parents misunderstood Tichelman. She says while Tichelman has a “dark aura”, the Alix she knew was sweet and loyal.

 

[possumheart]

I just don't see her actions as evil. IMO he probably appeared to nod out ...and she left. Probably had no idea he was dead.

He was clutching his chest, not dozing - and she googled to find out her responsibilities, so she knew, Linda.

 

[Ausgirl]

Hayes had employed Tichelman's services before (along with that of other women..). I sincerely doubt he was not aware of her habit.

While I for sure see how it's easy to get all worked up into the whole 'Black Widow' thing, via reading the media, the fact is that people who take heroin die. All the time. Especially people who aren't used it, or are also high on other drugs.

I had 12 friends in a single year pass away from heroin and other drug use. I was the ONLY one not taking drugs, and all my friends died, one after the other. Talk about feeling like an angel of death. And these were *experienced* junkies, people who'd been addicted for a few years and all knew how to dose themselves. So why'd they die? They were junkies, is why, and not always aware of the quality or the quantity of the drugs they took, when high.

Not making excuses, or defending this woman at all - but I can't get all worked up into hysterically demonising her. She's just a drug addict. The guy who hired her for sex on his boat -- *again* -- was not necessarily an unwilling recipient of the drugs. I will bet she gave him the same hit she herself took. Ie, a LOT more than he might have tried before, or been used to.

As I and other posters have already said, leaving someone who has OD'd is pretty standard addict behaviour also.

Murder (intentionally killing him) - I don't think so. Manslaughter, and whatever charges apply to leaving him to die like that - for sure, and I hope they throw the book at her.

 

[Sarahlou]

Yes, I bet there's many men shaking in their shoes.

But is it (I am speaking generally here, re hookers) *really* all the hooker's fault, if a family is torn apart? I mean - the man is the one who goes looking for a hooker, he's the one who pays for her services, he's the one making the choice to cheat on his wife....

exactly. It is the men who tear their families apart, not the hookers.

 

[time]

exactly. It is the men who tear their families apart, not the hookers.

Also agree, and in this case I think he asked for the heroin too and maybe not the first time. Geez, come on, the guy had everything and he had to have a yacht a hooker and hard drugs? Ugh, I hope this wakes up the new silicon valley... it now sounds like the old boys club instead of nerds and innovation. However, I do wonder if she put more into the injection than what he bargained for ... doing heroin in your 50s though? She was evidently doing heroin that night also. No need to keep on about the whole 'evil' bit, she's a drug addict and it's difficult to tell when her morality went down the tubes. My brother shot up in the late 60s/early 70s after vietnam, as well as doing other hard drugs... I believe he lost a few brain cells in the morality area... he did go on to get a degree after that and functioned ok on the analytical end unless it had to do with human relations.

 

[danzn16]

If I allowed someone to shoot me up with heroin, whatever then happened to me would be 100%my fault. Would I be surprised that this person that I hardly know would want to run and not be around if something went bad? No. His decision, his payment. I have no idea how we would be able to tell what she intended. Did she think he was passed out and left him to sleep it off? Did she intentionally give him more than he should have? Who knows. It's his bad personal decisions that got him where he is today. I would like to see the surveillance video of the incident to maybe get a better idea of her. I lean more towards manslaughter than murder


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[Linda7NJ]

If I allowed someone to shoot me up with heroin, whatever then happened to me would be 100%my fault. Would I be surprised that this person that I hardly know would want to run and not be around if something went bad? No. His decision, his payment. I have no idea how we would be able to tell what she intended. Did she think he was passed out and left him to sleep it off? Did she intentionally give him more than he should have? Who knows. It's his bad personal decisions that got him where he is today. I would like to see the surveillance video of the incident to maybe get a better idea of her. I lean more towards manslaughter than murder


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I would be unable to find her guilty of that either. IMO


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[danzn16]

Well, it must be wonderful to be able to detect pure evil.

In lieu of that ability, what I'm seeing is typical wasting from heroin (and probably other drug) addiction. That hard, haggard look... is why all those super skinny models have faces like old boots without a ton of makeup on.

I keep thinking of this man's wife -- imagine having small children, and learning that your husband had died. Then imagine learning that he died on a yacht from a heroin overdose administered by a prostitute. And then this is ALL over the news, everywhere, so everyone knows, all your friends, everyone at your kids' schools and their parents, the whole world knows that your husband was cheating on you with a drug addicted hooker who killed him with heroin.

And also that he'd been seeing her regularly for some time..

I would be running out to have myself tested for diseases... and maybe my younger kids, as well. How would you even mourn a man who did that to you? Gods, this poor woman.

Lol!

I just love all your posts by the way! Seen you in many of the threads I've been following in lately. You are a great contributor here :seeya:


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[SophieRose]

I don't understand why the exec was doing heroin with the hooker, I've never heard it to be a sexual enhancer.

 

[quesarita]

I suppose the autopsy could show if he (the dead exec) had ever used heroin before or if this was the first time? This happened only 2 months after she watched another man die from a heroin od she administered? A man whose friend said would never have used heroin?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't understand why the exec was doing heroin with the hooker, I've never heard it to be a sexual enhancer.

IMO he was bored and looking for a thrill?

Seems to me, men that "have it all" often get themselves into all sorts of trouble. IMO


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[danzn16]

i just learned something today from reading different things about this truly mentally disturbed and vile woman. there is belief called "Sanpaku eyes" *** and apparently a lot of people with severe psychological/mental issues have this. and you can see it in people like charles manson, adam lanza, hitler and even this woman Alix (to name a few)
there is no scientific fact behind it. i had just heard about it so i did some reading LOL im not saying i believe it (reminds me of handwriting analysis or card reading), but i thought it was interesting and I thought id share what i was reading based on your posts about her evil looks.

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it literally had me going to look in a mirror to look at my eyes @@

So then according to this the world is out to get her since she has whites below her eyes? Hmm

Poor people with Graves' disease that have whites all around. Having nothing to do with mental illness at that.

Idk about this


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[Linda7NJ]

I suppose the autopsy could show if he (the dead exec) had ever used heroin before or if this was the first time? This happened only 2 months after she watched another man die from a heroin od she administered? A man whose friend said would never have used heroin?

Heroin is cheap and everywhere now.
From affluent high-schools to boardrooms.
And it's just not the "druggies" doing it. It's the captain of the football team, honor roll students....CEOs...
It's pervasive.


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