GUILTY CA - Forrest Hayes, 51, dies of heroin OD on yacht, Santa Cruz, 23 Nov 2013

[danzn16]

When I was in college there was a guy in one of my classes who said that he had shot heroin a number of times, he said one more time and he would have been addicted. I wish I remember the number he said but it wasn't too many, maybe five or six, but he probably did them over a short period of time. He also said that if he were to commit suicide he would do it with a heroin overdose.

Before yesterday's hearing, it was said they were going to charge her with second degree murder, I couldn't see how they could prove that. Like you say, she's a junkie. How does she withdraw while in jail?

I think I'm not so shocked the exec was seeing a call girl as I am that he was using heroin.

Heroin withdrawal isn't fun. But it's not particularly deadly like alcohol or benzo withdrawal. That's an interesting question on how it's handled in jail. Do they go to medical or left to suffer in their cell?


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[Linda7NJ]

Heroin withdrawal isn't fun. But it's not particularly deadly like alcohol or benzo withdrawal. That's an interesting question on how it's handled in jail. Do they go to medical or left to suffer in their cell?


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I would imagine they're given methadone?


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[quesarita]

I'm sure it is pervasive, but i haven't seen any information that this guy had used it before.

 

[danzn16]

She pure evil and demon possessed. She has no soul maybe she did at one point but she sold her soul in exchange for drugs and money. No one with a soul walks over a dying person 8 times sipping a glass of red wine and disposing of the drugs you lethally injected into them. High or not high that is PURE EVIL!!!!

Is the surveillance tape publicly released? I can't make up my mind for certain without seeing that. People sleep when taking heroin, how do we know she didn't think he was sleeping? I just can't label her an evil demon just yet.
Maybe she left him to sleep it off because there's nothing for her to do there while he's out. Maybe closing that blind was giving him privacy, covering up his drug use.

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[SophieRose]

It looks like the exec's house is for sale. Bought it in 2011 for $3 million, on the market for several months now for $4.2 million.

 

[quesarita]

Is the surveillance tape publicly released? I can't make up my mind for certain without seeing that. People sleep when taking heroin, how do we know she didn't think he was sleeping? I just can't label her an evil demon just yet.
Maybe she left him to sleep it off because there's nothing for her to do there while he's out. Maybe closing that blind was giving him privacy, covering up his drug use.
"From surveillance video taken on the victim's boat, he is seen suffering medical problems and lapsing into unconsciousness in the presence of Tichelman, who failed to assist him or call 911 for help, Clark said."
Again, this happened just two months after she watched her boyfriend die from a heroin overdose she administered, and not long after a different boyfriend went to jail for giving a woman a fatal overdose.

Huh. I keep trying to post this and getting a message that my post is too short and needs at least 5 characters?

 

[i.b.nora]

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http://abc7chicago.com/news/alix-ti...ogle-exec-forrest-timothy-hayes-death/173921/

 

[danzn16]

But becoming unconscious can be called "seen suffering medical problems" in the eyes of LE. We don't know if he had a seizure or what was seen on the video. It's still his responsibility for doing heroin. I would absolutely expect a call girl to skip out on me if I was in his shoes. What motive would she have to off this man that pays her big bucks to hang out on a yacht and do her drug of choice?


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[quesarita]

But becoming unconscious can be called "seen suffering medical problems" in the eyes of LE. We don't know if he had a seizure or what was seen on the video. It's still his responsibility for doing heroin. I would absolutely expect a call girl to skip out on me if I was in his shoes. What motive would she have to off this man that pays her big bucks to hang out on a yacht and do her drug of choice?


Eh, I don't know. If she got help and saved his life, she might have expected some financial reward, or blackmail even, if she didn't care about his life. But whoops! Maybe she realized it would look suspicious to call 911 AGAIN to report she'd given a 2nd guy an overdose. How unlucky is this poor call girl?

 

[Linda7NJ]

But becoming unconscious can be called "seen suffering medical problems" in the eyes of LE. We don't know if he had a seizure or what was seen on the video. It's still his responsibility for doing heroin. I would absolutely expect a call girl to skip out on me if I was in his shoes. What motive would she have to off this man that pays her big bucks to hang out on a yacht and do her drug of choice?


Eh, I don't know. If she got help and saved his life, she might have expected some financial reward, or blackmail even, if she didn't care about his life. But whoops! Maybe she realized it would look suspicious to call 911 AGAIN to report she'd given a 2nd guy an overdose. How unlucky is this poor call girl?

Illicit Drugs kill .....everyday.

I thought everyone knew how dangerous IV drugs were??? No???



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[quesarita]

Illicit Drugs kill .....everyday.

I thought everyone knew how dangerous IV drugs were??? No???

For sure. My point was that this woman had a more acute understanding of just how dangerous than most people or even most addicts and she still had no reaction to his "medical complications."

 

[SophieRose]

Is the surveillance tape publicly released? I can't make up my mind for certain without seeing that. People sleep when taking heroin, how do we know she didn't think he was sleeping? I just can't label her an evil demon just yet.
Maybe she left him to sleep it off because there's nothing for her to do there while he's out. Maybe closing that blind was giving him privacy, covering up his drug use.
"From surveillance video taken on the victim's boat, he is seen suffering medical problems and lapsing into unconsciousness in the presence of Tichelman, who failed to assist him or call 911 for help, Clark said."
Again, this happened just two months after she watched her boyfriend die from a heroin overdose she administered, and not long after a different boyfriend went to jail for giving a woman a fatal overdose.

I don't see this as a murder 2 case, but I do think it should be tried as a manslaughter case as it is. She did google his name several times after she left that day to see what happened, so she at least knew he was probably not just asleep.

 

[i.b.nora]

Folks, when you click the 'Reply With Quote' button, in the box that appears, scroll to after the end of the quote which is indicated in the text by [/QUOTE]. Do not delete that. Just start your reply after that.

 

[quesarita]

http://khon2.com/2014/07/12/prostit...her-drug-related-death-reopens-investigation/
"Georgia authorities re-opened the Riopelle case because the circumstances were too similar to ignore.

In both cases, the individuals seem to have died of an overdose in what appears to be their first time in using heroin."

 

[SophieRose]

The nanny to Dean Riopelle's two children talks about Tichelman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-turned-call-girl-killer-Alix-Tichelman.html

Khristina recalled: 'A week or two after [he died] she left for California. She didn’t really love him or care for him, she just wanted his money. She was a gold digger but whatever she did she kept a great fit, toned body and she could easily wrap men around her finger'.

 

[Ausgirl]

BUT it's not like either of these men did not know she was a hooker/on drugs.

As for it being their first time taking heroin -- in Hayes' case, the only reason we know he regularly employed hookers (including Tichelman) is that he died. There was "no evidence" for that either, before he OD'd. How can anyone *possibly* know what he took or did not take. The man was all about hookers, didn't mind addicts, and had more money than Croesus. It's not a stretch to imagine that he might have experimented with drugs, at the least.

Riopelle had oxycodone (a semi-synthesised opiate drug) and alcohol in his system when he died, as well. Oxys are a famously abused medication and can mess with your heart if you take too much (I have been on super high doses for pain management, it is a dangerous and highly addictive medication that requires caution) -- I cannot imagine mixing it with alcohol. That alone *might* have killed him. I don't think he was precisely the squeaky-clean rock star and club owner he's being portrayed as.

When people die, they become saints though.

 

[threelittlebirdies]

She did not pull him up on the sofa are in a chair or check to see if he was breathing. Falling onto the floor and lying their while she walked over him several time with wine in her hands does not seem like "oh maybe he fell asleep so let me just gather my drugs and syringe, draw the blinds and leave" come on, really?

Also, if she felt he asleep and didn't think he was dead why did she promptly go home and search the internet "administer lethal dose of heroin and leaving" am I responsible, researching and planning her defense. In conclusion, no she did not think he just fell asleep the second after she shot his arm up. She knew the drill because she killed Dean with lethal dose 2 months prior. Who knows have many more times that we do not know of.

 

[Linda7NJ]

She did not pull him up on the sofa are in a chair or check to see if he was breathing. Falling onto the floor and lying their while she walked over him several time with wine in her hands does not seem like "oh maybe he fell asleep so let me just gather my drugs and syringe, draw the blinds and leave" come on, really?

Also, if she felt he asleep and didn't think he was dead why did she promptly go home and search the internet "administer lethal dose of heroin and leaving" am I responsible, researching and planning her defense. In conclusion, no she did not think he just fell asleep the second after she shot his arm up. She knew the drill because she killed Dean with lethal dose 2 months prior. Who knows have many more times that we do not know of.

People do heroin to dull their senses. I don't think someone high on heroin cares much about anything. That's the entire point of using it.
IMO


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[SophieRose]

Do you think the undercover agent requested heroin or she always had her kit fully prepared?

http://www.people.com/article/googl...e-alix-tichelman-forrest-hayes-another-victim

"When we arrested her, she had heroin in her possession and she had a fully loaded needle with heroin in it," Santa Cruz Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark says. "That tells you she had every intention of maybe doing the same thing in what she thought was the date with us."

 

[Linda7NJ]

Do you think the undercover agent requested heroin or she always had her kit fully prepared?

http://www.people.com/article/googl...e-alix-tichelman-forrest-hayes-another-victim

"When we arrested her, she had heroin in her possession and she had a fully loaded needle with heroin in it," Santa Cruz Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark says. "That tells you she had every intention of maybe doing the same thing in what she thought was the date with us."

A heroin addict had heroin in her possession?
No surprise there....IMO


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