CA CA - Hugues de la Plaza, 36, San Francisco, 2 June 2007

[WHITEFANG]

I think that could be part of the challenge the cops face. That is, obtaining DNA samples from others may require a legal demand, probable cause, etc,. if it isn't volunteered. Issuing a subpoena or court order to obtain DNA might involve legalities that could jeopardize the investigation.

 

[SunnieRN]

I think that could be part of the challenge the cops face. That is, obtaining DNA samples from others may require a legal demand, probable cause, etc,. if it isn't volunteered. Issuing a subpoena or court order to obtain DNA might involve legalities that could jeopardize the investigation.

Or might solve the case also.

Lets start with hair type and color. Not everyone is blond or brunette, red head etc. Also, some hair is straight, some curly, some fine and some course. Similar hair type and color should present probable cause if they knew the victim.:waitasec:

 

[WHITEFANG]

Steely Dan made this comment earlier. "I thought there was some kind of shenanigans going on with the police refusing to let 48 hours hear the tape. I thought it was to hide their incompetence but now I wonder if it's to hide a part of their investigation.
When the French police came over I wonder if they shared that info with them. The coroner may be keeping it a suicide so Melissa will stay involved and eventually slip up on something. JMO"

This might explain a lot. Say, hypothetically, they consider Melissa a serious suspect. Given her vociferous accusations of negligence, incompetence and willful mishandling, might that explain the SFPD’S more cautious approach in dealing with her? If they cross some vague fine line, perhaps a good defense lawyer could develop a claim of retaliation and jeopardize a successful prosecution. There are no statues of limitation on murder, so they hope to use time to their advantage.
Then again, I’m reminded of Seinfeld’s sidekicks, those shrewd, streetwise, sleuths of his who said, “Well, there is always the possibility that you have gone completely out of your mind. “

 

[Kenon]

The police were the ones that went into his house and found him. So who and when did someone report the expensive silverware missing? Who would think to look for that to see if it was missing? That is really odd to me. Out of all the things to go missing silverware is odd, unless it's a personal thing.

 

[Kenon]

Colored by me.

He didn't see the blood when he went by Hughes' place beforre? :waitasec:

Steely Dan, I think that was the first time Zamara went to his house on the Monday when he didn't show up for work.

 

[WHITEFANG]

"Who discovered the silverware was missing?" His parents? Melissa had his apartment cleansed by the following Saturday in time for their arrival in San Fran. I suppose they inventoried his belongings. It may have been a wedding present. Anyway, perhaps they were the first to be .aware it was missing.

But, it doesn't follow necessarily that it was stolen, or stolen that morning, either. How could anyone know for sure the silverware was missing as a result of what happened on June 2nd? He could have sold it beforehand. Maybe he loaned it to someone. It could have been stolen on another occasion.

 

[Kenon]

Whitefang, That's exactly what I am thinking who knew when that silverware went missing? He could have gotten rid of it at anytime. It didn't have to be when something happened to him. The weird part is that it was mentioned after he expired like it was stolen or something. The reason I bring it up is because it's stated what happened to him and silverware was missing in the same article. That would lead us to believe it happened at the same time. It's very personal. I don't even believe the parents or any friends would remember about silverware when their loved one was dead unless it's a close close friend that knows about it or gave it to him, or had some kind of meaning for both of them behind it. Hope this makes sense.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Good point about silverware. Who, who would notice that, besides a close, close friend?
He took enormous risks pursuing married women, as he did the night of his murder. She was divorced later in the year. Zamara asks her to contact him right away. I assume to clear her husband.

This is a cool insight about M from SnowAngels, "to find SOLITUDE in being the face of "justice.""

 

[WHITEFANG]

If you lost a former lover, one you broke up with four years earlier, would you create a website to honor him and to mourn his passing with a gallery of pictures of the two of you as a couple? Mind you, you were the one who ended it. Doesn't make sense.
You caused him, "pain" to your endless regret, yet you move across the country to see if you can reunite 6 months before he's murdered. Weren't you fearful of causing him pain once again if you couldn't commit to a relationship with him a second time?

Not buying it.

She was obsessed with him instantly. She never ended anything. He was never committed to her in the first place. She stalked him to San Fran in 2003. She didn't break it off in October, 2003. He tried to get away from her, but she wouldn't hear of it. She pursued him the entire time she was in S.F. which continued uninterrupted until mid-2005. She tried to make him miss her by relocating for a year to Virginia, but that didn't work, either; she returned to S.F. in November 2006 for another go round. But, he is still not interested in a relationship with her. She cannot tolerate that reality. After years of failure to form a committed relationship with him, it finally begins to sink in. He was never going to be hers. That is not acceptable. And, all the while he's busy with a host of other females.
Her best bet, her best strategy not to be caught is to champion the cause to find his killer. If she let's the police play with the suicide theory without objecting, they may sense she accepts that bazaar theory too easily for a reason. They may figure she wants the whole thing to go down as suicide. But it is a trap. They know it isn't suicide. They know she knows it isn't suicide. If she accepts that theory without a fight, anyway, they've got her. So, she does the opposite, confident she's done the crime without leaving too much evidence, and goes crazy exposing the suicide theory as preposterous. My humble opinion

 

[Kenon]

If you lost a former lover, one you broke up with four years earlier, would you create a website to honor him and to mourn his passing with a gallery of pictures of the two of you as a couple? Mind you, you were the one who ended it. Doesn't make sense.
You caused him, "pain" to your endless regret, yet you move across the country to see if you can reunite 6 months before he's murdered. Weren't you fearful of causing him pain once again if you couldn't commit to a relationship with him a second time?

Not buying it.

She was obsessed with him instantly. She never ended anything. He was never committed to her in the first place. She stalked him to San Fran in 2003. She didn't break it off in October, 2003. He tried to get away from her, but she wouldn't hear of it. She pursued him the entire time she was in S.F. which continued uninterrupted until mid-2005. She tried to make him miss her by relocating for a year to Virginia, but that didn't work, either; she returned to S.F. in November 2006 for another go round. But, he is still not interested in a relationship with her. She cannot tolerate that reality. After years of failure to form a committed relationship with him, it finally begins to sink in. He was never going to be hers. That is not acceptable. And, all the while he's busy with a host of other females.
Her best bet, her best strategy not to be caught is to champion the cause to find his killer. If she let's the police play with I suicide theory without objecting, they may sense she accepts that bazaar theory too easily for a reason. They may figure she wants the whole thing to go down as suicide. But it is a trap. They know it isn't suicide. They know she knows it isn't suicide. If she accepts that theory without a fight, anyway, they've got her. So, she does the opposite, confident she's done the crime without leaving too much evidence, and goes crazy exposing the suicide theory as preposterous. My humble opinion

This is a very good theory. I agree with you totally. Whitefang I am a little confused by your post before that. Isn't Zamara the friend that he worked with?. Sorry I am a little lost at the husband part.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Hugues was with a married woman on June 1, 2007. He told Zamara about it later at the club. "It didn't go well." She was divorced later that year. Zamara understands the possible connection between Hugues' death and his association with this woman the evening he was murdered. So, on Nix's website for Hugues, Zamara posts a request for her to contact him, Virginie I think she goes by, apparently to see if she knows anything about Hugues' death.

 

[Kenon]

Hugues was with a married woman on June 1, 2007. He told Zamara about it later at the club. "It didn't go well." She was divorced later that year. Zamara understands the possible connection between Hugues' death and his association with this woman the evening he was murdered. So, on Nix's website for Hugues, Zamara posts a request for her to contact him, Virginie I think she goes by, apparently to see if she knows anything about Hugues' death.

Ok gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I missed the part where the woman that he went out with that night was married. I also never read she was divorce later that year. So Whitefang, do you think the Woman's husband was cleared?

 

[WHITEFANG]

I don't know.

 

[Kenon]

Thank you. I wish there was so much more info on this case.

 

[WHITEFANG]

this is a picture of the crime scene nix offered media outlets dated 6/9/2007, a Saturday, one week after hugues was found. she is having it cleaned by a special service from out of town before his parents arrive from France. generally, do cops allow crime scenes to be managed, photographed and cleaned by potential suspects? has anyone considered what taking this picture suggests about her? if you entered the blood soaked crime scene of your "one true love...the love of your life, your baby boy, your best friend" would you be interested, prepared and capable, emotionally, of photographing the bloodbath? would you volunteer to take responsibility to have it cleaned? wouldn't a normal reaction consist of utter revulsion at even the thought of the blood of your loved one, let alone a desire to immerse yourself in it?

 

[Kenon]

this is a picture of the crime scene nix offered media outlets dated 6/9/2007, a Saturday, one week after hugues was found. she is having it cleaned by a special service from out of town before his parents arrive from France. generally, do cops allow crime scenes to be managed, photographed and cleaned by potential suspects? has anyone considered what taking this picture suggests about her? if you entered the blood soaked crime scene of your "one true love...the love of your life, your baby boy, your best friend" would you be interested, prepared and capable, emotionally, of photographing the bloodbath? would you volunteer to take responsibility to have it cleaned? wouldn't a normal reaction consist of utter revulsion at even the thought of the blood of your loved one, let alone a desire to immerse yourself in it?

No I would not be able to do anything like that because I would be so distraught it isn't even funny. Very interesting. I did have a boyfriend that died and I didn't get over it for more than a year. I couldn't get rid of anything of his. It's a very strange thing. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[SnowAngels]

So any ideas on how we can find out once and for all how Melissa was notified about this death??? Or are we giving up on going down that road? I certainly hope not, as I feel the truth behind this matter will be very telling.

 

[WHITEFANG]

They are unwilling to say. No one will come forward with the name. No one. They have a duty to do so. They repeatedly ask for the help of the public. One poster said Hugues didn't use discretion when he placed and answered ads on San Fran's underground. Hugues' friends responded immediately, asking the poster for more information. None has responded to requests for this person's name.
Guess what? It may be that this is where the mystery ends. There was no caller.

 

[WHITEFANG]

The french version of the 48 Hours piece was shown in ca recently. it was advertised in local california media. Presenters to explain and answer questions included everyone on earth except for you know who. That's right. for the first time, m is not the person in the spotlight. her name is conspicuously absent. perhaps she feels the pressure from those who question her account of her whereabouts. oddly, she just ignores the swelling demand of her to come forward with that exculpatory bit of evidence.
you can fool some, some
you can fool all, some
you can't fool all, all

 

[WHITEFANG]

in light of the fact that no one is willing or able to come forward with the name of the caller, let's submit a petition to the "coalition for justice" demanding their cooperation in this matter, or a convincing reason to withhold it. this organization blasted and continues to blast the detectives, the me, the cops, the mayor of s.f. and the police chief for a myriad of reasons. they started a petition demanding action. all we want is the name of the person who informed melissa nix of hugues' death while she was somewhere on the east coast or an admission that there was no such call and no one informed her. they have asked for citizens' to help numerous times. we ask for theirs', now, in this simple, straightforward demand. RELEASE THE NAME of Hugues' and Melissa's friend(s) who informed her of his death.