GUILTY CA - Israel Ledesma-Moreno for kidnap of 3yo boy, San Bernardino, 2009

[bogeygal]

What happened to the news conference we were promised from San Bernadino LE?

Mike G. on HLN is almost over. I could have made dinner by now waiting all that time!

 

[JBean]

Here in Cali the Amber alerts go up on all the freeway sigalert signs. They had nothing to post because the idea is to have all the eyes on our freeways looking at plates. Vehicle description all over our roads is our biggest tool and it was useless.
Even after the AA was called, the signs remained empty.
They are referring to it around here as a "modifed" AA. So, it definitely raises the issue of how to get the information out to places that it will be helpful when there is no vehicle.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

On the Local News here they just spoke with LE regarding sketches of the kidnappers. Someone had asked Why they didnt put out the sketches sooner and they said because the parents werent up to it. I can understand their grief, but I would have wanted the sketches out ASAP! LE also said there were Billboards up at the Border Crossings with picture of Little Briant. Hopefully they havent taken him across the border already..


http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_12292636

 

[TakeNote]

The guidelines suggest it, but it is not a requirement to have a vehicle listed to send out an AA. Here, the AA is put out on a case by case basis. If they cannot get a description of the car, they put the child's description and the perp's up in order to get it out to the public if they are certain the child is in immediate danger especially if they know the child has been abducted. (This is up to the local LE agency to decide when or if to put out an alert.) While people may not have a vehicle to search for...they can be aware of the descriptions at gas stations, rest stops, or even sitting in the car next to them at traffic lights.

Marc K. is exactly right about them wasting so much time in case after case because LE agencies do not understand that guidelines are not RULES to live by...but should be used on a case by case basis. They are suggested for what is a premium not what should be the minimum of information to go out when a child goes missing. I have been kvetching about this since the AA began! They need to revise the "guidelines" so that agencies across the country understand them and use them appropriately.

thank you so much for saying this!!!!

my eyes have been opened...now what can I do to help in this?....im in wa state....i havent even looked up our amber info...how do i find that?....

if you can point me....i will work on it....and if there is anything else i can do....let me know....im not good at this stuff....but i do want to see some changes made....the AA is an awesome start...but as time goes by and we learn and it seems that in this day and age things are getting worse for our children....there will need to be adjustments to insure our children stay safe....and in the advent that there is a need....our children deserve...all children deserve the best ....

 

[TakeNote]

why cant they post a pic of the child on the amber alert? do they do that....

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Is it me or does the guy in this pic that TakeNote found look like the heavy set guy they sketched of one of the kidnappers??


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk255/lunac416/106-1.jpg

http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_12292636

 

[Tom'sGirl]

The suspects are both said to be skinny, Spanish-speaking Latino men. One is said to be 18 years old, 5-foot-8 and wearing a black ball cap, blue jeans and a green T-shirt. The second suspect was about 24 years old, 5-foot-10 and was wearing a black shirt, black pants, black boots and a white bandana.​

 

[scandi]

WOW Dolly, he sure does look like him except he doesn't look skinny.

They both look quite individualistic and that might help. It looks like the mom got a good impression of each one and also fortunate they took a whole 20 min to ransack the house! That could be their major faux de pas. Someone is going to recognize these two crackers IMO

 

[scandi]

is it ok to post this pic?

I think it's OK as he is nameless, but our Bean will know ;}

Meanwhile, I'm thinking he could have a full round jawline and still have a skinny body. It all depends on his heredity. It sure looks like him. I wish a local would call the SBPD and see if they have this photo.

There must be some way to do this quickly, as that 72 hour window is almost gone and time is of the essence. xox

 

[scandi]

is it ok to post this pic?

i added the other male in the photo bucket as well....does he look a bit like the other guys?

Whose site is this? A family member?

 

[Tom'sGirl]

WS has never condoned linking information to a Minor.

Linking to random people at MySpace can be very damming to innocent parties.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Authorities Watching Border for Missing San Bernardino Boy
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10304776&Call=Email&Format=HTML[FONT=Arial,Verdana]Authorities are keeping a close watch on the California-Mexico border for signs of a boy who was kidnapped from his home in San Bernardino.[/FONT]

 

[txsvicki]

Either this home invasion happened at the wrong house or there is something going on with someone in the family. I don't believe the kidnappers would bust in with guns, threaten everyone, threaten to shoot anyone to came up, rifle thru the house for 20 minutes, take the kid and mention Mexico, yet not say a word about why and what they want. We're not being told everything. Hopefully the parents are being truthful instead of griping about racial things. The family appearing lower income means nothing though. They could be laundering money for some drug cartel or some family member be involved with drugs all the while living low. To complain about the police asking about all the cars doesn't make sense. It is a Mexican stereoptype, but the police need to ask questions even if it insults them. We're going to be seeing many more of these type crimes just as the guest on Nancy Grace says is already happening.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

thank you so much for saying this!!!!

my eyes have been opened...now what can I do to help in this?....im in wa state....i havent even looked up our amber info...how do i find that?....

if you can point me....i will work on it....and if there is anything else i can do....let me know....im not good at this stuff....but i do want to see some changes made....the AA is an awesome start...but as time goes by and we learn and it seems that in this day and age things are getting worse for our children....there will need to be adjustments to insure our children stay safe....and in the advent that there is a need....our children deserve...all children deserve the best ....

Since you asked! :blowkiss: Now...all I need is for Marc Klaas to read this. :

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3701945#post3701945

 

[SeriouslySearching]

On the Local News here they just spoke with LE regarding sketches of the kidnappers. Someone had asked Why they didnt put out the sketches sooner and they said because the parents werent up to it. I can understand their grief, but I would have wanted the sketches out ASAP! LE also said there were Billboards up at the Border Crossings with picture of Little Briant. Hopefully they havent taken him across the border already..


http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_12292636

I think with the horrific shock of being part of the home invasion and to have your child taken in such a way, the mother may not have given a good description so soon afterwards. While LE would want to have the sketches out immediately... without someone uninvolved to come forward as an eyewitness, their hands were tied.

It does make me wonder in the middle of the afternoon if there weren't eyewitnesses, but the nature of the crime has them silenced. If they were brutal enough to steal their child then coming forward would put their own families at risk.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The suspects are both said to be skinny, Spanish-speaking Latino men. One is said to be 18 years old, 5-foot-8 and wearing a black ball cap, blue jeans and a green T-shirt. The second suspect was about 24 years old, 5-foot-10 and was wearing a black shirt, black pants, black boots and a white bandana.​

Hmmm..not so sure about that sketch artist. Neither one of those appear Latino to me for some reason. Am I just not seeing it?

 

[bogeygal]

I think with the horrific shock of being part of the home invasion and to have your child taken in such a way, the mother may not have given a good description so soon afterwards. While LE would want to have the sketches out immediately... without someone uninvolved to come forward as an eyewitness, their hands were tied.

It does make me wonder in the middle of the afternoon if there weren't eyewitnesses, but the nature of the crime has them silenced. If they were brutal enough to steal their child then coming forward would put their own families at risk.

Agree that if a neighbor or even a passerby witnessed a small child being carried out in broad daylight could be hesitant to get involved, as they may have not known what was actually occurring. When the news broke about the kidnapping, it could have added even more fear to report anything to authorities.

Just hoping and praying for the safe return of Briant. My heart breaks just thinking about how frightening this must be for him.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Agree that if a neighbor or even a passerby witnessed a small child being carried out in broad daylight could be hesitant to get involved, as they may have not known what was actually occurring. When the news broke about the kidnapping, it could have added even more fear to report anything to authorities.

Just hoping and praying for the safe return of Briant. My heart breaks just thinking about how frightening this must be for him.

I read on the Spanish language (La Opinion) newspaper that the Mother said when they picked Briant up, he looked at her like Momma, what are they doing?? Then he started crying and they taped his mouth shut so no one would hear his cries..

 

[SharetheLight]

Here are my thoughts about this case in which nothing adds up.

-maybe the perps broke into the house thinking someone else lived there. do we know who lived there prior to this family. i think it was reported this family only lived there 2 months.

-the perps were mad they couldn't find the car keys, why didn't they just ask one of the 5 family members tied up to tell them where the car keys were?

-are we sure that Briant is the biological child of the man who was at work? maybe Briant is biologically someone else's child and they came for him

-what are the two kids who weren't at home saying about all of this. possible they are the reason for this or they are somehow responsible for this. odd it happened when the man of the house was out.

-how did the perps get to this house? did they just walk up to it? did they drive? if so, why did they need a car to steal?
someone in the neighborhood had to see something.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Here are my thoughts about this case in which nothing adds up.

-maybe the perps broke into the house thinking someone else lived there. do we know who lived there prior to this family. i think it was reported this family only lived there 2 months.

-the perps were mad they couldn't find the car keys, why didn't they just ask one of the 5 family members tied up to tell them where the car keys were?

-are we sure that Briant is the biological child of the man who was at work? maybe Briant is biologically someone else's child and they came for him

-what are the two kids who weren't at home saying about all of this. possible they are the reason for this or they are somehow responsible for this. odd it happened when the man of the house was out.

-how did the perps get to this house? did they just walk up to it? did they drive? if so, why did they need a car to steal?
someone in the neighborhood had to see something.

The Mother was upset with LE because they were asking her WHY they had so many cars and how much did they cost. Maybe the perps knew this family had all the cars and just went there to steal one of them. They did go into the home just asking for the keys to the car! I just don't understand why they took the little boy.