CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[Bernina]

I would expect Joey to be livid that morning too about the checks. But he spoke to PM shortly before leaving for his lunch meeting in RC and never mentioned anything was amiss. In fact PM said, “everything was fine.”

JM's calls to the bank were sometime after he talked to PM.

 

[asyousay]

Apparently CM did say they argued at lunch in an early interview.

Do you have a link as I would love to read that?

 

[Mony Mony]

Ok I think I figured out links! Apparently, delays and mix ups have been occurring since day 1!

 

[Mica]

JM's calls to the bank were sometime after he talked to PM.

But he was aware there was a problem, no? CM messed with the QB prior to the disappearance. Was it Feb. 1st or 2nd? I would think Joey would have mentioned his suspicions to PM. JMO The confirmation with the bank might have happened after speaking to PM, but I don’t recall any testimony of fraud by any bank representative. Until there is confirmation, it’s only speculation.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That has been my argument in the past about Chase that he has never been violent.

He is simply a thief and likes to con people but how many of those other people that he ripped off was he close to?

I genuinely think he liked and respected Joey as much as somebody like him could and so the difference I think was that he had a relationship with Joey and when it broke down he couldn’t handle it. I think the people has had ripped off in the past he wasn’t close to or had a real friendship with them.

MOO

OT:
I'm watching a case on OWN right now where the suspect had no criminal history ever, much less any violent criminal past record.

Yet he was perfectly capable of doing a brutal overkill by stabbing a young woman 59 TIMES almost decapitating her!!!!

It shows we cant judge a book by its cover.

I respectfully disagree on this part though, asyousay. Love your moniker btw. Lol

CM liked Joey because he knew Joey was a pushover, and a very easy target he could take advantage of very easily. That's what he liked about Joey, imo. What he knew he could get from Joey by pretending to play the nice guy when he knew he would reap the reward.

Since I fully feel CM is a narcissistic psychopath they are just like he is.

They can be very charming, and charismatic to their targeted victims they know they can easily manipulate. It's those tools they use to deceive others.

As long as everyone stays in the good graces of the psychopath everything is just fine,

BUT cross them in any way then its hell to pay, and their vengeance can resort to brutal murders which are often macabre horrific overkills.

Even though most dont resort to murder, but if they feel they have been crossed in any manner, they will try to make the lives of their living targets a pure living hell.

Imo

 

[Tortoise]

Jail visitation recordings were on February 1st, 3rd, 8th, and 10th of 2019.

Don't have a date for that particular argument.

I don't know why an individual close to a case would feel the need to use a pseudonym or change their name. Their personal involvement would give the book some credence and why hide the fact you authored it in your daily life?

I believe it was Michelle Muir (sp? CM's GF when he was arrested)), not CJ that was on the other side of the glass for that conversation.

I've just looked it up. The hearing was on Feb 14th. The tapes were handed over to the defense on Feb 13th because there was no court on 11th and 12th.

 

[Bernina]

But he was aware there was a problem, no? CM messed with the QB prior to the disappearance. Was it Feb. 1st or 2nd? I would think Joey would have mentioned his suspicions to PM. JMO The confirmation with the bank might have happened after speaking to PM, but I don’t recall any testimony of fraud by any bank representative. Until there is confirmation, it’s only speculation.

There was no testimony, but on the 4th, JM talked to PM in the morning. JM made calls to the bank on his way to Rancho C according to his cell records <---the phone records where presented in court, but no discussion about the calls to the bank.

 

[missy1974]

I don’t agree that Chase thought him forging would not be found out.

Joey was running a business and would of checked his accounts often so it was just a matter of time and Chase would of known that.

So that’s why something happened that tipped him over the edge and he thought to hell with it. Maybe Joey had hinted at getting rid of him due to how poor his work was?!

Maybe he had a pop about Summer and Joey set him straight

Something definitely happened that made him think “to hell with this” on the 2nd.

Reading this makes me wonder... I think you are right, he probably did check his accounts all the time. So do we have evidence that he did that morning? I mean Joey. Do we have him visiting his online banking site? We know that his bank account wasn't connected to his Quickbooks account from testimony, so when that morning or even the day before did he check his account?

And if he did check his bank account, which Quickbooks account would he log into to check to see if he wrote a cheque? The one that he writes cheques out of?

I was really hoping that we would find out why he called the bank that day. Unless it's coming in the next few days of testimony, I don't believe we will.

 

[mothwings]

The last thing the actual killer is going to have in their possession is a photo of where they buried the bodies. This is just another indication that CM is NOT the killer.

I can think of a few cases where the killer did exactly this or with something similar.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You're right, and it's most likely where he was when the family was murdered.

Right. Lmbo! How could he forget that!! Bawahaaaa!

I guess he would rather just sit in jail for years, rather than having his old attorneys get the camera footage immediately, showing him gambling up a storm on the 4th. The casinos keep the footage for many years.

Or better yet turnover all of his player cards that documents every place he gambled on the 4th, inside of all of the casinos, and the exact times he was there playing. His cards would have all been current when arrested since he was still gambling. Even if not, all the casinos would need is his name, and SSN to pull his full playing history up.

Imo

 

[katydid23]

Since he's not the killer he has no idea when they were killed. So how would he know where he was during a time unknown to him?

The detectives are the ones who are asking for specific dates that he needs an alibi for.

 

[missy1974]

But according to Sequeida, MSM was already doing the welding. So why would Joey need to hire another welder? I like Patrick, but imo you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He never said anything about Joey being unhappy with Chase's work until AFTER Chase was arrested. Patrick is easily influenced by people and over the years has had a tendency to parrot whatever the hanger-on-of-the-moment is whispering in his ear. To be clear, I think he is a grieving father/fil/gf who wants to help and wants justice for his family but I also think people have taken advantage of this over the years.

Also, it's important to remember that Sequeida himself testified that he was hoping to change the focus of his business to doing exclusively fountains. He liked the idea that he didn't have to do all of the up-front work (field visits, preparing quotes, etc) and it was easier money with less work. I wonder if Joey and Chase were aware of this lol. I wonder if Sequeida taking on more responsibility regarding completing the fountains had more to do with them wanting to edge Chase out (and eventually possibly Joey) in order to increase their own percentage of profit as opposed to Chase's lack of ambition and quality of work. Regardless, Joey already has a willing welder (MSM) who was ready to completely re-organize his entire business to focus exclusively on his fountains so I just don't see him planning on hiring another welder. Could he have been planning along with Sequeida to edge Chase out of the picture altogether? That would definitely be motive I think. But I also think if there was any evidence of that we would certainly have heard about it from the pros. So imo there is as of yet no solid evidence that Joey had any plans on firing or replacing Chase.

THIS!

From Sequieda's testimony:

The agreement as he understood it was: Metro was going to do all the sheetmetal work, Joseph was selling and handling whatever invoicing, and Mr. Merritt was going to do the plumbing, the pumps that operated the water features, the electrical, etching, rocks, tile, etc. and he was going to videotape them, crate them and ship them.​

Merritt was already not doing the welding, I even recall Carmen saying they had welders there. It seems to me that Chase's roll had already changed, but even the Sequieda's knew that Chase was getting 65%. And you are correct, according to Sequieda Jr and Carmen, Sequieda Sr was ticked that he didn't know the selling the prices of the fountains and thought he should get a bigger cut (whether it was because they were doing some of Chase's jobs or because they didn't think they were getting a big enough cut is up for debate) If Joey was really looking at signing a large contract to do numerous fountains, or business was picking up, restructuring this way or finding more welders/contractor's was just going to have to happen. Would anyone expect 1 other person to be able to make all of those? Then ship them off, and then install them? Highly unlikely. IMO

 

[missy1974]

Ok I think I figured out links! Apparently, delays and mix ups have been occurring since day 1!

But, but but it was all Merritt who caused the delays.

When the trial first started I was back reading in the old threads, I had read this and almost couldn't believe it, thanks for the link I hadn't watched it before.

 

[missy1974]

But he was aware there was a problem, no? CM messed with the QB prior to the disappearance. Was it Feb. 1st or 2nd? I would think Joey would have mentioned his suspicions to PM. JMO The confirmation with the bank might have happened after speaking to PM, but I don’t recall any testimony of fraud by any bank representative. Until there is confirmation, it’s only speculation.

I still want to know if Joey checked his bank. They have computer reports, when was the last time his balance and/or account was checked? I would be surprised if a bank doesn't keep record of that as well. JMO

 

[smr]

Rodriguez: Who did you live with in 2010? Juanita Merritt: I didn't live with anyone, that's why Chase came to stay and help me. Rodrguez: 2010? Merritt: Yes Rodriguez: Isn't it true you told a detective that as of 2010 you hadn't seen him in 5 years? Juanita: No

Rodriguez: Isn't it true that you told the detective you had only seen him one time prior in 2009, you met him and Cathy at a Coco's with the kids? Juanita: That's not the only time I saw my brother.

Now this is from Smith on direct:
She said the last time she had seen Chase was 5 years earlier. Talked to him maybe once every 6 months. Smith said Juanita told him if she wanted to see his kids she would go to Rancho Cucamonga to see "Cathy and the kids."

Cross examination. Maline: Did Miss Merritt say she hadn't see Chase at all in 5 years or that he hadn't been to house in 5 yrs? Smith: He hadn't been to her house in 5 yrs. Maline: So she didn't say she hadn't seen him 5 yrs. Smith: That's correct.

No wonder she was laughing at them!!!!!! Again, if they had just prepped for the witness, that all could have been avoided. Smith seems to agree that she DID NOT SAY she hadn't seen him in 5 years.

Makes one wonder if there were other parts of the testimonies by Sgt. Smith which included misleading/misinterpreted/distorted information.

 

[katydid23]

THIS!

From Sequieda's testimony:

The agreement as he understood it was: Metro was going to do all the sheetmetal work, Joseph was selling and handling whatever invoicing, and Mr. Merritt was going to do the plumbing, the pumps that operated the water features, the electrical, etching, rocks, tile, etc. and he was going to videotape them, crate them and ship them.​

Merritt was already not doing the welding, I even recall Carmen saying they had welders there. It seems to me that Chase's roll had already changed, but even the Sequieda's knew that Chase was getting 65%. And you are correct, according to Sequieda Jr and Carmen, Sequieda Sr was ticked that he didn't know the selling the prices of the fountains and thought he should get a bigger cut (whether it was because they were doing some of Chase's jobs or because they didn't think they were getting a big enough cut is up for debate) If Joey was really looking at signing a large contract to do numerous fountains, or business was picking up, restructuring this way or finding more welders/contractor's was just going to have to happen. Would anyone expect 1 other person to be able to make all of those? Then ship them off, and then install them? Highly unlikely. IMO

When Joey met with Chase at lunch on the 4th, he handed over a check for 100 bucks. That doesn't sound like he was planning on cutting Chase in on a 9 million dollar contract to me. It looks more like someone he was preparing to wean away from his business.

 

[smr]

McGee was not at yesterday's testimonies. Does anyone know why?

 

[Texas Red]

Right. Lmbo! How could he forget that!! Bawahaaaa!

I guess he would rather just sit in jail for years, rather than having his old attorneys get the camera footage immediately, showing him gambling up a storm on the 4th. The casinos keep the footage for many years.

Or better yet turnover all of his player cards that documents every place he gambled on the 4th, inside of all of the casinos, and the exact times he was there playing. His cards would have all been current when arrested since he was still gambling. Even if not, all the casinos would need is his name, and SSN to pull his full playing history up.

Imo

First of all CM is playing poker in the card room which is separate from the casino. The Indian casinos have limited video surveillance in those areas because there’s no casino money to protect as there is on the casino floor. The video they do have of the area is soon purged. I also notice many of you wondering why CM’s phone was disconnected from cell towers for long periods of time, it’s because most all card rooms in the area durning that time jammed cell phone reception in order to prevent cheating at the poker tables.

 

[Texas Red]

I can think of a few cases where the killer did exactly this or with something similar.

Link?

 

[Bernina]

When Joey met with Chase at lunch on the 4th, he handed over a check for 100 bucks. That doesn't sound like he was planning on cutting Chase in on a 9 million dollar contract to me. It looks more like someone he was preparing to wean away from his business.

Kind of sounds like JM was giving him money for gas.........to hit the road. JMO.