CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, thank you for transcribing and typing out the portions from the Judge's response.

Respectfully snipped for brevity. This is something I don't understand in Susan's testimony. With regard to the BBM, the EIP website at that time states: "we own and occupy a 50,000 + sq. ft. warehouse complete with workshops and a state of the art finishing booth." That's a pretty big warehouse. Seems Joey owned a large enough warehouse for added welders and fabrications. Why need another place? JMO

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I can't answer that Mica. Perhaps someone involved from the beginning knows about that.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks!

Ok... So, once they went into business with MSM, Chase was making 65% minus what was paid to MSM. Previous to MSM, the one's that I did the math on were pretty close to the 65% if not exact, but previous to MSM. So it was coming out of Chase's cut, but not being paid by Chase directly (probably because of his money issues). Of course, we learned during the Accountants testimony what he deemed Chase's expeneses... but we also heard that there were cheques that he was not given to look at.

This is what I was able to see on that screenshot:

Project is $3100 (65% is $2015) Chase gets $504 MSM $1511 = $2015
Project is $5275 (65% is $3428) Chase gets $858 MSM $2572 = $3430
Project is $4475 (65% is $2908) Chase gets $728 MSM $2181 = $2909
Project is $7200 (65% is $4608) Chase gets $1080 MSM $3600 = $4680

Those were from Oct 2-20th. So, just for those 4 projects Chase was paid $3170. But Chase shouldn't have had any expenses since at that time MSM was doing the fabricating? Or maybe he paid for the electrical/plumbing stuff? From that same screenshot, I can see 1 project in August, and 3 in July in 2009 (all of those, it shows Chases $$$ was 65%). I think it's unrealistic to believe that Chase didn't have expenses when he was making these fountains alone, no one can make fountains from thin air, and as of right now, we don't have the full picture of Chases expenses previous to October 2009. I could see that he maybe burned some bridges with suppliers or bounced some cheques and maybe this was their (Joey and Chase's) solution?

Thanks for going back to this... I have seen the spreadsheets, but they were missing the MSM columns, and I couldn't figure out why Chase's portion had dropped like that, this explains it.

"I could see that he maybe burned some bridges with suppliers or bounced some cheques and maybe this was their (Joey and Chase's) solution?"


What was their solution? Giving 76 blank checks to Chase and telling him to forge the signature whenever he needed more money?

Woulnt there be a million better solutions that that?

 

[Bernina]

"The only person who has shown any inkling or hatred towards the family is Chase."
Are you forgetting about the direct threat that DK made towards JM?

That was in January of 2009 when JM wanted to buy out DK. It was about DK's ability to take down the website which would affect JM's ability to make money and support his family. Yes, it was a direct threat, but it wasn't threatening to do bodily harm, it was about taking the website down.

 

[Cricket28]

After hearing his interview: I am 100% convinced he killed the MS family, w/o a doubt !

He even mentions Stoddard Rd !!!

F Him !!!

I thought it was Det. Bachman who mentions Stoddard Rd. after CM "pretended" not to remember the names of the roads. I'll have to go back and listen.

 

[Cricket28]

I can't wait to hear the whole 8 hours... Maline said they plan on playing it LOL

I look forward to hearing it too. I just hope it isn't on a day I'm in the courtroom. I would much rather be there when actual witnesses are testifying.

MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, I'll look for the audio, too. I'm almost certain it was Susan that I recall on cross with an insufficient check. If I find it, I'll post.

Just thinking about that, why would Susan have been shown a cheque that Saudi Arabia paid for the fountain? Would she have seen it at the time and been able to identify what it was?

 

[Texas Red]

That was in January of 2009 when JM wanted to buy out DK. It was about DK's ability to take down the website which would affect JM's ability to make money and support his family. Yes, it was a direct threat, but it wasn't threatening to do bodily harm, it was about taking the website down.

"Yes, it was a direct threat"
Thank you for agreeing, I'm amazed!

 

[Mica]

Just thinking about that, why would Susan have been shown a cheque that Saudi Arabia paid for the fountain? Would she have seen it at the time and been able to identify what it was?

Tortoise, I just went back and did a search of my previous posts. It was on Jan. 12 that I made a post about testimony related to a bounced check. I don't recall who was testifying (thought it was Susan.) What I previously posted was about check written by Susan to Chase for a large sum of money (thought it was 17k) that had bounced. Now I need to go back and see who was testifying around or before Jan. 12, or if it was mentioned by the defense in opening statements.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is until the same thing happens to them.

Well if the police had evidence I was inside of a dead man's home writing myself a fraudulent check the day this man, and his family vanished into thin air, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I was arrested, and charged for their murders.

In fact I would probably ask LE what took them so long.

But then I have never done any criminal act whatsoever of any kind in my entire life, so there wouldn't be any evidence showing my involvement in any manner.

The state didnt create any of the voluminous evidence against CM.

CM did that all by himself all on his own, just like so many murderers have done, and were caught when they also left a trail of evidence.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

Joey does not strike me as someone that would keep a fiscal year. IMO/MOO, Joey just went by calendar year.

Could be, but I don't know that either lol

 

[missy1974]

Tortoise, I'll look for the audio, too. I'm almost certain it was Susan that I recall on cross with an insufficient check. If I find it, I'll post.

I think there is a portion missing as well? That or she wasn't cross examined.(Could be why they plan on calling her?) Could it have been Mike's testimony?

 

[Bernina]

"Yes, it was a direct threat"
Thank you for agreeing, I'm amazed!

Though we seem to be at either end of the spectrum in this trial, there ARE things I will agree with you on

 

[missy1974]

"I could see that he maybe burned some bridges with suppliers or bounced some cheques and maybe this was their (Joey and Chase's) solution?"


What was their solution? Giving 76 blank checks to Chase and telling him to forge the signature whenever he needed more money?

Woulnt there be a million better solutions that that?

If you followed the post you can see what is being discussed.

 

[fridaybaker]

"I could see that he maybe burned some bridges with suppliers or bounced some cheques and maybe this was their (Joey and Chase's) solution?"


What was their solution? Giving 76 blank checks to Chase and telling him to forge the signature whenever he needed more money?

Woulnt there be a million better solutions that that?

BBM: A million and one, actually?

I haven't spent a lot of time here participating in detailed discussion. However, I've been following along pretty assiduously, and have read/watched some of the trial, albeit not all. I always look at the points folks here bring up regarding things seen as problems with the State's case, because I do think there are some fabulous minds at work here.

Unfortunately, in the end I invariably come away thinking that the "defenders of the defense team" are straining at gnats. There are many details which we'll never know and can only speculate about, but if one steps back and goes through the key points of the case, there is a definite pattern, in my estimation. The more we talk and read and discuss and watch, the more the case against CM solidifies for me.

One significant change in my opinion since the start of the trial-phase of this case has been that I initially was of the mind that CM became enraged with Joey at the "Chik-fil-A meeting", and drove out to the house afterward and murdered them all. What fits most of all to me now, though, is that this "thing" had been building in Chase for a while, and was driven by jealousy, greed, financial straits, etc. He knew, I think, by the 1st that he was going to do away with them.

I am also inclined to think he was poisoning Joey. Isn't he the only one who mentioned poisoning? The only way this makes sense is if he thought the bodies might be discovered, and found to have been poisoned, he'd already laid the groundwork for Summer as having done it. Otherwise -bizarro, and totally out of left field.

Of course, I'll keep reading/watching, and am always open to changing my opinion! Just know that all the data analysis, etc. isn't necessarily disregarded by those who don't actively discuss it. Some of us are more oriented to "big pictures" and theory, while others excel at analysis. While we can both appreciate each others' work, we often post in our own dominions, so to speak.

Sorry for the long-winded post. (And I haven't even started the wine yet.)

 

[asyousay]

"The only person who has shown any inkling or hatred towards the family is Chase."
Are you forgetting about the direct threat that DK made towards JM?

And yet DK wasn’t the one cashing forged checks or ringing up Quick books trying to cover his tracks was he?


And Joey forgave DK ( which personally I don’t understand) but he did seemingly.

 

[missy1974]

Tortoise, I just went back and did a search of my previous posts. It was on Jan. 12 that I made a post about testimony related to a bounced check. I don't recall who was testifying (thought it was Susan.) What I previously posted was about check written by Susan to Chase for a large sum of money (thought it was 17k) that had bounced. Now I need to go back and see who was testifying around or before Jan. 12, or if it was mentioned by the defense in opening statements.

I would look at Mike's then. The 12th was a dark day iirc, I would look but I'm at work....being a slacker haha

 

[Mica]

I think there is a portion missing as well? That or she wasn't cross examined.(Could be why they plan on calling her?) Could it have been Mike's testimony?

The audio of the cross examination of Susan isn't posted that I can find. But I know it was done. Found some info in an article related to part of the cross examination. For example:

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Maline repeatedly asked Blake if she knew it was Kavanaugh and not Merritt who received money from a major project.

McStay family murders: Mother of Joseph McStay testifies in Charles Merritt trial

 

[Force Ten]

Something that some others here can't seem to grasp is I call it like I see it and if I think the evidence is incriminating, as this email happens to be, I'll say so. Some of you treat this trial as fans of a sporting event, rooting for one team or the other. Please, try to keep in mind that this is a persons life at stake.

Yep, you got that right. And 4 people deserve justice.

 

[Texas Red]

Well if the police had evidence I was inside of a dead man's home writing myself a fraudulent check the day this man, and his family vanished into thin air, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I was arrested, and charged for their murders.

In fact I would probably ask LE what took them so long.

But then I have never done any criminal act whatsoever of any kind in my entire life, so there wouldn't be any evidence showing my involvement in any manner.

The state didnt create any of the voluminous evidence against CM.

CM did that all by himself all on his own, just like so many murderers have done, and were caught when they also left a trail of evidence.

Imo

My comment was a reply to this comment "Agree. Some seem to support a Police State with no defense for the accused."
Are you directing your reply towards the correct comment? If so, then please explain what the particulars of this case have to do with a police state?

 

[asyousay]

Something that some others here can't seem to grasp is I call it like I see it and if I think the evidence is incriminating, as this email happens to be, I'll say so. Some of you treat this trial as fans of a sporting event, rooting for one team or the other. Please, try to keep in mind that this is a persons life at stake.

I have been very opened minded about the entire case but when some posts just ignore all the evidence it’s ridiculous and highly frustrating.

I am one of the ones on here who don’t think the prosecution have done a great job but I still see the leafs though the trees and all the evidence so far points in Chase’s direction.

He isn’t being framed here.