CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #12

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I believe it was 3 or 4 keys. I thought I had a snip of them, but I don't.

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson Jan 29
#McStay - Smith said there were two Chateau brand padlock keys. One found in front pocket and one with the group of keys in back pocket. Smith said Chateau is a lock company commonly found at storage sheds/facilities.

 

[cobalt sky]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson Jan 29
#McStay - Smith said there were two Chateau brand padlock keys. One found in front pocket and one with the group of keys in back pocket. Smith said Chateau is a lock company commonly found at storage sheds/facilities.

Thank you! That's how I remembered it, well almost...I thought the single Chateau key was loose in the grave but it was also in a pocket.

So these could have been to the McStay's personal pods then. Unless someone knows something different. Maybe there actually wasn't a work storage unit? Or maybe just the one that Chase had when he moved his things to MSM. But it's unclear if he still had the storage unit at that point. I wonder if LE asked Chase about that. And again, why didn't they ask Sequeida where the unit was that he went to with Chase to pick up his equipment etc.

 

[citygirl]

I can't recall where I read it now, but I remember reading that Merritt was only allowed to install the fountain, he couldn't go out and about while there, maybe his history was why?

Based on that we know he really went?

 

[missy1974]

Based on that we know he really went?

I have no clue if he really did go or not.

 

[Tortoise]

Patrick has stated that Joey told him on Feb 4 that he was meeting Chase for lunch in RC that afternoon. Did he make that up?

Or, I know that you have posted before regarding a theory that Chase lured Joey up to RC under the pretense of wanting to discuss business but then didn't show up, leaving Joey waiting for him. I don't know why Chase would do that, because there would be no way of telling who Joey might have told that Chase blew him off which would then sort of ruin his story that they were meeting to discuss business and all was well. IMO.

Joey's conversation with Patrick isn't proof of whether Chase showed up.

It's not a theory of mine that Chase lured him up there. I think Joey went up there to see him.

Even if Joey told someone on his way back, 'Chase didn't show up, I'm waiting for his explanation for money that's missing out of my bank account' do you think Chase the glib-tongued conman can't explain his way out of that once Joey's not around anymore to allege theft?

'$2495 - it's money he owed me on the paul mitchell project, Joey signed it he must have forgotten he gave it to me, do you think I'd steal that amount when I could have written a cheque for $90,000 and run off with it...blah blah.

All he had to do was say yes Joey thought there was a problem but we resolved it later over the phone and he realised he'd made a mistake. 'Missing' (dead) men and their missing dead wives can't talk.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

My youngest just turned 18... I understand Hard to deal with something like that when there are other things going on as well... I don't fault Susan or the family for not continuing to pay for it, just unfortunate that no one (LE) didn't help them out a bit more that way. I'm sure their hands were tied as well.

Their hands were tied. Spent a few days listening to Detective DuGals testimony. By all accounts, IMO, he has been criticized for not doing more. Though he thought pretty early on that it was foul play, he was bound by the probable cause thing. RULES. Sometimes I hate rules.

 

[QueenBofOB]

I'm not sure about Saudi Arabia either. My brother used to live there on an American compound. My parents in order to go visit him, had to be thoroughly investigated first, and had to obtain permission from the Saudi government in order to go. It was not an easy process. Its hard for me to imagine that a convicted felon, on probation would be able to go there.

And how ODD was it, in an email to CJ, that he claimed to have "met some Taliban" and went on to say how nice they were--or something to that effect, when he was in S.A. Does anyone actually believe, that members of the Taliban go around introducing themselves to total strangers?

 

[citygirl]

Not only did they know about the Saudi job... I think Sequieda said they built it

But how did they know Was it because CM told them so?

 

[missy1974]

But how did they know Was it because CM told them so?

I'm going to go with Joey telling them... it was ordered before February IIRC

 

[citygirl]

And how ODD was it, in an email to CJ, that he claimed to have "met some Taliban" and went on to say how nice they were--or something to that effect, when he was in S.A. Does anyone actually believe, that members of the Taliban go around introducing themselves to total strangers?

NO.

 

[citygirl]

And how ODD was it, in an email to CJ, that he claimed to have "met some Taliban" and went on to say how nice they were--or something to that effect, when he was in S.A. Does anyone actually believe, that members of the Taliban go around introducing themselves to total strangers?

Total BS, IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

From your post here.

Ok, so to answer what I think you were asking, yes there were more than 6 calls after the 4th, there were 12.

 

[Mica]

I'm going to go with Joey telling them... it was ordered before February IIRC

I think the invoice was Oct. 2009. I might have a copy.

 

[Force Ten]

You don't see a contradiction?

By the end of his testimony, he no longer would say that the phone was off/in airplane mode/out of range on the evening of the 4th, he instead said he would like to confer with AT&T. I wonder if he did that.

It's virtually impossible to know if it was on or off or out of range. AT&T can't tell him anything, there is nothing to tell. Unless it's in the context relating to something else. But it is clear none of those incoming calls pinged his phone.

 

[travelbug]

(bbm)

Iève been wondering this for awhile. How does one see a cell phone ring ... hear it I can understand but we see text messages not ringing (perhaps wrong choice of words by whoever reported she said that)

and lets talk about what kind of phone he had and how it would indicate a phonecall

If I recall her statement it was that "the phone was face up". Every phone I've had lights up to display the number (or both # and name) when a call comes in. The even occurs whether it's on vibrate, or airplane setting. I believe that is what CJ meant. I usually leave my phone on that setting, and set it down next to me "face up", when I'm in a meeting, on public transportation or at home and have company or I'm watching TV. That allows me to "ignore" the call when it's a sales or telemarketer type of call and to pick it up and answer if it is important.

 

[missy1974]

I think the invoice was Oct. 2009. I might have a copy.

I have the copy, I think the invoice was sent in October, but it was paid mid Jan 2010. I came across it when the trial started, and I saved it, but I don't think I can share it because of the way I saved it *sigh* and I don't know which thread I originally found it in So if you can find a link to it that would be great lol

 

[citygirl]

I just read a wordpress based on a
Google search for “McStay family Saudi Arabia” which I’m not going to link because I’m not even sure whether it’s allowed here but, one of the first emails in the article has no date (although the majority of other emails include dates) and the other emails are alleged emails between CM and SB where he indicates he was currently there doing the “job” and that he is unhappy with her and DK slandering him and berating his work ethic and quality(my words). CM urges them to not make commitments for him as he had tried to help them (and JM) out but they have screwed up the business.
I have never seen a legitimate source that supports the idea that the SA deal was real or occurred. I agree that it is hinky to state he met some Taliban and they seemed really nice. GMAFB please.
Was he trying to infer that Taliban would approach an American citizen in SA? This is pure BS. Was he hoping LE would blame the Taliban and maybe heroin imports for the McStay deaths? As a backup plan if LE didn’t buy a mexican cartel theory?
I am seriously beginning to wonder if these emails and throwing Dan under the bus are all gaslighting or total BS. None of this makes sense to me and until I see proof of a SA deal completed and paid in full I’m not buying it.
How could CM have held a valid passport being under warrant of arrest for a felony probation violation? And if he went to Saudi Arabia, why would he return? Maybe he tried to hook up with the Taliban who didn’t want him either? This story grows increasingly outrageous and I believe most if not all of it was manufactured by CM.

Not only that what kind of a man, a REAL man, chastises a mother whose son, wife and 2 babies are missing?

 

[cobalt sky]

I just read a wordpress based on a
Google search for “McStay family Saudi Arabia” which I’m not going to link because I’m not even sure whether it’s allowed here but, one of the first emails in the article has no date (although the majority of other emails include dates) and the other emails are alleged emails between CM and SB where he indicates he was currently there doing the “job” and that he is unhappy with her and DK slandering him and berating his work ethic and quality(my words). CM urges them to not make commitments for him as he had tried to help them (and JM) out but they have screwed up the business.
I have never seen a legitimate source that supports the idea that the SA deal was real or occurred. I agree that it is hinky to state he met some Taliban and they seemed really nice. GMAFB please.
Was he trying to infer that Taliban would approach an American citizen in SA? This is pure BS. Was he hoping LE would blame the Taliban and maybe heroin imports for the McStay deaths? As a backup plan if LE didn’t buy a mexican cartel theory?
I am seriously beginning to wonder if these emails and throwing Dan under the bus are all gaslighting or total BS. None of this makes sense to me and until I see proof of a SA deal completed and paid in full I’m not buying it.
How could CM have held a valid passport being under warrant of arrest for a felony probation violation? And if he went to Saudi Arabia, why would he return? Maybe he tried to hook up with the Taliban who didn’t want him either? This story grows increasingly outrageous and I believe most if not all of it was manufactured by CM.

I totally agree, I have a lot of questions about the whole Saudi Arabia project. But here's the thing, Joey told several people that there was a Saudi deal, and that Chase was going there to install the project. Patrick, Dan, McGyver, MSM, Mike...all knew about it before the disappearance. So if Chase had something shady going on re: the Saudi deal then at the very least Joey was complicit as well.

And IMO it seems unlikely that Chase would have been allowed into the country of SA but I could be wrong. I would think that Joey and Chase would have secured a passport for and verified permission to enter Saudi BEFORE investing the TIME and MONEY into a fountain that Chase might not have been cleared to travel to install. But we know that Chase didn't even have a passport upon completion of the project, Susan had to front him the money for one. (If he even used that money to get one, I don't know).

In the end I have no idea if Chase really went to Saudi or not, this is yet another thing that would be super easy for LE to clarify, there would be documentation via his passport (if he got one). Maybe we will hear more about this in court. All IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

He also didn't want to meet with Dugal and Fiske because he had a warrant.

This is one of those things that I'm not so sure that the defense shouldn't have just embraced and let it be known because it does explain a few things, but because they don't want it out there what the warrant was for I guess... they haven't or don't want to. Although... it has been mentioned, including in his interview, so I guess it's out there for the jury to hear anyway.

When was the first time he spoke with LE, and knew they didnt care about the outstanding warrant as much as getting information on Joey's whereabouts?

After then did he then start trying to help the family locate them?

Wasn't Patrick searching for a very long time for his son, and family? Did he help Patrick in any way he could?

Yes, I wish we knew what he had done that time when he was evading the police.

It seems this guy just couldn't stay out of trouble with the law for very long even when he was making 173K with Joey, and all the fringe benefits his family received from Joey when CM was locked up in jail.

It must have been nice for a habitual criminal like CM to have had someone he knew who would pick up the slack/tab for him when he went to the slammer.

How many times was he in jail when Joey would have to help Jarvis and the kids from starving, and from being out on the streets?

Tia

 

[citygirl]

I totally agree, I have a lot of questions about the whole Saudi Arabia project. But here's the thing, Joey told several people that there was a Saudi deal, and that Chase was going there to install the project. Patrick, Dan, McGyver, MSM, Mike...all knew about it before the disappearance. So if Chase had something shady going on re: the Saudi deal then at the very least Joey was complicit as well.

And IMO it seems unlikely that Chase would have been allowed into the country of SA but I could be wrong. I would think that Joey and Chase would have secured a passport for and verified permission to enter Saudi BEFORE investing the TIME and MONEY into a fountain that Chase might not have been cleared to travel to install. But we know that Chase didn't even have a passport upon completion of the project, Susan had to front him the money for one. (If he even used that money to get one, I don't know).

In the end I have no idea if Chase really went to Saudi or not, this is yet another thing that would be super easy for LE to clarify, there would be documentation via his passport (if he got one). Maybe we will hear more about this in court. All IMO.

I have no doubt that there was a deal. I just can't help but wonder why? Not suggesting anything nefarious. But ,IMO, SA is a rich nation with many qualified people. Just seems odd to me.