CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[wary]

I think it will come down to timelines. Phones being on or off, timing of the QB's cheque that night 7:59/8:05pm, the video of a vehicle leaving at 7:47pm.

I'm having a hard time putting that together.
Chases phone pings at 5:48 (I believe near home?)
Someone leaves at 7:47pm
Someone makes a cheque at 7:59
Then delete's at 8:05.
Chase's phone is back pinging at 9:32 Mira Loma or RC. (I've seen both in timelines)

Does this timeline work?

Chase’s phone pings at 5:48 near his home, because he IS home.

He leaves his phone at home, because he has murder in mind, and he doesn’t want it pinging near the crime scene.

He leaves, drives to Fallbrook, kills the family. There’s enough time for this between 5:47 and 7:47.

At 7:47 he leaves the McStay driveway. He drives to the park and ride by I15, leaves his truck there, and walks back to the McStay home. (It’s easy walking distance, but there’s not quite enough time. We have to think that the security camera was off by a few minutes. From what I’ve heard, that’s a common occurrence.) The reason for using the park and ride would be to hide his truck in plain sight. A strange vehicle at the McStay’s home might be noticed.

7:59 on, he messes around with Quickbooks, loads bodies into the Isuzu, etc.

9:32, he phones his own phone, as part of a vague ‘establishing an alibi’ plan.

I may have some details messed up. I lean toward the idea that he didn’t have help—

 

[katydid23]

I have followed a lot of cases over the years. And I was so excited to hear the state lay out this case against Chase. It is such a heinous crime.

But I am not sure why, maybe partially because of the horrible audio/recording situation, and the inconsistent days of the testimony, and the dry, boring info set forth so far, but this prosecution seems so confusing and underwhelming so far.

I know, I know, it is still early. But the opening statements sounded so specific and solid. But I haven't been able to grab a hold of anything so far, and say it nails CM.

I find myself wavering, and wondering if the state has their theory all wrong. I can't help but wonder if the jury feels the same way.

Maybe the problem is that I knew TOO MUCH when I came to listen. Maybe the juror's lack of knowledge of the evidence will help them stay focused I hope so.

 

[missy1974]

@wary part of my problem with the truck and trooper are...

IF it was CM's truck or even a truck he borrowed leaving their driveway, where was the Trooper at that time? The neighbour said they typically parked the Trooper into the driveway backwards, just like how the truck in the video was seen coming out of the driveway.

If the video caught him "leaving" at 7:47, why don't we see him arriving before that? They had a 1 hour block of video if I understood it correctly.. starting at 7pm. If we believe the neighbour, she looked at hours of video and saw nothing else out of the ordinary.

Soooo many pieces of this puzzle LOL

 

[Edmo]

Gray Hughes Investigates

Gray Hughes has a video of what he thinks happened. I tend to agree.

Watching the murder "timeline" the 8:58 pm call from JM to CM, if CM was home watching tv with CJ as he stated, why would CJ make 5 phone calls to him shortly afterward?

 

[Texas Red]

@wary part of my problem with the truck and trooper are...

IF it was CM's truck or even a truck he borrowed leaving their driveway, where was the Trooper at that time? The neighbour said they typically parked the Trooper into the driveway backwards, just like how the truck in the video was seen coming out of the driveway.

If the video caught him "leaving" at 7:47, why don't we see him arriving before that? They had a 1 hour block of video if I understood it correctly.. starting at 7pm. If we believe the neighbour, she looked at hours of video and saw nothing else out of the ordinary.

Soooo many pieces of this puzzle LOL

IMO, the video is a red herring, we don’t even know if the date stamp is correct.

 

[Plumeria5]

Is what I meant.

Eerie, every time I watch it.

 

[missy1974]

I have followed a lot of cases over the years. And I was so excited to hear the state lay out this case against Chase. It is such a heinous crime.

But I am not sure why, maybe partially because of the horrible audio/recording situation, and the inconsistent days of the testimony, and the dry, boring info set forth so far, but this prosecution seems so confusing and underwhelming so far.

I know, I know, it is still early. But the opening statements sounded so specific and solid. But I haven't been able to grab a hold of anything so far, and say it nails CM.

I find myself wavering, and wondering if the state has their theory all wrong. I can't help but wonder if the jury feels the same way.

Maybe the problem is that I knew TOO MUCH when I came to listen. Maybe the juror's lack of knowledge of the evidence will help them stay focused I hope so.

I followed a lot the first few years... then their bodies were found.... then Chase was arrested, I really thought it would be a slam dunk. I would come back here and see delay after delay after delay.. some because of Chase, but not all. Taking Chase out of the equation, I don't know that any defendant can or should be faulted for firing an attorney if they are not representing you the way you think they should, Maline and McGee seem to be doing the job well now, I don't know anything about his previous attorney's? But it did make him look like he was just delaying the inevitable.

Now that we are into the testimony... ugggh, I'm so underwhelmed by the prosecutions case so far. Yesterday felt like a defense witness day That should never happened. Today, the detective... the State didn't really go into the evidence that they went to go look in the house again... the defense brought that all out, the prosecution didn't because it doesn't help their case at all. IMO

 

[missy1974]

IMO, the video is a red herring, we don’t even know if the date stamp is correct.

But it's now evidence, and it's evidence at 7:47pm because no one questioned the time stamp, right? So as a juror, they see it as at 7:47 someone drove out of that driveway. I guess I'm trying to look at the evidence that the jurors are going to get too... and maybe some of the things we know will be off too, the times I mean.

 

[Texas Red]

But it's now evidence, and it's evidence at 7:47pm because no one questioned the time stamp, right? So as a juror, they see it as at 7:47 someone drove out of that driveway. I guess I'm trying to look at the evidence that the jurors are going to get too... and maybe some of the things we know will be off too, the times I mean.

I need to go back and listen to the neighbor’s testimony, at this point it seems as her testimony took place months ago.

 

[Edmo]

But it's now evidence, and it's evidence at 7:47pm because no one questioned the time stamp, right? So as a juror, they see it as at 7:47 someone drove out of that driveway. I guess I'm trying to look at the evidence that the jurors are going to get too... and maybe some of the things we know will be off too, the times I mean.

Mitchelly testified that when the camera "starts recording" by some type of motion that sets it off, the camera automatically goes back 5 minutes earlier and records from there. So, maybe the 7:47 might have been recorded at 7:52, but stamped 7:47?

 

[missy1974]

Is what I meant.

so my problem with this is... the Trooper is presumed to be on the street. I would have loved to see the video from earlier in the day from the neighbour, to see if it was there, or if we could even see it, or if there was any movement in the hours leading up to 7:47. But she did say that it was normally in the driveway, backed in.

 

[missy1974]

We are back.

I was going to go out but decided not to because it's stupid cold out and I figured I would rather watch paint dry lol I don't think this testimony will take long.

 

[missy1974]

Mitchelly testified that when the camera "starts recording" by some type of motion that sets it off, the camera automatically goes back 5 minutes earlier and records from there. So, maybe the 7:47 might have been recorded at 7:52, but stamped 7:47?

pretty sure they showed the timestamp on them, but I could be wrong. That evening, it was continually recording because of a spider web and she turned her porch light on.

 

[Tssiemer]

so my problem with this is... the Trooper is presumed to be on the street. I would have loved to see the video from earlier in the day from the neighbour, to see if it was there, or if we could even see it, or if there was any movement in the hours leading up to 7:47. But she did say that it was normally in the driveway, backed in.

Although no video has been released to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) but you're right, analyzing time leading up to as well as days after to see if Chase returned to clean and what not is important.

 

[minazoe]

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 1m1 minute ago
#McStay - Steers said they found photos of the McStay family at the house. Jurors are shown this pic of baby towel/blanket. Steers compares the pieces of fabric found in grave

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I don't get paint on my bra.

So you just think it's a coincidence on the day she was murdered her bra had the same paint that was found on the sledgehammer found in the grave?

no i don't think it's coincidence at all. mOO

 

[Tssiemer]

Mitchelly testified that when the camera "starts recording" by some type of motion that sets it off, the camera automatically goes back 5 minutes earlier and records from there. So, maybe the 7:47 might have been recorded at 7:52, but stamped 7:47?

Do you happen to know what day this was? Thanks.

ETA: Nevermind. Day 3. Thanks!

 

[Tssiemer]

Heres a news article about the surv. system testimony.
Video surveillance from neighbor of McStay family reviewed in court – San Bernardino Sun

 

[Tssiemer]

And here is her testimony.

Shows the footage at 33:35.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The detective said in his affidavit that there appeared to be a missing robe in the home. McGee asking, did he know if there were normally 2 robes in the house? he says "no"

Is there any evidence from in that house that shows you that the crime happened in that house... he says No, but he believes it did.

*We now know, they have zero evidence from the house, no blood, etc.

ETA: It's JMO that they have no evidence from the house, that's my interpretation of what he said. Also, I think the fact that the State didn't ask about these things, is telling. Again IMO

The state has a boatload of CE showing that it did happen in their home. More will come.

CE is very powerful evidence and the least likely to be appealed if there is a conviction..

The state will layout all of the CE facts during closing showing it happened at home. The list will be long.

This is a typical defense strategy. They like to pretend the case is ONLY one filled with CE.

They purposefully try to deceive the jury because they DO know most cases that are brought and won are CE cases rather than direct eye witness cases. They try to be dismissive because they do know how much weight it carries.

That's one of the reasons why I dislike defense attorneys who's main goal is to deceive. They can't be honest if they tried which they never do.

Imo

 

[Plumeria5]

To me, CM looks more agitated today and less indifferent.