CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[Edmo]

Wasn't there testimony that 80% of Joseph's were found or he had?

Yes, it was either JM's or Summer's, can't remember which. IIRC, both kids hands were missing? I watched the video about the murder timeline, several posts above this one and is it possible that CM could have possibly buried the hands in Santa Clarita? Or, do we think wildlife had removed them from the gravesite? They would definitely be in rigor mortis by the time they were buried. I can see trying to bury them and having stiff arms, the hands could've been exposed/shallow beneath the dirt?

I believe the Pros has a theory about it, otherwise they wouldn't have had so many questions about them being missing, IMO.

 

[Chelly]

omg...the paint testimony was so very boring. I think the only thing that she sort of clarified was that there was "gravity" involved in the deposit of paint on the bra. Or did I understand that correctly?

Summer did a lot of the painting. She was painting shirtless in her bra. Paint drips from brush or roller onto her bra

 

[KALI]

I wish there was a blogger in the courtroom that would give feedback as to how the jury seems to be taking this 8nformation. Especially the evidence about the little boy's deaths.
If I were hearing all of this for the first time, I would be in tears.
Are any of them emotional? Arms crossed? Looking at Chase Merritt, writing notes? What?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The bra and sledgehammer were from the original paint source. That places those items in the home, which was being painted at the time. I believe the Pros goal was to place those items at the crime scene, IMO.

I guess I'm weird because I find testimony like this very interesting. Lol!

One case I watched had a concrete expert testifying about how the mixture in every batch of concrete is different and can be matched to the exact concrete block found at the murder scene. I was mesmerized listening to him explain everything.

Imo

 

[Edmo]

Summer did a lot of the painting. She was painting shirtless in her bra. Paint drips from brush or roller onto her bra

This just occurred to me: Could it be possible CM splashed the paint on her in order to make Inv's believe the McGyver was the killer, since he had been painting with Summer?

 

[fridaybaker]

There is one report that has been from someone who lived with him. It was the comments section of an article. I will find it.

Force Ten, were you here waaaaay back? Do you remember some other "character-type" comments from acquaintances that indicated that he was a real hot-head and could get violent quickly. Didn't he get into a few fights? Wish I had time to go back through all those posts.

 

[katydid23]

The state has a boatload of CE showing that it did happen in their home. More will come.

CE is very powerful evidence and the least likely to be appealed if there is a conviction..

The state will layout all of the CE facts during closing showing it happened at home. The list will be long.

This is a typical defense strategy. They like to pretend the case is ONLY one filled with CE.

They purposefully try to deceive the jury because they DO know most cases that are brought and won are CE cases rather than direct eye witness cases. They try to be dismissive because they do know how much weight it carries.

That's one of the reasons why I dislike defense attorneys who's main goal is to deceive. They can't be honest if they tried which they never do.

Imo

I hope you are right, OBE.

You usually are and I find myself liking and agreeing with every one of your posts.

But I worry about one of the above statements:

The state will layout all of the CE facts during closing showing it happened at home. The list will be long.


I hope and pray you are right about the above^^^^.....

Right now, I cannot say that there has been any thing they laid out yet, that is factual evidence that the crimes happened in the home. From what I understood from the detectives so far, is there was no blood evidence found.

And the car/driveway/ tape seems inconclusive or questionable. I am not sure the state has proven it was CM.

The paint and bra are very important and fascinating. But does it mean that it was CM that killed them? Not yet, imo.

It seems to me that the state is putting their theories out there, like the bleach on the clothing, but it is not always ending up as conclusive. The defense is doing some major damage at cross. JMO

 

[Edmo]

I guess I'm weird because I find testimony like this very interesting. Lol!

One case I watched had a concrete expert testifying about how the mixture in every batch of concrete is different and can be matched to the exact concrete block found at the murder scene. I was mesmerized listening to him explain everything.

Imo

In today's day and age, with all the technology available, it is almost impossible to commit a perfect murder, IMO

 

[fridaybaker]

Summer did a lot of the painting. She was painting shirtless in her bra. Paint drips from brush or roller onto her bra

Not sure I understand the whole paint on her bra part of this case/trial: I thought one of the most compelling points about it was that that it was in a "side-ways drip pattern". Is that not the case? Sorry, I used to follow this case closely, but don't have as much opportunity right now to do so, so I'm sort of always playing catch-up. TIA.

 

[mrjitty]

Mitchelly testified that when the camera "starts recording" by some type of motion that sets it off, the camera automatically goes back 5 minutes earlier and records from there. So, maybe the 7:47 might have been recorded at 7:52, but stamped 7:47?

I suspect you are describing a time buffer

So the camera is always recording - but if it senses movement, it saves the segment permanently from 5 mins before

these kind of tricks save drive space.

 

[katydid23]

Exactly.

It really doesnt matter legally one way or the other.

Imo

No, it really doesn't matter, legally.

However it worries me because juries really don't like it when the state lays out a theory and a major portion of it is not proven, or worse, proven to be false.

It shakes the jurors belief in the rest of the state's case. Juries are very concerned with putting away an innocent man. And they don't know all of the info that we have learned over the past years.

So if the state says it happened in the home, they need to show the jury why the believe that. We can't shrug and say it doesn't really matter one way or the other, and expect the jury to vote GUILTY.

I may be wrong and be way off. But I am so underwhelmed by the States performance so far.

 

[Edmo]

Not sure I understand the whole paint on her bra part of this case/trial: I thought one of the most compelling points about it was that that it was in a "side-ways drip pattern". Is that not the case? Sorry, I used to follow this case closely, but don't have as much opportunity right now to do so, so I'm sort of always playing catch-up. TIA.

1. It places her at home/crime scene 2. What if CM placed it there in order to make it look like McGyver was the killer, since he had been working with Summer painting the house?

 

[Edmo]

I suspect you are describing a time buffer

So the camera is always recording - but if it senses movement, it saves the segment permanently from 5 mins before

these kind of tricks save drive space.

That is what I understood from her testimony.

 

[mrjitty]

Force Ten, were you here waaaaay back? Do you remember some other "character-type" comments from acquaintances that indicated that he was a real hot-head and could get violent quickly. Didn't he get into a few fights? Wish I had time to go back through all those posts.

I would bet money on domestic violence as well

 

[Edmo]

I would bet money on domestic violence as well

His girlfriend CJ was interrogated by SBSO. Apparently, she gave up some info (Inv Fisher would not elaborate on it) and she will be called in this case, IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope you are right, OBE.

You usually are and I find myself liking and agreeing with every one of your posts.

But I worry about one of the above statements:

The state will layout all of the CE facts during closing showing it happened at home. The list will be long.


I hope and pray you are right about the above^^^^.....

Right now, I cannot say that there has been any thing they laid out yet, that is factual evidence that the crimes happened in the home. From what I understood from the detectives so far, is there was no blood evidence found.

And the car/driveway/ tape seems inconclusive or questionable. I am not sure the state has proven it was CM.

The paint and bra are very important and fascinating. But does it mean that it was CM that killed them? Not yet, imo.

It seems to me that the state is putting their theories out there, like the bleach on the clothing, but it is not always ending up as conclusive. The defense is doing some major damage at cross. JMO

Hi there Katy!

Just keep the faith that justice will prevail.

I have seen these very same jitters displayed throughout in other trials but in the end justice was served.

I firmly believe by the end of the state's case they will have pulled it altogether.

We are only a few weeks in of a 6 months trial. I never have any doubts until they have completed their case including any rebuttal witnesses if they are called.

As far as proving where it happened that is something you already know the state doesn't have any legal burden to prove.

So all I can say is please don't give up even before its far from over and we have a long way to go.

Imo

 

[Tortoise]

Sergeant Ryan Smith testifying

 

[mrjitty]

catching up at midnight euro time

So samples in the house DID come back positive for blood?

 

[katydid23]

Hi there Katy!

Just keep the faith that justice will prevail.

I have seen these very same jitters displayed throughout in other trials but in the end justice was served.

I firmly believe by the end of the state's case they will have pulled it altogether.

We are only a few weeks in of a 6 months trial. I never have any doubts until they have completed their case including any rebuttal witnesses if they are called.

As far as proving where it happened that is something you already know the state doesn't have any legal burden to prove.

So all I can say is please don't give up even before its far from over and we have a long way to go.

Imo

Okay. Thank you for talking me off the ledge...

 

[Tortoise]

The judge has just given them a talking to in the break about all the objections and they're still doing it. He's getting a bit cheesed off with them.