CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[HelenK]

Some musings and questions -

1. I've had the same thought as Force Ten about Gianni's backpack being found in one of the graves, and the claim that the family was murdered in their home. As much as the little tyke loved his backpack, would he have been wearing it at home, in the evening, when the family presumably was settling down for the night? Would he have been wearing it when he was murdered, and carried away from there to be buried in the desert?

2. Some posters have questioned whether the meeting at Chic-Fil-A actually took place, although I believe it has been verified by LE. Patrick talked to Joey that day about 10:30 a.m., and Joey told him everything was fine. Wouldn't it logically follow that he told him about meeting with Chase that same day?

3. The 8:30 p.m. phone call that Chase claims he didn't pick up - Patrick has said when he talked with Chase some time afterwards, Chase told him he did answer that call. "But when Patrick McStay asked about the call, Merritt said it was a follow-up to their conversation at lunch." Time the enemy in solving McStay family killings - CNN

4. I think Patrick initially had a more or less favorable impression of Chase, probably because Joey seemed to like him a lot. However, the bloom went off of that rose when Gina Watson examined their financials in earnest, and saw very clearly early on that Chase was bad news. She warned Joey then about Chase, but he more or less brushed off what she said. "Don't worry, he'll be fine." Give the guy a chance, non-confrontational Joey.

5. Summer probably was not an "easy" person in some ways. She was independent, savvy, and opinionated, and told it like she saw it with no holds barred. For reasons of her own, she did have her particular sensitivities, and at times perhaps overreacted when they were hurt. She was fiercely protective of her children, and wouldn't have hesitated to fight Tarzan, all 115 pounds of her, if he threatened them. Someone like Chase, whom she disliked and mistrusted from Day One, would have bristled big time dealing with a female like that. As Force Ten has also pointed out, Merritt, and erstwhile author Baker, another winner with women, loved to malign her as much as they could - the veracity of what they were saying didn't matter one bit. In his book "Taken Too Soon," Patrick speaks to the individual she really was. Actually, there's much information in that book.

All FWIW

 

[HelenK]

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[Tortoise]

When CM travelling came up during Sequieda's testimony, it was in regards to CM not being there as much the month prior to the McStay's disappearance IIRC

That's what I'm saying, it could be that he didn't have a passport. I know it could be a renewal passport but it could also be that he had no passport in the months before Feb 2010.

I don't know the dates of his previous incarcerations to work out if it's likely he had a passport that expired.

Edited to add - I've just seen the posts with the dates of his time in prison.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Found out CM is 2x Parolee and he couldn't legally own one, but that never stops the bad guys.

I find this one of the most revealing post I've read. Thank you.

Imo it is a very important piece of information because it furthers he had motive to murder.

He would know without a doubt if Joey or even Summer reported to the authorities that Merritt was once again committing more felonies it would not go well for him.

Imo he knew if outed by either of them he would go to prison for all long time because of being a habitual felon offender who already had two felony convictions in his criminal past.

Imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have seen so many murder cases over the years and so many were committed because the offender wanted to bury their own dark secrets from ever becoming known.

Imo CM knew JM had finally reached his limit. CMs con game was over and he knew it could land him in big trouble again with the police.

I can even see Joey telling him 'I should have listened to Summer all of the times she tried to tell me you were no good!'

It's true Joey was a very easy going guy who wanted to see the best in others but even easy going people can finally have their fill and when many do realize they have been terribly wronged they can become angry as hornets.

All they have suppressed for so long comes forth like a volcano erupting.

I think Joey let Merritt have it in no uncertain terms and didnt mince words when telling him he was going to report him to the police for all he had done.

Just think Joey had to feel so betrayed, angry, and used by the very man he had helped out of several jams.

Imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think once the state layout the entire evidence it will show and support their theory they were murdered at home.

Now it's just pieces of evidence but the state in CA will be able to link all the CE facts together that far more supports being murdered in their home rather than somewhere else. Imo

We just have to wait for them to enter everything showing why they believe the murder location was their home.

They get their theory based on what all of the evidence shows collectively overall.

Imo

 

[asyousay]

I think once the state layout the entire evidence it will show and support their theory they were murdered at home.

Now it's just pieces of evidence but the state in CA will be able to link all the CE facts together that far more supports being murdered in their home rather than somewhere else. Imo

We just have to wait for them to enter everything showing why they believe the murder location was their home.

They get their theory based on what all of the evidence shows collectively overall.

Imo

I hope so as I’m definitely on the fence that they wasn’t killed in the home.

I also think Chase was intelligent enough to know that killing them in the house would leave too much evidence behind.

If he restrained Joey and had beaten him then Summer and the boys would of willingly left the house with Chase as they would of been to scared not to.

 

[Force Ten]

Many of us have questioned that very thing. It seems so unlikely that the Saudis, of all people, would look upon him favorably. And why him, in particular? We all wanted to see the stamp in his passport. But, my understanding is that there's a paper trail that shows that he did indeed go there. Does anyone know differently?

This might shed some light about whether Merritt went to SA, or not.

Subject: PO for Earth Inspired

Dear Susan,

Again and again we have settled COMPLETE payment INCLUSIVE of the installation supervison (US $4000)
Please refer to the attached Pro-forma invoice from EIP and the PO that we raised in conformity with it
I sent you 2 days ago the proof of payments made to you for the total value of the PO which is US $61,542.25

Trust this is very clear.
In return we hereby strongly claim that Mr. Chase needs to immediately arrive in Riyadh to supervise the assembly and installation of the waterfalls.
I will need to ask our Logistic department book him on the earliest flight as time is extremely critical and the handover is only 4 days away.

Please make sure Mr. Chase sends us his passport copy with the Saudi visa stamped on it.

Regards,

A**** *******
Procurement Manager

Rahage Trading Est.
P O Box 16869 Riyadh 11474
Riyadh Saudi Arabia
Tel.+966 1 477****
Fax.+966 1 476****
Mob.+966 50559****
E Mail: *****@**********.com


Email from Chase to Susan Blake

Thu, June 17, 2010 11:40:25 PM [ No Subject ]

From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: ***blake**@*****.com

Susan, I am trying to get the business at hand out of the way. I do not want joey to have anything negative to come back to. as you know, I have allready taken care of christina martini. And I am in saudi right now trying to take care of these people. when I retyurn, I am planning on trying to take care of all other loose ends. but do me a favor and do not make any commitments on my behalf. you and dan havev successfully screwed up this business beyond repair despite my pleas and then tried to turn the blame on me. so as far as I am concerned, I have no commitment to you. if that sounds harsh, well I suppose it is, but you put me in a position that was at best, uncomfortable, and at worse, unforgivable. I am trying to do what is right by joey, but I have limited resources, thanks to yours and dans inaction as far as sales and business management. if there are any fires that I can sucessfully put out, please let me know and I will try and accomidate, but do not commit for me. I will let you know if whatever you need is possible.

best regards chase

Email from Chase to Cathy Jarvis

just hi

From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: *****[email protected]

just wanted to say I miss you and can’t wait to get home. enough culture for a while. unbelievable. I actually wish you guys could experience this first hand. when they say no middle class in a country, they mean it. here, you are either poor or rich, or a foreigner. well gotta go. love ya chase

Sat, June 19, 2010 8:39:16 AM

just hi From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: cathy jarvis <*****[email protected]> end of the day, got the second feature pretty much done. met a couple taleban today. nice people, unbelievably giving and polite.

love YA CHASE

I can't help but notice all the lowercase lettering.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone have the links to CMs full criminal history? Does he have a juvie record too but that's sealed?

Has he spent several stints in jail for other crimes beyond serving two sentences in prison for the felonies? What felonies was he found guilty of on those two felonies?

If so, what was the individual charges on all of them and does anyone know who his victims were in all of his cases?

Are they same like pattern crimes like he committed against Joey?

Again if so, imo the judge should allow at least his felony crimes because they would show consistent same like crimes.

The judge allowed same like patterns to be entered in Phil Spector's murder trial which was also held in CA.

The jury was allowed to hear from many women he had interacted with over the years showing a pattern of abuse and relecklessness by threatening some of them with a firearm. No prior charges had ever been filed against him concerning any of the women who testified for the state. The judge allowed it citing case law that allows for same like pattern prior acts to come in.

Since so much of this case centers around CMs criminal financial activity concerning Joey's business and both sides have already mentioned it I don't see why consistent prior bad acts should be excluded.

Jmo though

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone have the links to CMs full criminal history? Does he have a juvie record too but that's sealed?

Has he spent several stints in jail for other crimes beyond serving two sentences in prison for the felonies? What felonies was he found guilty of on those two felonies?

If so, what was the individual charges on all of them and does anyone know who his victims were in all of his cases?

Are they same like pattern crimes like he committed against Joey?

Again if so, imo the judge should allow at least his felony crimes because they would show consistent same like crimes.

The judge allowed same like patterns to be entered in Phil Spector's murder trial which was also held in CA.

The jury was allowed to hear from many women he had interacted with over the years showing a pattern of abuse and relecklessness by threatening some of them with a firearm. No prior charges had ever been filed against him concerning any of the women who testified for the state. The judge allowed it citing case law that allows for same like pattern prior acts to come in.

Since so much of this case centers around CMs criminal financial activity concerning Joey's business and both sides have already mentioned it I don't see why consistent prior bad acts should be excluded.

Jmo though

 

[asyousay]

Does anyone have the links to CMs full criminal history? Does he have a juvie record too but that's sealed?

Has he spent several stints in jail for other crimes beyond serving two sentences in prison for the felonies? What felonies was he found guilty of on those two felonies?

If so, what was the individual charges on all of them and does anyone know who his victims were in all of his cases?

Are they same like pattern crimes like he committed against Joey?

Again if so, imo the judge should allow at least his felony crimes because they would show consistent same like crimes.

The judge allowed same like patterns to be entered in Phil Spector's murder trial which was also held in CA.

The jury was allowed to hear from many women he had interacted with over the years showing a pattern of abuse and relecklessness by threatening some of them with a firearm. No prior charges had ever been filed against him concerning any of the women who testified for the state. The judge allowed it citing case law that allows for same like pattern prior acts to come in.

Since so much of this case centers around CMs criminal financial activity concerning Joey's business and both sides have already mentioned it I don't see why consistent prior bad acts should be excluded.

Jmo though

Here you go this lists his criminal past

McStay murder mystery: Who is Chase Merritt?

 

[Bernina]

How could CM get a passport anyway, wasn't he on parole?

 

[Force Ten]

Does anyone have the links to CMs full criminal history? Does he have a juvie record too but that's sealed?

Has he spent several stints in jail for other crimes beyond serving two sentences in prison for the felonies? What felonies was he found guilty of on those two felonies?

If so, what was the individual charges on all of them and does anyone know who his victims were in all of his cases?

Are they same like pattern crimes like he committed against Joey?

Again if so, imo the judge should allow at least his felony crimes because they would show consistent same like crimes.

The judge allowed same like patterns to be entered in Phil Spector's murder trial which was also held in CA.

The jury was allowed to hear from many women he had interacted with over the years showing a pattern of abuse and relecklessness by threatening some of them with a firearm. No prior charges had ever been filed against him concerning any of the women who testified for the state. The judge allowed it citing case law that allows for same like pattern prior acts to come in.

Since so much of this case centers around CMs criminal financial activity concerning Joey's business and both sides have already mentioned it I don't see why consistent prior bad acts should be excluded.

Jmo though

This doesn't include his 3 month stint in jail in early 2009.

 

[missy1974]

Does anyone have the links to CMs full criminal history? Does he have a juvie record too but that's sealed?

Has he spent several stints in jail for other crimes beyond serving two sentences in prison for the felonies? What felonies was he found guilty of on those two felonies?

If so, what was the individual charges on all of them and does anyone know who his victims were in all of his cases?

Are they same like pattern crimes like he committed against Joey?

Again if so, imo the judge should allow at least his felony crimes because they would show consistent same like crimes.

The judge allowed same like patterns to be entered in Phil Spector's murder trial which was also held in CA.

The jury was allowed to hear from many women he had interacted with over the years showing a pattern of abuse and relecklessness by threatening some of them with a firearm. No prior charges had ever been filed against him concerning any of the women who testified for the state. The judge allowed it citing case law that allows for same like pattern prior acts to come in.

Since so much of this case centers around CMs criminal financial activity concerning Joey's business and both sides have already mentioned it I don't see why consistent prior bad acts should be excluded.

Jmo though

I would agree, but from what I see, he doesn't have any charges of violence, or murder. He hasn't been charged with anything relating to the finances, fraud, theft, burglary or anything like that. It might go towards motive, but then I wonder why they didn't charge him with those crimes as well. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This might shed some light about whether Merritt went to SA, or not.

Subject: PO for Earth Inspired

Dear Susan,

Again and again we have settled COMPLETE payment INCLUSIVE of the installation supervison (US $4000)
Please refer to the attached Pro-forma invoice from EIP and the PO that we raised in conformity with it
I sent you 2 days ago the proof of payments made to you for the total value of the PO which is US $61,542.25

Trust this is very clear.
In return we hereby strongly claim that Mr. Chase needs to immediately arrive in Riyadh to supervise the assembly and installation of the waterfalls.
I will need to ask our Logistic department book him on the earliest flight as time is extremely critical and the handover is only 4 days away.

Please make sure Mr. Chase sends us his passport copy with the Saudi visa stamped on it.

Regards,

A**** *******
Procurement Manager

Rahage Trading Est.
P O Box 16869 Riyadh 11474
Riyadh Saudi Arabia
Tel.+966 1 477****
Fax.+966 1 476****
Mob.+966 50559****
E Mail: *****@**********.com


Email from Chase to Susan Blake

Thu, June 17, 2010 11:40:25 PM [ No Subject ]

From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: ***blake**@*****.com

Susan, I am trying to get the business at hand out of the way. I do not want joey to have anything negative to come back to. as you know, I have allready taken care of christina martini. And I am in saudi right now trying to take care of these people. when I retyurn, I am planning on trying to take care of all other loose ends. but do me a favor and do not make any commitments on my behalf. you and dan havev successfully screwed up this business beyond repair despite my pleas and then tried to turn the blame on me. so as far as I am concerned, I have no commitment to you. if that sounds harsh, well I suppose it is, but you put me in a position that was at best, uncomfortable, and at worse, unforgivable. I am trying to do what is right by joey, but I have limited resources, thanks to yours and dans inaction as far as sales and business management. if there are any fires that I can sucessfully put out, please let me know and I will try and accomidate, but do not commit for me. I will let you know if whatever you need is possible.

best regards chase

Email from Chase to Cathy Jarvis

just hi

From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: *****[email protected]

just wanted to say I miss you and can’t wait to get home. enough culture for a while. unbelievable. I actually wish you guys could experience this first hand. when they say no middle class in a country, they mean it. here, you are either poor or rich, or a foreigner. well gotta go. love ya chase

Sat, June 19, 2010 8:39:16 AM

just hi From: chase merritt <[email protected]>

To: cathy jarvis <*****[email protected]> end of the day, got the second feature pretty much done. met a couple taleban today. nice people, unbelievably giving and polite.

love YA CHASE

I can't help but notice all the lowercase lettering.

Me too.

Has it ever been confirmed CM was in SA when he wrote the emails?

Tia

 

[missy1974]

How could CM get a passport anyway, wasn't he on parole?

From the email Force Ten posted, he not only had to have a passport, he needed a Saudi visa, so they must have approved it considering he was there.

ETA: I'm resisting the urge to google how to get a visa to Saudi Arabia

 

[gogrannypop]

From the email Force Ten posted, he not only had to have a passport, he needed a Saudi visa, so they must have approved it considering he was there.

ETA: I'm resisting the urge to google how to get a visa to Saudi Arabia

Here you go

Saudi Arabia Visa Application and Requirements | CIBTvisas

 

[Cricket28]

Some musings and questions -

1. I've had the same thought as Force Ten about Gianni's backpack being found in one of the graves, and the claim that the family was murdered in their home. As much as the little tyke loved his backpack, would he have been wearing it at home, in the evening, when the family presumably was settling down for the night? Would he have been wearing it when he was murdered, and carried away from there to be buried in the desert?

2. Some posters have questioned whether the meeting at Chic-Fil-A actually took place, although I believe it has been verified by LE. Patrick talked to Joey that day about 10:30 a.m., and Joey told him everything was fine. Wouldn't it logically follow that he told him about meeting with Chase that same day?

3. The 8:30 p.m. phone call that Chase claims he didn't pick up - Patrick has said when he talked with Chase some time afterwards, Chase told him he did answer that call. "But when Patrick McStay asked about the call, Merritt said it was a follow-up to their conversation at lunch." Time the enemy in solving McStay family killings - CNN

4. I think Patrick initially had a more or less favorable impression of Chase, probably because Joey seemed to like him a lot. However, the bloom went off of that rose when Gina Watson examined their financials in earnest, and saw very clearly early on that Chase was bad news. She warned Joey then about Chase, but he more or less brushed off what she said. "Don't worry, he'll be fine." Give the guy a chance, non-confrontational Joey.

5. Summer probably was not an "easy" person in some ways. She was independent, savvy, and opinionated, and told it like she saw it with no holds barred. For reasons of her own, she did have her particular sensitivities, and at times perhaps overreacted when they were hurt. She was fiercely protective of her children, and wouldn't have hesitated to fight Tarzan, all 115 pounds of her, if he threatened them. Someone like Chase, whom she disliked and mistrusted from Day One, would have bristled big time dealing with a female like that. As Force Ten has also pointed out, Merritt, and erstwhile author Baker, another winner with women, loved to malign her as much as they could - the veracity of what they were saying didn't matter one bit. In his book "Taken Too Soon," Patrick speaks to the individual she really was. Actually, there's much information in that book.

All FWIW

Hello. I have been following this case since they disappeared in Feb. 2010. I am SO GLAD the trial is finally here. I just wanted to comment on the last call from Joey to Chase on the night of the 4th. According to testimony from the preliminary hearing Chase's phone was off from 5:48 pm until 9:32 pm. Chase has said he answered it and they talked business. He also said he looked at it and didn't answer because he was watching a movie with his "wife" (and various other stories). All lies. Why lie if you're not hiding something?

 

[gogrannypop]

Welcome to WS Cricket28

 

[Tortoise]

Hi and welcome Cricket28!

Indeed. When did he even 'find out' about that call - ie. when was that information released?

"The defendant’s cell phone does not register a call during that time period" : Opening Speech