CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #4

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  • #281
6 hours????? geesh, I didn't think he needed that much time. And that's not including how he got back? I was thinking a few hours. I need to go see if we know where his phone pinged at 7 that morning.

I have to go visit my friend google maps lol
So if I plan a route of

Azusa - Corona - San Ysidro - Corona on google maps I get total 250 miles / 4 hours. = avg. 62 mph

7.30 am to 1.30 pm is 6 hours so that leaves him 2 hours for

30 mins drive to Azusa from home
30 minutes meeting with Carmen to hand over the cheques and talk about Joey missing
1 hour rest break perhaps hire a truck which he leaves in Corona.
 
  • #282
There is no other cell data overlapping the 4:25, so we just don't know yet...

It could be that the 4:25 is wrong?
Thanks for this snapshot!! I forgot that the record they were showing in court reflected the towers the phone was pinging. So we know he was in Fallbrook as early as 4:18 when he's talking to Chase. That was for 3 minutes. It is possible the call got dropped and was temporarily out of contact with the tower when the landline call came through at 4:25. He checks VM at 4:27 (4 min)and 4:31 (2 min - Summer VM?). The 4 minute VM is from another missed call. I wonder who it was. Who would leave a 4 min VM??
 
  • #283
RSBM He checks VM at 4:27 (4 min)and 4:31 (2 min - Summer VM?). The 4 minute VM is from another missed call. I wonder who it was. Who would leave a 4 min VM??

4 min VM sounds like a likely pocket dial.
 
  • #284
So if I plan a route of

Azusa - Corona - San Ysidro - Corona on google maps I get total 250 miles / 4 hours. = avg. 62 mph

7.30 am to 1.30 pm is 6 hours so that leaves him 2 hours for

30 mins drive to Azusa from home
30 minutes meeting with Carmen to hand over the cheques and talk about Joey missing
1 hour rest break perhaps hire a truck which he leaves in Corona.
So if I plan a route of

Azusa - Corona - San Ysidro - Corona on google maps I get total 250 miles / 4 hours. = avg. 62 mph

7.30 am to 1.30 pm is 6 hours so that leaves him 2 hours for

30 mins drive to Azusa from home
30 minutes meeting with Carmen to hand over the cheques and talk about Joey missing
1 hour rest break perhaps hire a truck which he leaves in Corona.

So he would have enough time, assuming he left right around that 7:30 mark. My only worry is this...

Add another 15 minutes to get to the border. I drive monthly from Fallbrook to the san San Diego airport. On a good day, it takes me 1.05 hours. On a bad day, up to 3 hours in either direction.

There is no way to know the traffic in that area that day, at least I don't think. @KALI are there days or times that are just known to be good/bad for travelling down there?

@Tortoise On another note... did Carmen say the handing over of the cheques was after she talked to him about Joey not getting back to her? I'm just wondering, if she got the cheques, would she have been worried about Joey not getting back to her, if that was what she was looking for?
 
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Cathy Russon on Twitter
Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 2h2 hours ago
#McStay - Jury sent out for afternoon recess. Attorneys now argue about testimony next week of Ryan Baker, Quickbooks Customer Service. Def got notice this morning that Baker would need to be called Tues - the next time court will be in session - def says not enough notice

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 40m40 minutes ago
#McStay - Prosecutor Sean Daugherty asks T-mobile witness about Dan Kavanaugh phone records. He said San Bernardino sent search warrant request 12/27/13. Daugherty asks about an 858 area code number on there, then says "Do you know the area code in Hawaii". (it's not 858)

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 34m34 minutes ago
#McStay - Daugherty then asks if there's an 808 area code and does he know where that is, witness says no. (808 is Hawaii but it wasn't shown/talked about if there was that area code on Kavanaugh's record) Witness dismissed.

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 32m32 minutes ago
#McStay - Next witness is custodian of records from AT&T, David Lipnitzky. He has the records for Catherine Jarvice - Charles Merritt's girlfriend at the time.

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 28m28 minutes ago
We know from previous testimony that this At&T phone number registered to Jarvis was Merritt's phone. Lipnitzky testifies no cell activity from 9:32pm the night of Feb 4 to 7am Feb. 5.

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 25m25 minutes ago
At&T Merritt phone records: NO call on this record of the Feb 4th 8:28pm call from Joseph's phone to Merritt's. When asked if he could explain that if another carrier showed a call placed to this number at that time the rep said he could not.

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 20m20 minutes ago
Under cross McGee asks At&T rep if he is familiar with the cell tower data. He said that's not his area of expertise, but At&T does keep those types of records.

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Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 14m14 minutes ago
#McStay - Jury is excused until WEDNESDAY, Feb 6. Pre-scheduled dark day on Monday. On Tuesday, the 5th, attorneys and judge will meeting late morning to discuss testimony from Ryan Baker, QuickBooks customer service rep and possibly take his video testimony that afternoon


If you make a call from your cell phone in the states, doesn't the area code of where you got your phone show up? I guess what I'm asking is, if your cell is registered to a certain area code, it doesn't matter where you are, the area code would be the same no matter where you are calling from, right? So Dan could be in Hawaii, make a call, and the area code wouldn't change. I'm not quite sure what this question from the DA means.
 
  • #286
Thanks for this snapshot!! I forgot that the record they were showing in court reflected the towers the phone was pinging. So we know he was in Fallbrook as early as 4:18 when he's talking to Chase. That was for 3 minutes. It is possible the call got dropped and was temporarily out of contact with the tower when the landline call came through at 4:25. He checks VM at 4:27 (4 min)and 4:31 (2 min - Summer VM?). The 4 minute VM is from another missed call. I wonder who it was. Who would leave a 4 min VM??

If his phone was out of tower range, wouldn't it have come up like Chases did? A VM but not connected to a tower? The 4 minute voicemail retrieval.... and then 2 minute retrieval... there is no way to know if he had saved messages that he was listening to IMO.

I wonder though... if he is on the phone, which he was a lot, if someone else calls him... would it have just been busy? or would it have gone to VM? and how would that show on the phone records hmmmm lol

Right now, I'm thinking that the house call might be wrong? Where did we get that info from?
 
  • #287
Yeah, a fully bogus story but not intentional. That was really a strange thing, including the date exact or almost exact of the day the remains were discovered IIRC.

@fridaybaker, I know you've been around since the early days, I wonder where all the old stalwarts @liz b., @OldSteve, @McSpy, @white rabbit, @panthera, @krista, @Nancy2441, @TLS51, @Woe.be.gone, @SherlockKittyCat , @TerriM, @gitana1, @tripleB, @Illuminada, @Isabellnecessary, @Seajay and @bessie??? So many had invaluable input over the years and sadly I don't see many around that had followed this case from the beginning.
Yes, I've mentioned this heretofore. It puzzles me no end that so many Websleuthers, who had posted year after year from the very beginning of the family's disappearance, are nowhere to be found. But, I guess they have their reasons -
 
  • #288
Do you guys remember that footage when he was arrested and shuffled into the courthouse/police station in shackles. He had been sweating profusely and was quiet and head down. Now tell me this, if someone had just arrested you wrongly for killing your best mate and family would that be your behaviour on arrest? No, you’d be mortified and yelling your innocence at the cameras and from the roof tops, not shuffling into court head down. That’s when I knew he was 100 percent guilty.
Absolutely. I thought and said the very same thing at the time.
 
  • #289
Transcribed:

Daugherty: You were asked some questions on Tuesday about the last known contact…um, on contact for Joseph…with…for Joseph Mcstay. Do you recall that line of questioning?
Smith: I do.
Daugherty: Okay and the line of questioning was in regards to the information you had was the last time Joseph Mcstay contacted anyone.
Smith: Correct.
Daugherty: And in your answer you indicated his last known cell phone contact.
Smith: Yes sir.
Daugherty: Um…..would that be the last contact he had, with anyone?
Smith: No…
Daugherty: Explain, please.
Smith: The last person the family contacted was….the killer.


Was this really a big deal? He doesn't say who the killer was. I'm not really sure he said anything here that anyone wouldn't know.
 
  • #290
If you make a call from your cell phone in the states, doesn't the area code of where you got your phone show up? I guess what I'm asking is, if your cell is registered to a certain area code, it doesn't matter where you are, the area code would be the same no matter where you are calling from, right? So Dan could be in Hawaii, make a call, and the area code wouldn't change. I'm not quite sure what this question from the DA means.

Yes. This is just my opinion... Daugherty kinda screwed up there LOL I think he thought in that moment that 858 was Hawaii ... before he asked about the 808, he walked back over to their side of the table and the female prosecutor (sorry, I still don't know her name lol), was whispering in his ear, he came back and asked if he knew where 808 is. They are very similar area codes, so I can see why in the moment he asked that. I don't think there was any harm done though.
 
  • #291
So if I plan a route of

Azusa - Corona - San Ysidro - Corona on google maps I get total 250 miles / 4 hours. = avg. 62 mph

7.30 am to 1.30 pm is 6 hours so that leaves him 2 hours for

30 mins drive to Azusa from home
30 minutes meeting with Carmen to hand over the cheques and talk about Joey missing
1 hour rest break perhaps hire a truck which he leaves in Corona.

How long does it take to get to San Ysidro?
 
  • #292
Yes. This is just my opinion... Daugherty kinda screwed up there LOL I think he thought in that moment that 858 was Hawaii ... before he asked about the 808, he walked back over to their side of the table and the female prosecutor (sorry, I still don't know her name lol), was whispering in his ear, he came back and asked if he knew where 808 is. They are very similar area codes, so I can see why in the moment he asked that. I don't think there was any harm done though.

Yeah. That's what I thought too. I didn't get that at all.
 
  • #293
If you make a call from your cell phone in the states, doesn't the area code of where you got your phone show up? I guess what I'm asking is, if your cell is registered to a certain area code, it doesn't matter where you are, the area code would be the same no matter where you are calling from, right? So Dan could be in Hawaii, make a call, and the area code wouldn't change. I'm not quite sure what this question from the DA means.
Yes it stays the same no matter where you are.
 
  • #294
Ocean: Welcome to my world! We are are on the same page here, as you kindly pointed out regarding my little outburst about the injustice of it all. All that's left of this family is a pile of bones. I think people these days are somewhat inured to the horror of such things for many reasons, but it's beyond frustrating to me to see those bones versus Chase Merritt, who has all the opportunity in the world to postpone, postpone, postpone; then show up in court and play on the jurors' emotions; have his attorney object to anything and everything, which certainly disrupts the process, sows "unreasonable doubt" in the minds of the jurors, etc. Such a game.

A trial spanning months and months, complete with three-day weekends, holidays, various and sundry other days off, can only make all the minutiae even more muddled for the jury. Congratulations, Chase Merritt! If you are convicted of making faces at the McStays, it will be a miracle!

Friday, I read this post when you first wrote it, but since then I've been unable to get it out of my mind all day.

So I did some soul searching of my own. It reminded me of how I was duped one time into believing what had been tweeted throughout another trial.

The negative online comments made about the prosecutor's performance didn't help matters either.

As embarrassing as it is to admit, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker already resigning myself into believing prematurely that justice would not be served for the victim.

I certainly couldn't use the excuse that I was just a novice about criminal trials since I had been closely following criminal trials for around 30 years at that time.

It was a new method at the time for trials that were done by tweets at the time. So I knew I had to adjust, and become familiar with methods that were different from what I had always known.

However, I did notice at the time that the courtroom tweeter seem to quote the points made by the defense the majority of time.

At the time I thought that was just normal, and because I wasn't familiar with tweeted trials back then.

Anyway, to say the least when the verdict came back in very quickly, and it was guilty, I was totally shocked but pleased of course.

Iirc, I was posting over on IS at the time. Most were highly upset thinking the tweeter had purposefully mislead everyone.

We later found out she was close friends with the defense, which later explained why the majority of tweets I had seen were of the defense.

I promised myself then I wouldn't ever be swayed by tweets or negative online comments, yet once again I seem to have fallen for it in this trial, and I feel so ashamed. I should have known better.

I don't know if you have listened/watched every bit of trial testimony done in real time without any editing.

I have not. I did try my best to endure it the first three days of testimony, but I found it impossible due to the style of these defense attorneys who waste so much time on long highly unnecessary cross examinations.

Since then I have relied solely on tweets, and summaries posted here.

THEN Tortoise was kind enough to transcribe actual word for word testimony which I'm extremely grateful. It opened my eyes and mind to how much I had really missed.

At least for me I know I have made a mistake by doing so.

Therefore, I will keep the faith that this jury will do the right thing, and justice will be served for the McStay family, and their love ones.

I will continue to believe this until I know otherwise which will be at the end of this case, and not a minute before.

I truly believe jurors are logical, and reasonable minded people.

So I will end with this by quoting Rick Distaso again during his closing in Scott Peterson's death penalty murder trial for it absolutely applies to CMs murder case as well.

Imo, it will all come down to this in the end after all of the evidence has been entered against CM..

'How many coincidences are you willing to believe, and still be able to call yourself reasonable people?'

Take care, and please keep the faith.

Ocean
 
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  • #295
Yes, I've mentioned this heretofore. It puzzles me no end that so many Websleuthers, who had posted year after year from the very beginning of the family's disappearance, are nowhere to be found. But, I guess they have their reasons -

Not directed just at you but <midsnip> didn't some of those posters still believe that CM didn't do this? even after his arrest?

When reading in the old threads, there were still quite a few that were sceptical, so I am just curious. I can't recall who thought what now lol
 
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The detectives ruled out Kavanaugh because the evidence led them to Merritt the snake. A handshake to explain his DNA on the steering wheel. :D - if that was the case his DNA would be on the car key and the inside and outside door handles too because Joey must have touched those first. So Joey must have wiped down the door handles! The case Kavanaugh did it is what I call the Desperate Dan defense. Smoke and mirrors. That is why they invented a knife - to fit with their witness to his confession. That is laughable IMO. So the murderer buried the hammer and everything else but he loved his knife so much he couldn't bring himself to leave it in the grave. bbm
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MOO
Because the cameraman decided to take off when Maline was giving his part of the defense's OS, I am unsure of what exactly he said with regard to the knife, but my understanding is that it was found in the grave. Is this not accurate? It is important, because there was no mention of a knife involved in this crime up until the defense's OS.
 
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  • #298
Was this really a big deal? He doesn't say who the killer was. I'm not really sure he said anything here that anyone wouldn't know.
Yes it sort of taints the jury. Even though he is charged with murder, he has yet to be proven "the killer".
 
  • #299
@Tortoise On another note... did Carmen say the handing over of the cheques was after she talked to him about Joey not getting back to her? I'm just wondering, if she got the cheques, would she have been worried about Joey not getting back to her, if that was what she was looking for?

Carmen didn't know for sure if he took them in on the Monday or the Tuesday.

13.38 in video
P: Now at some point do you recall receiving a couple of cheques around the time the McStay family went missing, from the defendant?
CG: Yes.
P: (deals with identifying the cheques - skip ahead to 15.07) Now both of these cheques were written with a date of February 4th 2010, do you see that?
CG: Mhm.
P: Do you recall when you actually received these cheques?
CG: It would have been maybe Monday or Tuesday of the following week.
P: Because if you look at the calendar next to you February 4th...
CG: Was a Thursday.
P: Ok. So you believe that you received those cheques possibly on Friday 5th?
CG: No, no no it would be Monday.
P: Monday?
CG: Yes cos I don't, I don't recall seeing Chase on that Friday because that Monday is my question about our inability to get in touch with Joseph.
P: Ok so you believe that you received those cheques on the 8th?
CG: Monday or Tuesday.

 
  • #300
From where?
From Azusa or from Chase's home. The timeline outlined looks interesting, but I'm not sure how San Ysidro comes into it.

Is it thought Chase went to Azusa first thing in the morning? Or after he goes to San Ysidro.
 
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