CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[Edmo]

So those are the only shoes the McStays owned?

Who knows?

 

[JMarsh]

HOW does CM "round up" SM & JM w/o one of them yelling, running for help etc?

Maybe he didn't.

 

[asyousay]

HOW does CM "round up" SM & JM w/o one of them yelling, running for help etc?

He rounds up Joey as he is the only threat and Summer goes willingly due to the kids.

 

[Edmo]

hmmm

After deliberating since Wednesday, the six-man, six-woman jury in Martinez convicted Dyleski of all the charges against him: first-degree murder, burglary, a special-circumstance allegation charging that the teen committed murder during the course of a residential burglary and an enhancement for using a bludgeoning instrument.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jury-convicts-Dyleski-of-murder-Lafayette-teen-2470391.php

From what little I just read, the burglary was part of the credit card fraud as nothing was taken to the house when he killed her. So they did charge him will offenses related to that. I don't have the time or energy today to look much further into it though lol

Burglary in Ca means to "enter" home/business with the intent to steal, OR commit ANY other Felony.

 

[Edmo]

He rounds up Joey as he is the only threat and Summer goes willingly due to the kids.

NO WAY, after we KNOW SM did not like/trust CM, no way.

 

[missy1974]

IMO the how and where doesn't matter - it was achieved by someone.

This isn't entirely true though IMO If the how and where was say 7:55pm on Feb 4th... and it was not in the McStay home, that does matter when they are saying it was absolutely Chase in the house at that time. JMO

 

[JMarsh]

This isn't entirely true though IMO If the how and where was say 7:55pm on Feb 4th... and it was not in the McStay home, that does matter when they are saying it was absolutely Chase in the house at that time. JMO

Where and when everything happened is essential to the state's case.

 

[JMarsh]

Who knows?

Exactly. No one. The family could have left that home, driven the Trooper to the border, entered the Sunset Buffet and no one saw them again until they turn up in the desert.

Or they could have been lured somewhere...

Or they could have done any number of things.

 

[asyousay]

NO WAY, after we KNOW SM did not like/trust CM, no way.

I am confused you think Summer could physically take on Chase ?

I am afraid I don’t buy Summer who is abut 5ft and about 6 stone lighter than Chase take him on in a fight!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They found items in the grave sites that CAME from their home. Blue Tape, Material & Hammer with paint on it.

I agree.

Imo what has been entered to date does support the state's theory that they were all murdered in their home.

The gravesites yielded quite of a lot of evidence supporting they were all murdered inside of their home so I can definitely understand why the state is of this belief.

It's all based on the supporting evidence. I think most of the jurors will agree once they are allowed to look at all of the evidence in its totality.

Imo, no other location lines up with anything else based on all of the evidence thus far..

Unforunately, sometimes ALL of the luck seems to be on the side of the murderer. In this case it was bungled from the start by the prior police who believed this was only a missing persons case, and not that all of them had been killed in cold blood in that home.

This isn't the only case where blood evidence wasn't found or where no physical evidence was left behind by the killer. It has happened before, even though LE was sure it had happened inside of the home.

The sad reality is if the biker hadn't gone into the area when he did, this would more than likely would have remained a case where LE assumed all of them left willingly.

At least that was finally discounted, and the truth came forward instead at long last.

Being a very spiritual person myself with deep faith, I believe it was divine intervention that lead the biker to the right area that day.

I knew once they were finally discovered, one day they would also discover who had done this to them. It was just a matter of time.

No one lost more than Joey, Summer,and their precious little boys, along with Joey's oldest son who was robbed of a very loving father. I often think of Jonah, and it makes me so sad.

CM not only took their lives from them, he destroyed all the wonderful things that were happening in their lives at the same time.

A once in a lifetime opportunity had come true where Joey knew he would be able to fully support all of them, and be able to send his three sons to a very good college when they became of age.

It really is such a heartbreaking tragedy in so many ways.

To be on the top of the world one minute, and then all of them discarded in the desert like pieces of trash is gutwrenching to even think about.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

It would be so much more complicated for them to try him for all of those minor charges, at the same time. This case is already going to go on for 6 months. How long would it be if they added in all of the fraud/theft charges too? It would be hella confusing too.

They are going through all the financials anyway... it would not have taken any extra time at all IMO

 

[katydid23]

I'm not saying separate charges, or charges prior to the murder charge. I'm talking about charges in conjunction with the murder charge. If someone commits murder during a robbery, do they get charged for robbery and murder? Or do they drop the robbery and go for the bigger crime of murder? Or when someone kidnaps and murders someone, they don't drop the kidnapping charge just because murder is the bigger charge. Once they 'put it all together', which was about a year after the bodies were found, they charged him with 4 counts of murder. If the theft/forgery was the motive, I don't know why they wouldn't want to charge him with that as well. I usually only see charges being dropped or not being charged with crimes that they don't think they can prove, so the fact that they didn't charge him does give me pause, especially considering his past criminal record. JMO

That may be how things are done by out Great Northern Neighbors, , but that's not how things are charged in California. It is quite common for the DA to drop the petty/minor charges if they are trying a Capitol Murder case.

They do not want to wind up in the weeds, arguing about meth possession, or misdemeanor theft, when they have much bigger issues to argue. It is irrelevant to the greater task at hand.

And you may be correct--it might be difficult to prove that Joey didn't give permission to write those checks, in order to convict on fraud charges. All of the potential witnesses were dead and buried. It is just common sense that tells us that the timing and the past history and circumstances make it look unlikely.

But one thing those checks do tell us is that Chase was in the McStay home at 7:56 pm on the 4th of February. That is crucial information, imo.

 

[JMarsh]

But one thing those checks do tell us is that Chase was in the McStay home at 7:56 pm on the 4th of February. That is crucial information, imo.

bbm

How? How does it tell us this?

 

[katydid23]

They are going through all the financials anyway... it would not have taken any extra time at all IMO

Sure it would. They are going through them to set the scene and explain motive. That is much different than proving each point in order to get a conviction on each charge of fraud and theft.

 

[Edmo]

I am confused you think Summer could physically take on Chase ?

I am afraid I don’t buy Summer who is abut 5ft and about 6 stone lighter than Chase take him on in a fight!!

No, she could run/scream for help once outside.

 

[asyousay]

No, she could run/scream for help once outside.

So Chase has her children at knife point ( a example) and you think she would take such a risk with her babies?

 

[Longtimenoc]

But where is the evidence of this? It's wonderful to spitball creative possibilities but at some point some evidence has to exist that any of this

There are pairs of shoes shown on video at their front door (outside).

No shoes found in graves

 

[Edmo]

So Chase has her children at knife point ( a example) and you think she would take such a risk with her babies?

Since we KNOW she hated him, absolutely,

 

[JMarsh]

No shoes found in graves

So the killers couldn't have discarded the shoes elsewhere? There is some kind of gravitational force at play preventing this?

Shoes can be removed. Maybe, like the Google phones, they were placed somewhere else.

 

[Longtimenoc]

He rounds up Joey as he is the only threat and Summer goes willingly due to the kids.

It appears that JM was the only one with defensive wounds but we may never know

 

[Edmo]

So the killers couldn't have discarded the shoes elsewhere? There is some kind of gravitational force at play preventing this?

Shoes can be removed. Maybe, like the Google phones, they were placed somewhere else.

Someone asked "why" shoes weren't found in the graves. I simply stated a FACT that THERE ARE shoes located outside their front door. Infer whatever ya want.